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How do you integrate your entheogenic use with society? (environmental rant)

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proto-pax

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Integrate may be a bad term. I have trouble relating to most people, not in I am better for doing what I do and you are all unenlightened sheep. Instead it just seems difficult to form anything meaningful with people who haven't experienced something similar to what I have undergone through my use of the most powerful drug known to man. I was never particularly close to my family (they are fearful of the way society is heading and very close-minded) I love them and wish them no harm, but they are just one subset of a group of people that I feel do not understand that it is possible to shift your viewpoint and see where others are coming from.


From the fact that I could be prosecuted for what I do all the way to the absolute rape of earth that everyone seems to be so callous towards it seems as if I am somewhere outside of the human experience.


Why is this? Does anyone feel the same way? I'm not unhappy or anything, it is just so jarring to find yourself (a high primate) disconnected from what essentially are a bunch of "higher" primates. Are the base actions and callousness just a result of our evolutionary biological imperatives that ensured our survivability of a species? If so why have we not been able to cast of these biological imperatives in favor of something that is mutually beneficial to humanity and the earth?


Sorry if this doesn't make any sense it just seems that there is an apathy towards the world and a lot of high primates don't realize that we are part of it. Obviously people are more informed and dislike the actions that harm our world, but they refuse to do anything to change it. I try a little, and always try more. Why is it that society is so messed up basically, and how come everyone seems to shrug and say "well what can you do"?
 
its easy to feel separated from the rest of humanity after journeying into the outer realms. But I think it can be a trap to go there.

At this point in time its only meant for a select few.
There are relevent lessons to be learned in hyperspace that can be brought back here to help humanity.
Its not necessarily direct information but a certain clarity of understanding about this world and the infinite possibilities of the "other".

This perspective has allowed me to articulate certain things to people that i could not before. And an amazing thing happens suddenly you realize they are listening to you.

I believe we as humans are just doing what we do . War and all the ugly things we perpitrate are just part of our story .

We have the potential to move toward an evolved level of conscousness that will make all the fear based monkey leftover nonsense obsolete.

The human story may well be one of unfulfilled destiny where we blow up the ourselves and the planet.

The job of evolving to a higher form of universal being will be left to other luckier civilizations.

Perhaps we are just here to provide highly evolved energy beings a tangeable matter reality to experience.

maybe everything has to live with its opposite for balance. Perhaps if the world was all good it would be unstable .
 
Felnik said:
its easy to feel separated from the rest of humanity after journeying into the outer realms. But I think it can be a trap to go there.

At this point in time its only meant for a select few.
There are relevent lessons to be learned in hyperspace that can be brought back here to help humanity.
Its not necessarily direct information but a certain clarity of understanding about this world and the infinite possibilities of the "other".

This perspective has allowed me to articulate certain things to people that i could not before. And an amazing thing happens suddenly you realize they are listening to you.

I believe we as humans are just doing what we do . War and all the ugly things we perpitrate are just part of our story .

We have the potential to move toward an evolved level of conscousness that will make all the fear based monkey leftover nonsense obsolete.

The human story may well be one of unfulfilled destiny where we blow up the ourselves and the planet.

The job of evolving to a higher form of universal being will be left to other luckier civilizations.

Perhaps we are just here to provide highly evolved energy beings a tangeable matter reality to experience.

maybe everything has to live with its opposite for balance. Perhaps if the world was all good it would be unstable .
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probably one of the best things ive read in a long time. thank you felnik.
cheers mate

protopax- it can be difficult i struggle with it too heres what i try to remember. be careful that your not feeling separate from others. separateness is the beginning of all wars and hate on this planet. we can only do these unthinkable acts because we feel we are sepparte beings form one another when we are actually all one. human connection is paramount to a better world. know what roll your playing in this human drama. are you adding to the separateness of the world or are you a tool for unity? will you love all people or just the ones who know what you know?

