Hi, I'm glad this place exists. Thank you.

[sutekh_77]

Hi, New guy here.

Thanks to you guys I recently made my first psychedelic concoction: a Mimosa hostilis brew.

I already had some experience drinking traditional Ayahuasca (P. viridis + B. caapi) but I always wanted to make my own stuff, and thanks to the information I gathered lurking this forum everything went super smooth.

I tested for potency using syrian rue seeds as MAOI and it was incredibly active.

I plan to stick around and contribute while gathering more experience with these substances.

Thank you so much for everything so far.

 

[premeditated]

Was there anytime during the trip you felt like you were overwhelmed? In a groovy way, share something funny crazy or profound

 

[sutekh_77]

Yes, this mimosa brew was stronger than I thought it would be. It was my first time with the plant and I got scared, I dind't want to trip that hard that night lol.

Based on my experience with Ayahuasca, oral DMT has the tendency to "sneak" up on you. It start slow and exciting, you feel peace and love but it gets stronger and stronger and you start to feel just like a kid stuck in a carousel. The carousel ride was fun but now you want to get out.

In these moments if I stick around quiet and listen I usually get some "revelation", a insight, a life lesson. But sometimes it's just too much and I get up and go do some mundane thing to distract me. This time I went to watch silly youtube videos to calm down.

Half a hour later I was felling great again, at the end of the night I made the sign of the cross and fist bumped God (it's a stupid thing I do sometime when I'm very high and nobody is watching me )

 

[Tripolation]

Hey sutekh_77,

Those waves of psychedelics can feel like a tsunami sometimes. Wave after wave, learning to swim in an ocean of odd. Hard to swim in that place sometimes, I have had to distract myself in a similar way before, wanting off the ride. Kid stuck on a carousel is great way to put it.

Really glad to you are here.

Welcome!

 

[Pandora]

sutekh_77,

Welcome to the Nexus and well done. I would love to learn more about you and look forward to seeing you around.

 

[TaoistShade]

Would you mind sharing your brewing recipe/technique? doseage etc

 

[Noz]

Cali here.
Having issues with crystals' melting,
I use mimosa hostilis 150 gr., just enough distilled H2o to make it pea soup thickness maybe thinner. into the crock pot for 10 hrs on low. then 6+ hours in freezer. I do this 3x.

 

[sutekh_77]

Would you mind sharing your brewing recipe/technique? doseage etc

Hello TaoistShade.

I brewed 40 grams of MHRB, aiming for 4 doses (10 g for dose).

A Warning: a 10 grams dose of MHRB is SUPER STRONG, half of this is enough for a complete oral DMT experience, if you are beggining to experience oral DMT start with 2~3g, or even lower. Also I use shredded bark, not powdered. The finer the bark the stronger your brew will be.

In a stainless still pot (people say to not use aluminum), I cooked my MHRB in 1600 ml of distilled water + 240 ml of vinegar, for about 3 hours in a very gentle simmer, almost no bubles visible. (400ml of water + 60 ml of vinegar per dose).

I then passed the resulting brew trough sieve and kept it separate, put the bark back on the pot, with more water and move vinegar (same quantity as before). Cooked for another 3 hours. Again, I use a sieve to separate the liquid from the bark and I then repeated this process one more time.

When the third "wash" was done, I discarded the bark, combined the three liquids and pass it through a fine cottom cloth, to get rid of some of the sediment that passed through the sieve.

I let my brew rest until it was at room temperature. Then I used the egg white TEK to clear the brew. I used only one egg white (they say 1 egg white per liter of brew). I put it directly on the brew, whisked until fully combined, then I put the brew back on the stove, and as it begin to warm the egg white formed a pink goo that floated over the top of the liquid and I scooped off using a spoon.

Using the cloth again, I captured every bit of that pink goo and discarded. Then I reduced the final brew (I had about 1L at this moment) to 200ml. Always at low heat, at a very gentle simmer.

It's important to notice that the potency of your final brew is directly proportional to the amount of plant material you use, not the amount of liquid you end up. So before this final reduction I had 1L that could be divided in 4 (four) doses of 250ml (10g/dose, again: THIS IS A SUPER HIGH DOSE, DON'T DRINK IT IF YOU'RE NOT EXPERIENCED). By reducing to 200ml I had now 4 doses of 50ml each, and we do that because it's easier to drink and keep down a small amount of liquid. I could have reduced even more if I want, but you have to be more careful with the dosage.

