mailorderdiety said:
wow! quite some scary trip reports in here. I'm glad it's not all one sided as i've only had really fun and even profound experiences on 25i. I found a thread that pumamaestro started regarding the combining of 25i with mescaline. I"m such a huge fan of how deep the healing is with mescaline, but i've never really had visuals from mescaline as the dose is pretty high for me to get oev (i've only had powdered cactus). So when i heard of puma's successful combination of the two i had to try.
I ordered some from what seemed like a reputable source, tried one tab(550ug). I was pleasantly surprised by how nice it was. But as others had stated it lacked spiritual depth. I later was at a friends band performance at a local club and i couldn't get over how good music sounded on it. It is really great to appreciate music with. i had no hang over from it same as mescaline and i was very happy with the test.
I then tried it with 8 grams of moderately strong peruvian torch powder and BAM! what a great combination. the cactus at a low dose provided the depth and the 25i gave very interesting visuals.. and yet i'm still completely sober and can eat and carry on a conversation with anyone including police. I was then further interested by pumas use of allylescaline with these other two and i'm on that now. 4 grams peru torch, 10 mg allylescaline, and 175 ug. 25i. It is so nice. none of the side effects of any of the three and seemingly all of the benefits of each as well as a new sensation that is not present on any of them together. It's like a sweet oil painting/dream with a slight bit of stomach awareness to give it gravity so you know it's real. i really like this world.
Pretty much have the same thoughts on 25i/mescaline combos. I did it a few times with iirc, 250ug of 25i and 100-200mg of mescaline. They compliment each other well, and add that extra visual kick to a lower dose of mescaline. However, i'd rather just eat more mescaline than combine the two. If your after a visual trip that doesn't seem purely recreational, but not mentally challenging, a low dose of each does the job. IT also has the advantage of not being an all day thing like a larger dose of mescaline to get the desired visual affects. I lean towards 4-substituted trypts and mescaline for an added visual kick, with the tradeoff of being more mental (not necessarily a good/bad thing).
I have some allyl i tried a few times, its nice stuff, but not too visual. Might be an interesting combo with a 25x, and i'd be more inclined to combine it since its not as scarce/useful as mesc is in my psychadelic arsenal.
What i realy want to try is 25c with some mescaline or allylescaline. Of all the nbomes i've had, 25c is my favorite. 25i is great and all, but a bit too much at times, in terms of stimulation and vasoconstriction. 25d was interesting, just like 2c-d, i think i like 2c-d better though. Both 2c-d and 25d for me, seem more like utilitarian psychs, and less recreational, the closest to mescaline in terms of how it affects your mind. 25b, was pretty nice, a bit more stimulating than 25c and lacking in the visual dept the few times i tried it, ime its more of a recreational than useful psych.
25c, has it all ime. Not overly stimulating, not rough on the edges like 25i, fairly visual and euphoric, just like 2c-c is one of my favorite 2c-x's, i feel i like 25c for the same reasons. It feels more balanced, unlike the other 25x's which ime, are a bit too selective in either the visual, euphoric, stimulating, or mental areas.
But, as a group, i tend to be very hesitant with the 25x's, and don't take them more than a few times a year at most. Too novel, with too many incidents where there were health issues with people taking a large, but not excessive dose (like 1mg of 25i). I don't like that narrow of a saftey margin, and have had some bad vasoconstriction on medium-high doses of 25i and 25b (~750ug+ is where side affects get uncomfortable with both).
I think they're interesting, but like all rc psychs, tread carefully. Especially considering there have been deaths involving 25x od's, and many reports of health issues with abuse/superman doses.
Not to mention their rediculous tolerance, which ime lasts a week or more, and interferes with all psychs, not just 25x's. But i don't think its healthy to trip that frequently on a regular basis anyway, so, idk.
Given a choice, i'd take a 2c-x vs its 25x counterpart for the most part. 25x's are nice as an exotic treat on occasion, but too untested/novel to be considered safe in any respect, relative to classicals and the 2c-x's.
