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Honest Opinion About the NBOMe's
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infinitynlove
Mushroom Explorer
ok but made me nauseous.
Lumos
Live the life out of life!
I'm still very skeptical that the drugs causing these weird deaths are actually the NBOMe's we still don't really have a good way to test for them in autopsies. I mean the only way I could see that happening is if someone is dumb enough to just take large amounts of the power.
In all of my experience it has been very gentle, and has never come even close to robbing me of rational thinking and judgement.
In all of my experience it has been very gentle, and has never come even close to robbing me of rational thinking and judgement.
infinitynlove
Mushroom Explorer
yeah you are right
they are probably using scare tactics again to justify further legislation.
They are gentle at low doses, at 1500 ug they are VERY intense! but I get sick of them so they are not my psychedelic of choice.
I has only tried 25I-NBOMe though, not experienced any of the others though.
Peace
they are probably using scare tactics again to justify further legislation.
They are gentle at low doses, at 1500 ug they are VERY intense! but I get sick of them so they are not my psychedelic of choice.
I has only tried 25I-NBOMe though, not experienced any of the others though.
Peace
infinitynlove
Mushroom Explorer
ROA was complexed blotters
one had to hold them to the gum for 30 mins to absorb through the thin skin.
They are very cheep, literally about $0.50 each!
one had to hold them to the gum for 30 mins to absorb through the thin skin.
They are very cheep, literally about $0.50 each!
infinitynlove
Mushroom Explorer
Yeah you are probably right.
Its just how we got it, on blotters.
Also weighing out 250ug is almost impossible! so one would probably end up eye balling it and trying to guess 250 ug is going to be hard.
i guess you could weigh out 10 mg and split it into half then half again, then the quarter is 10 250ug doses.
Its just how we got it, on blotters.
Also weighing out 250ug is almost impossible! so one would probably end up eye balling it and trying to guess 250 ug is going to be hard.
i guess you could weigh out 10 mg and split it into half then half again, then the quarter is 10 250ug doses.
Dark_Star
Rising Star
I've never personally used them, and I never will. From all the reports I've read, and all the people I've talked to that used them, I'm not impressed. Their safety profile is not yet known, but they can cause serious vasoconstriction, which is highly dangerous. I dislike them for the fact that so many people pass them off as LSD, or sometimes MDMA. Thats the fault of the people who do that, not the substance itself, yet it is a huge issue in the scene today, and one that we cannot ignore, especially considering the risk of overdose. It's also a travesty that it's available in powder form. Any Tom, Dick, or Harry can can get large amounts of these substances in powder form if they know where to look......and that is extremely dangerous, especially considering that they are active in microgram doses. It's no wonder that there have been multiple deaths and hospitalizations when you consider the fact that some 18 year old kid with no background in chemistry or pharmacology, and without the proper scales, can scoop up multiple grams and try to play Leary in his home town.
Another consideration is purity issues and mislabeling. So many people seem to have this impression that the RC trade is legit & more trustworthy then the black market. It's not. So what I'm saying to those of who choose to dabble; please be careful.
Another consideration is purity issues and mislabeling. So many people seem to have this impression that the RC trade is legit & more trustworthy then the black market. It's not. So what I'm saying to those of who choose to dabble; please be careful.
ipumaestro
catdestined
if the nbome is in a salt form (ie hcl) then there is no need to complex, if it is in a fb form simply convert it to a salt (acetate/fumarate for safety) then use it buccaly.
the best way to do it (IMO) is to put it onto blotters (being exact) and place the blotter as far up as possible between gums and upper lip, let it sit there whilst not eating or drinking for a half hour. one can also insufflate a dilute liquid but its been found to be very damaging to the intranasal cavity when used frequently
they are novel but no great shakes
i found that in conjunction with other psychedelics (such as allylescaline) the experience was impressively unique unlike either substance alone. this combination (1.5 mg 25i + 30 mg allylescaline) was the most intense synthetic experience ive ever had and i would highly suggest it to fellow psychonauts.
the best way to do it (IMO) is to put it onto blotters (being exact) and place the blotter as far up as possible between gums and upper lip, let it sit there whilst not eating or drinking for a half hour. one can also insufflate a dilute liquid but its been found to be very damaging to the intranasal cavity when used frequently
they are novel but no great shakes
i found that in conjunction with other psychedelics (such as allylescaline) the experience was impressively unique unlike either substance alone. this combination (1.5 mg 25i + 30 mg allylescaline) was the most intense synthetic experience ive ever had and i would highly suggest it to fellow psychonauts.
25I tends to be more or less vasoconstrictive at 500µg, yet fun. But I didn't want to do more than 10 blotters in a year, so I put this experimenting on a halt. The first 5 500µg blotters were cool, like a mixture of MDMA and shr00ms. Without the paranoia, but with great visuals and ecstatic feelings. After that, the intake became a little habit like and I got some severe vasoconstriction (unpleasant numbness :!: ) in the leg at the 10th blotter - after a jogging run though. That 10th blotter hit the stop mark for me. Also 500µg per trip is sufficient, no need for 1mg IMO.
march said:
I find this an interesting perspective since, in my personal experience, the NBOME series is way more gentle and pleasant than the 2c-x's; which tend to have severe body load and digestive effects that are quite simply not present in the NBOME's.