As I said the resulting brew was very potent. I tested with 1g of syrian rue seeds (grounded and stuffed in gel caps), consumed 25 minutes prior to drinking 20ml of my Mimosa brew. The onset and offset were very quick compared to regular Ayahuasca (about half a hour each) and the whole experience lasted for about 3 hours.

 

[mcgettums]

3 hours in dmt space is absolutely wild to imagine! How would you compare the visual intensity to a heavy dose of fb dmt with eyes open?

 

[sutekh_77]

3 hours in dmt space is absolutely wild to imagine! How would you compare the visual intensity to a heavy dose of fb dmt with eyes open?

I never smoked FB DMT, for what I can gather by comparing my experiences with the trip reports of people that smoke jungle spice or changa, my perspective it's that it's a very different experience from a "regular" Ayahuasca/Oral DMT trip.

With Ayahuasca me and my bros don't experience the intense open eyes visuals, out of the body and otherworldly experiences that most people describe as a "DMT breakthrough". Also the encounters with entities from smokable DMT seem to be very different from those in Ayahuasca. First of all most encounters are not that visual, you just feel their presence or hear their voices, and the visuals associated with these entities are way less mechanic and way more religious in nature (differences in set and setting could explain these differences, but I have my doubts).

Nevertheless, in Ayahuasca religious communities, people sometimes report that kind of experience similar to smokable DMT, especially when you hear of people that "drank too much". I head from one person who drank Ayahuasca only once, and this person fainted during the ceremony due the intensity of the trip, and she had intense visuals/dreams were she was transported to a land of giants made from geometric shapes. Unfortunately, after that she never had the courage to drink Ayahuasca again.

But yes, most of the time they seem to be very different experiences. People accustomed to smoking DMT sometimes report problems with the length of Ayahuasca ceremonies, they can last from 3 to 6 hours (from a single dose) and under the effects of the drink and depending on the trip this can be excruciating. On the other hand people that drink Ayahuasca have problems with the shear intensity of the visuals and the otherworldly nature of a smokable DMT trip.

Like, three hits on a pipe and 30 seconds later you are out of your body talking with machine efs and jesters???

 

[NeitherHere]

Yes, this mimosa brew was stronger than I thought it would be. It was my first time with the plant and I got scared, I dind't want to trip that hard that night lol.

Based on my experience with Ayahuasca, oral DMT has the tendency to "sneak" up on you. It start slow and exciting, you feel peace and love but it gets stronger and stronger and you start to feel just like a kid stuck in a carousel. The carousel ride was fun but now you want to get out.

In these moments if I stick around quiet and listen I usually get some "revelation", a insight, a life lesson. But sometimes it's just too much and I get up and go do some mundane thing to distract me. This time I went to watch silly youtube videos to calm down.

Half a hour later I was felling great again, at the end of the night I made the sign of the cross and fist bumped God (it's a stupid thing I do sometime when I'm very high and nobody is watching me )

lol "Based on my experience with Ayahuasca, oral DMT has the tendency to "sneak" up on you. It start slow and exciting, you feel peace and love but it gets stronger and stronger and you start to feel just like a kid stuck in a carousel. The carousel ride was fun but now you want to get out." this is exactly how LSD felt for me it was always enjoyable but the end always left me questioning when things were gonna go back to normal especially in the morning watching the sunrise

welcome to the nexus, I look forward to seeing you around more. is your main interest in oral administration and direct plant usages? do you grow your own plants?

also - "In a stainless still pot (people say to not use aluminum), I cooked my MHRB in 1600 ml of distilled water + 240 ml of vinegar, for about 3 hours in a very gentle simmer, almost no bubles visible. (400ml of water + 60 ml of vinegar per dose)."

