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theoneandonlyfat

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im having trouble with my extractions...i always getting a sticky orange oil instead of nice white xtals.
i start with a kilo of bark.
i do 3 acid cooks for 45 mins at ph of 3. after combining the pulls i have about 12litres of solution which i reduced down to 3.5litres. I then basify this to ph 13...then do 3 pulls with 1/3 litre of shellite. evap shellite down to about 200mls then i froze half end evap'd other half.

Ive done this many times and i never get xtals first go. if a re dissovle the oil in a small amount of naptha then decant to another dish, i can sperate the white xtals from the orange goo, but still allways end up with about 50% oil.

Can anyone tell me why so much oil is pulled????? This oil is still just as potent as pure white spice but not as smooth to smoke.
 
SWIY is using plant material that is much different then mimosa. The plant probably contains other compounds that are being extracted along with spice. Sometimes this can't be avoided. Mimosa happens to be a SIMPLE plant to extract from. Luckily as most isolation is more complex.

ANyway try doing a sodium carbonate wash on SWIY's non polar solvent before evaporating.
 
make sure if you are using acacia to use a nice strong acid, im guessing you used vinegar? that ish usually brings you some oily goo..

opt for some HCl or sulfuric if you can, something stronger and cleaner.. its alot easier and less work.. and not as messy.
 
Do a double A/B extraction like the lex tek. This way you acid cook, basify then pull with shellite. Then add acid/water again and mix. This converts the freebase to a salt again in the water and leaves the plant oils in the shellite. Take the acid/water and get rid of shellite. Basify and pull with shellite again. If you are working with really oily stuff you can repeat this again if you like. Then freeze precip and whalla, nice clean crystals. I always like to redissolve in shellite and grow some nice big crystals. hope this helps.
 
Make sure your bark is finely ground, as far as acids go phosphoric > hydrochloric > acetic > sulfuric. Use phosphoric for sure. If swiy is using acacias white crystals are still the norm not orange goop minosa isn't special its just prepackaged for lazy lazy people. Don't evap off all the shellite because what you're left with is the spice and all the oils from the plant, hence it looks like shit. Preeze precipitate and you will get nice white spice no problem. The other possibility is your bark source may just be extremely high in dmt n-oxide, but try it this way first. Even if it is n-oxide is still good to smoke, just harder to measure and deal with.
 
i was using HCL so that wasn't the prob. Also did a sodium carb wash so that isn't the prob either.
Im thinking it's either like mumbles said and the bark is high in dmt oxide. Found a new forest full of obtus today so will try that bark see if it's any better.

The only other thing i can think of is that i may be keeping the basified solution/shellite to hot in the water bath..might trying pulling while cold next time.

Thanks for the help
 
Obtusifolia and longifola look extremely similar the only way to tell them apart are the edges of the leaves. One is fairly straight and the other looks like catapillars have gotten to it but thats just the natural shape of the leaf edge. Swim may have been extracting the extremely low yield longifolia. PlantNET - FloraOnline an example of the slightly munched leave edges you'll need to look for. Keeping the shellite hot during extraction is a requirement, spice isnt that soluble in shellite/naptha. Not boiling hot but 50c is ok.
 
Im pretty sure they are obtus. Do longifolia have the red resin on the edges of the leaves??
are you in australia mumbles?? What do you use to powder your bark?
 
heres a few pics. You cant really see in the photos, but most of the leaves have the edges that look like a catapiller chewed them. The leaves are also very rough and thick, with a red resinous egde to the leaves.

These are obtus...right???
 

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Don't try pull while cold! That's definitely obtus. The oils are active by the way, I don't even bother with crystals I simply evap everything and turn my goo (higher yield) into enhanced leaf.
 
So you get oils too? at least it's not just me then.

Ive been doing the same as you...turning the oil into changa but sometimes i find the changa won't dry out and stays sticky...its also hasrher to smoke then changa made with crystals with more of a body load/less visuals.

What kind of yeilds are you getting? Im only getting 2-3grams/kilo
 
Yeah well because the acacias are heavy in oils you'll always get them, like you said you can re-crystallize to get rid of the oils but I find them just as active. It definitely takes quite a while longer to dry but after it has dried properly (a week or 2, or 3??) there's not much of a difference at all, very active! Smoking it when it's wet though will result in less visuals/effects so my best advice is to let that stuff dry dry and dry, I'll usually just leave it in a bowl in my room; just make sure you air dry it and don't leave it in the sun. 2-3grams a kilo is good, what was the height of the tree?
 
You harvested an acacia tree!...Im pretty sure i don't have access to one because i live in Oregon, but what spice containing plants do i have/can grow in Oregon???...The only thing ive thought of is phalaris which contains more than just DMT sooo....
 
2-3 grams a kilo is good? The tree was only about 3m high. I always find hundreds of small ones but fuck all big ones.

The new plot i found has much bigger tree's, i found one thats about 6m.

anyway thanks for the help everyone.
Ill let use know how the 6m tree goes..hopefully a better yeild
 
how do you harvest them?..do you take down the entire tree?..or just harvest part of it and leave the rest to grow?..do you guys plant new trees around as well?
 
Obtus is a very abundant species fractal, like the one said you can find fields of the things growing all around - though big ones are hard to come by.

2-3 for 3m is a great yield, keep at it. Let us know..
 
fractal enchantment said:
how do you harvest them?..do you take down the entire tree?..or just harvest part of it and leave the rest to grow?..do you guys plant new trees around as well?
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I just grab the bark from the bottom and rip it off as high as i can reach.
Theres no need to plant new tree's...when you find them you don't find one...you'lll find hundreds
 
On the topic of oily acacias anyone have any advice on defatting them? Swim seems to end up with a crazy emulsion (granted it was from hardcore stirring) that cant be settled by heat or stirring or salt.
 
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