Like many others I found the 25I experience quite enjoyable and really can't pinpoint anything negative about it. I am concerned about the lack of research on these compounds however, and have decided to severely limit my use of them till we can find out more about the safety profile and long-term effects of using them.
boo-ring
took 4mg of 25i and was over stimulated, had no useful realisations, and was only impressed by the visuals, not amazed
its like all the litteral effects of a psychedelic are there but with none of the ernest, life changing side
far too stimulating to, i wouldn't take it again :thumb_dow
after playing around with other trips for a wile, i was again reminded that lsd is the one for me, nothing else comes close (for me!) :thumb_up:
took 4mg of 25i and was over stimulated, had no useful realisations, and was only impressed by the visuals, not amazed
its like all the litteral effects of a psychedelic are there but with none of the ernest, life changing side
far too stimulating to, i wouldn't take it again :thumb_dow
after playing around with other trips for a wile, i was again reminded that lsd is the one for me, nothing else comes close (for me!) :thumb_up:
Lumos
Live the life out of life!
Well now that this tread is back where I can actually read and post again...
The best way to deal with these compounds is with Liquid measurement, 5mg/mL works out best as 500 ug = 100 uL of fluid. Now I definitely agree that these compounds lack the dissolution of the ego and many other important aspects of the classical psychedelics. However, they are very thought provoking for me; they really just stimulate more intellectual thoughts without making me all spacy or forgetful.
The best way to deal with these compounds is with Liquid measurement, 5mg/mL works out best as 500 ug = 100 uL of fluid. Now I definitely agree that these compounds lack the dissolution of the ego and many other important aspects of the classical psychedelics. However, they are very thought provoking for me; they really just stimulate more intellectual thoughts without making me all spacy or forgetful.
highRvibratoryfreq
Rising Star
a couple of months ago i had to defuse a potentially life threatening situation that was instigated by one of the 25 nbome rcs , although i was also given it last year myself in a nasal spray and it seemed quite pleasant in the dose i took, at the time although id been taken numerous other psychedelics that same night so it was hard for me to tell the exact effects. however the more recent time i was visiting friends i hadnt seen for some time, and we went out to party he had bought some cocaine and so had another person there who i didnt know. now earlier that night the other person had purchased an rc which had been sold as a 2c which later turned out to be one of the nbomes, the guy basically mixed what he'd bought into his bag of coke and started sharing it with people. an hour or 2 later one guy who'd never taken anything was paranoid having panick attacks and eventually got violent kicked a lock off a door and had to be restrained, he later recalled it was one of the worst moments of his life and was never going to take any mind altering drugs ever again. now if that was all that had happened id see it as a one off, and it was more likely due to the temperament of the person and underlying mental issues however him and the person who bought it both had really bad experiences, and much later in the night when we were all back, the person who bought it initially, undeterred somewhat retardedly from what had happened earlier started off at the bag of powder, i was given a line thinking it was just coke, and after i did it i felt mild psychedelic effects albeit dirty and not very nice i decided to leave the room and try to sleep as i thought it was a bad choice after what had happened earlier. a few hours later i awoke to screaming in the next room and when i went in another person was trying to jump out of a window to kill himself and he nearly succeeded if it wasnt for 2 people dragging him back in, then he grabbed a large knife and started trying to stab himself in the stomach at which point another friend grabbed the knife cutting himself very badly in the process to save him, i waded in removing all deadly weapons and we had to restrain the person for upwards of 2 hours, at which point he still wasnt all there. it was incredibly distressing and i feel things came very close to going horribly horribly wrong, and im quite glad i was relatively sober to help bring some sanity into the room.
now i know there are many variables that could have been at play here and it could have been the mixture with the cocaine it could have been the predisposition of all 3 of the people that went psychotic, however it is an example of how, recklessness and irresponsibility combined with unresearched chemicals cant lead to really really bad situations. i thank god nobody died and i was seriously pissed off with a few people that night.
i havent bothered researching it yet but i would be interested to know if this isnt just an isolated case regarding these particularly new RC's.
now i know there are many variables that could have been at play here and it could have been the mixture with the cocaine it could have been the predisposition of all 3 of the people that went psychotic, however it is an example of how, recklessness and irresponsibility combined with unresearched chemicals cant lead to really really bad situations. i thank god nobody died and i was seriously pissed off with a few people that night.
i havent bothered researching it yet but i would be interested to know if this isnt just an isolated case regarding these particularly new RC's.
Wow, that sounds terrible
Sneaking a powerful hallucinogen in what someone though was cocaine? It could have been anything - even 'known' psychedelics like LSD - and I would still expect something violent and scary to happen.
That's an individual that I would never associate with again. And if he got bunked then it sounds like the problem is endemic to that scene. Time to find a new circle of friends.