I'm glad you mentioned this in your sharing. you're not suppose to use aluminum when brewing or cooking anything acidic (whether it be vinegar, lime juice, or anything acidic for that matter) because acids can easily corrode aluminum liberating it into the solution. sometimes that metal can end up in your final product even if it doesn't appear like it has. high aluminum content in the body is linked to nasty brain degenerative disorders especially later in life. Soda cans are coated with a plastic film (at least inside) to prevent the phosphoric acid inside from eating the can before it can eat your insides. phosphoric acid is also used in the metal industry ironically to "clean" mild steel of red oxidization in preparation for priming and painting tends to turn the mild steel black with little runs of white crust when it dries.

any ways, thanks for sharing your recipe here. I'm sure the rest of the nexus would love to see this in Ayahuasca

 

[sutekh_77]

Hi NeitherHere

welcome to the nexus, I look forward to seeing you around more. is your main interest in oral administration and direct plant usages? do you grow your own plants?

Thanks. My main interest for now is ayahuasca and it's analogs. I have plans to make extractions in the near future, prabably gonna try making some changa or enchanced leaf to see what is like.

I don't grow my own plants... well my mother like plants and a friend gifted to me 2 Psychotria viridis saplings that I gave it to her. So you can say I kinda tricked my mother in growing chacruna for me, now I just have to "trick" her into growing b. caapi .

any ways, thanks for sharing your recipe here. I'm sure the rest of the nexus would love to see this in Ayahuasca

Yeah, I'll try to take some time to properly and concisely write the recipe and post it on the Ayahuasca Forum. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[blig-blug]

With Ayahuasca me and my bros don't experience the intense open eyes visuals, out of the body and otherworldly experiences that most people describe as a "DMT breakthrough".

Yesterday I had a pharmahuasca experience that was completely out-of-body. I guess my eyes were closed, but for most of it there wasn't really a concept of closing or opening the eyes. Just my two cents, I don't know how it compares to vaporized DMT because I haven't experienced it either.

 

[NeitherHere]

Hi NeitherHere


Thanks. My main interest for now is ayahuasca and it's analogs. I have plans to make extractions in the near future, prabably gonna try making some changa or enchanced leaf to see what is like.

I don't grow my own plants... well my mother like plants and a friend gifted to me 2 Psychotria viridis saplings that I gave it to her. So you can say I kinda tricked my mother in growing chacruna for me, now I just have to "trick" her into growing b. caapi .


Yeah, I'll try to take some time to properly and concisely write the recipe and post it on the Ayahuasca Forum. Thanks for the suggestion.

I know it's totally counter intuitive but have you considered having an open discussion with her about the plants? Maybe a passive discussion about the plants themselves what they do how they help people and so on and ease your way into the topic?

My mother and I never saw eye to eye on the topic for the longest time but she came around after seeing my battles with addiction and depression. She's not totally complicit or in agreement with some of my shananagins but she sees how the mushrooms help with the headaches , how kratom keeps me off the fentanyl and treats my pain, she sees how cannabis keeps me calm when I'm anxious and stressed out etc. just because society says something is wrong or bad doesn't mean it's not something really beneficial for us individually. My mother and I share a much healthier relationship now than we did when she was totally against my usage (of anything).

Best of luck

I think you and I might go on to become great pen pals
I look forward to seeing your posts more and more in the future

NeitherHere

 

[sutekh_77]

Yesterday I had a pharmahuasca experience that was completely out-of-body. I guess my eyes were closed, but for most of it there wasn't really a concept of closing or opening the eyes. Just my two cents, I don't know how it compares to vaporized DMT because I haven't experienced it either.

Hi blig-blug

That's awesome bro, I just read your trip report on your experience log. I know some people that had OBEs even with low doses of Ayahuasca, it definely can happen but it's not that common, at least in the small comunity of my IRL psychonault friends. I definelty 'visited' some places during some of my trips, but as soon as I open my eyes the visuals stop. My sensation during this episodes were more like I was shown a place then I was really outside my body.

I know it's totally counter intuitive but have you considered having an open discussion with her about the plants? Maybe a passive discussion about the plants themselves what they do how they help people and so on and ease your way into the topic?

My mother and I never saw eye to eye on the topic for the longest time but she came around after seeing my battles with addiction and depression. She's not totally complicit or in agreement with some of my shananagins but she sees how the mushrooms help with the headaches , how kratom keeps me off the fentanyl and treats my pain, she sees how cannabis keeps me calm when I'm anxious and stressed out etc. just because society says something is wrong or bad doesn't mean it's not something really beneficial for us individually. My mother and I share a much healthier relationship now than we did when she was totally against my usage (of anything).

Best of luck

I think you and I might go on to become great pen pals
I look forward to seeing your posts more and more in the future

NeitherHere

I opened up to my parents about my consumption of Ayahuasca a few weeks ago, they are very present in my life and I hate lying to them. They were not super excited about the news, but respected my choice. My mother knows that what she's growing is chacruna, she knows it's medicinal, but she doesn't know that's one of the ingredients of Ayahuasca, yet.

 

[blig-blug]

That's awesome bro, I just read your trip report on your experience log. I know some people that had OBEs even with low doses of Ayahuasca, it definely can happen but it's not that common, at least in the small comunity of my IRL psychonault friends.

I'm wondering if it maybe was related to it being pure DMT and thus easier to absorb fast, all at once. It hit me much faster and stronger than any mimosa brew I've had. Next time I try an equivalent dose, I'll see if it happens again or it was a one-off thing. I've never had that happen with any psychedelic before.

I opened up to my parents about my consumption of Ayahuasca a few weeks ago, they are very present in my life and I hate lying to them.

I'm happy you can have that openness. It really makes matters easier if the people you care about know it. In my case, only my girlfriend and some close friends know.

 

[sutekh_77]

I'm happy you can have that openness. It really makes matters easier if the people you care about know it. In my case, only my girlfriend and some close friends know.

It sucks to live in a society that don't understand the usage we make from these substances. I only opened up with them cause ayahuasca is not illegal were I live, they would never understand me taking a illegal drug. Unfortunately even if it's legal the media portrait of ayahuasca it's super negative.

I strugled with anger issues and had a bit of a drinking habit, ayahuasca helped me a lot with those. I was also very disrespectfull to my mother's religion. They saw that I changed, I become more caring with them, this helped.

Yeah only few people know that I use ayahuasca, I thought my parents had the right to know.

Most of the times it's better to hide, it's the right to do. Many people come to aya to help them with depression and addiction, most of my peers are people struggling with these problems and they always say "if I tell someone I take ayahuasca they will say it's the medicine fault". And they are 100% right. For me was easy to open up with my parents, in others circunstances I won't have told them.

 

[Subtlevibrations]

@sutekh_77 Welcome to the Nexus Thank you for sharing your personal insights and your own brew recipe. I may have missed it, if I did, forgive me; in what form are you ingesting your Syrian rue? Are you making a separate brew, and if so, are you willing to provide your dosing details?

My experience positions me on the other side of the fence you’ve been discussing; my only experience with DMT and its associates is in smoked/vaporized form in the way of FB or changa. I have a growing interest in trying my hand at a brew and plan to use your recipe as a template for a lower dose, but need more information on your dosing and method for the MAOI component if you can kindly provide it. Again, if you’ve already disclosed this and I missed it sifting the thread, I apologize.

The Nexus is great because those who contribute truly care about the quality of content presented herein; I am optimistic about your addition to our cast of whacky characters

Safe travels,
Sv

 

[sutekh_77]

Hi @Subtlevibrations

Thank you very much for your warm welcome.

I used crushed Syrian Rue stuffed inside gelatin capsules consumed 25 minutes prior to the mimosa brew.

I grind the raw seeds using a simple mortar and pestle, they are kinda "oily" so they do not turn into a fine powder, the seeds also have a inner shell that is very tough and this inner shell remains intact no matter how hard I grind them. You'll end up with a dark brown sawdust-like powder with miniscule light brown seeds sprinked around (I wish I had some photos to show).

I'm saying that cause the first time I grond the seeds I was kinda worried because of the texture and heterogeneity of the resulting powder. I even spent some time trying get a nice fine powder, with no success. Dosen't matter, it works just fine. Put it all inside the empty gel caps and wash it all down with water or other liquid.

For me just 1g~1.5g is enough. Do not ground a big amount of seeds cause they do not keep well, in my experience this powder gets moldy in just a couple of weeks.

 

[Subtlevibrations]

@sutekh_77 lovely; thank you so much for taking the time to disclose your method and dosing