Sneaking a powerful hallucinogen in what someone though was cocaine? It could have been anything - even 'known' psychedelics like LSD - and I would still expect something violent and scary to happen.
That's an individual that I would never associate with again. And if he got bunked then it sounds like the problem is endemic to that scene. Time to find a new circle of friends.
Lumos
Live the life out of life!
I think the main problem with these compounds today is the fact that people don't do their homework. All the stories I hear all start with someone selling or handing out the power; and eye balling a micro gram active drug is very stupid. These horror stories are caused by people who don't know or don't care.
I believe that these compounds can be useful tools, but they must be used in the correct manner; like any other drug it's not good or bad, it's how it is used.
I believe that these compounds can be useful tools, but they must be used in the correct manner; like any other drug it's not good or bad, it's how it is used.
lysurgeon
Rising Star
When the NBOMEs came around to where I could reach them, I found that it was like a vacation from usual tripping. As stalepixel mentioned above, I found the experiences to be lacking in spiritual value or transformative potential, to be stimulating and merely impressive, not awe-inspiring.
They have the "weird body feeling" associated with 2C chemicals, but it only really manifests itself at high (greater than 1mg) doses, generally leading to a consesus that they have a "clean" feeling to them, as compared to the DOx chemicals that used to be widely distributed on blotter. There is a kind of emotional magic that occurs, and the time dilation is very impressive.
However, I am aware of the imprinting potential of psycheelics, and having taken 25I about 3 times and 25C around 10-15 times, I became aware that there are negative effects on memory. I have a hard time remembering most of the times I took 25C, and I was aware of severe rapid memory loss on 25I thanks to having a setup of 2 experienced trippers on the compound and 1 experienced tripper sitting/observing the session.
The observer said the people on the 25I would cognitively reach a revelation and emotionally soar with the joy that came with it, then he would observe a blank look as the cognitive awareness of the revelation was lost immediately while the emotional awareness/reaction would continue for about 30 seconds after the memory-loss event. And this was a pattern that recurred throughout the most intense hours of the trip. He went as far as to test it, with the overall dialogue structure emerging:
Tripper1: "Ah, I realize that I can blah blah blah!"
Tripper2: "Yes, I just realized that at the same time!"
Sitter: "So what is it that you just realized?"
Tripper1: "I....can't remember"
Tripper2: "Lost it already"
Sitter: "But I can see you're still riding the wave from it. You just said you realized you can blah blah blah"
Tripper2: "That doesn't ring a bell but it makes sense I think"
Blah blah blah being probably either nonsense or some actual revelation, and the dialogue taking place while still under the emotional influence of realizing whatever it is.
Anyway, this was an interesting look into 25I but for the very reasons detailed above I do not find NBOMe's to be exactly useful, and they may cause some kind of brain damage since they're so memory-lossy.
Also, there's this kind of laughing seizure that seems to take place, where everyone gets massive giggle-fits but the look in their eyes is not the pure joy it sounds like they are having, it's a sort of desperation, that they are trapped inside this prison of laughter.
They have the "weird body feeling" associated with 2C chemicals, but it only really manifests itself at high (greater than 1mg) doses, generally leading to a consesus that they have a "clean" feeling to them, as compared to the DOx chemicals that used to be widely distributed on blotter. There is a kind of emotional magic that occurs, and the time dilation is very impressive.
However, I am aware of the imprinting potential of psycheelics, and having taken 25I about 3 times and 25C around 10-15 times, I became aware that there are negative effects on memory. I have a hard time remembering most of the times I took 25C, and I was aware of severe rapid memory loss on 25I thanks to having a setup of 2 experienced trippers on the compound and 1 experienced tripper sitting/observing the session.
The observer said the people on the 25I would cognitively reach a revelation and emotionally soar with the joy that came with it, then he would observe a blank look as the cognitive awareness of the revelation was lost immediately while the emotional awareness/reaction would continue for about 30 seconds after the memory-loss event. And this was a pattern that recurred throughout the most intense hours of the trip. He went as far as to test it, with the overall dialogue structure emerging:
Tripper1: "Ah, I realize that I can blah blah blah!"
Tripper2: "Yes, I just realized that at the same time!"
Sitter: "So what is it that you just realized?"
Tripper1: "I....can't remember"
Tripper2: "Lost it already"
Sitter: "But I can see you're still riding the wave from it. You just said you realized you can blah blah blah"
Tripper2: "That doesn't ring a bell but it makes sense I think"
Blah blah blah being probably either nonsense or some actual revelation, and the dialogue taking place while still under the emotional influence of realizing whatever it is.
Anyway, this was an interesting look into 25I but for the very reasons detailed above I do not find NBOMe's to be exactly useful, and they may cause some kind of brain damage since they're so memory-lossy.
Also, there's this kind of laughing seizure that seems to take place, where everyone gets massive giggle-fits but the look in their eyes is not the pure joy it sounds like they are having, it's a sort of desperation, that they are trapped inside this prison of laughter.