remember a 6th grader isn't a better person than a 3 grader. they are just on different levels of learning but both are right were they are suppose to be. i believe dmt can bring a person to a much higher understanding of the universe and themselves but i cant let that stop me from connecting and loving with those who aren't there yet.
 
proto-pax said:
Integrate may be a bad term. I have trouble relating to most people, not in I am better for doing what I do and you are all unenlightened sheep. Instead it just seems difficult to form anything meaningful with people who haven't experienced something similar to what I have undergone through my use of the most powerful drug known to man. I was never particularly close to my family (they are fearful of the way society is heading and very close-minded) I love them and wish them no harm, but they are just one subset of a group of people that I feel do not understand that it is possible to shift your viewpoint and see where others are coming from.


From the fact that I could be prosecuted for what I do all the way to the absolute rape of earth that everyone seems to be so callous towards it seems as if I am somewhere outside of the human experience.


Why is this? Does anyone feel the same way? I'm not unhappy or anything, it is just so jarring to find yourself (a high primate) disconnected from what essentially are a bunch of "higher" primates. Are the base actions and callousness just a result of our evolutionary biological imperatives that ensured our survivability of a species? If so why have we not been able to cast of these biological imperatives in favor of something that is mutually beneficial to humanity and the earth?


Sorry if this doesn't make any sense it just seems that there is an apathy towards the world and a lot of high primates don't realize that we are part of it. Obviously people are more informed and dislike the actions that harm our world, but they refuse to do anything to change it. I try a little, and always try more. Why is it that society is so messed up basically, and how come everyone seems to shrug and say "well what can you do"?
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I think your thoughts are very normal. And i have experienced similar. What i have learned is to be nice to other people. Its simple sometimes silly but it helps allot. Dont know in detail how the mechanics work, but it works. Like others have mentioned evolving (awareness) is key, so it is important we find a way to all get along and dont kill earth and ourselves. Some simple sympathy can go such a long way.

posted this one before but anyway:
"I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn human actions, but to understand them."
(Spinoza)
 
Proto-Pax

Compassion is key... Every human being experiences and endures ignorance and suffering. All of humanity is apart of the fabric of existence, kindness and understanding is vital for awareness and self discovery.


Much Peace and Compassion
 
proto-pax ur post makes great sense.. thats a very common feeling that most psychedelic or entheogenic users get after some time.. thats mostly about the increased level of perception and awareness. I will try to keep this very complex reaction simple for u to understand.

You have learned to see much deeper into human psychology behind their actions. Being aware makes you do less mistakes caused by ur humanly unsatisfied desires and egos, and you expect people to do the same, when people dont do the same as u, u start thinkin "what is the problem with all these stupids, are they so cheap that they are acting like this??". Thats one of the main reasons for your alienation and be sure there is nothing bad about it.

As a reaction for the stupid human behavior you start to abstract yourself from soccial relations, act more selective when going out with friends, and get effected very easily from egoistic actions. As a reaction your eyes look different without your control, you start to look at people like approving their stupidity into their face. And because of this they get into such psychology like "damn this guy is so smart he realized my stupid instincts and reactions, this guy is a danger to me" ... and you start to get more negative reactions from people which works as a chain reaction or infinite loop goin downwards in your relations.

There is nothing wrong about it. Because increased awareness is both a gift and a curse. One of the curse effects felt is in soccial relations. Being aware of such alienation you also start acting different, but not wrong in any case. Thats why this situation seems weird but not bad to you at all. You know you are doing the ethical and right things but getting wrong reactions in return.

Please dont get it in a wrong way or pessimistic way, but my suggestion would be; Learn to live this way, act the human good in your daily relations, act stupid like them in cases which are necessary. But inside you always know the truth and follow the path you are goin at the moment. Any shift in path after this moment will cause major confusions and will hurt your psychology.

Unaware and arrogant people who would never find their internal peace will always be hard to communicate or have relations.. everyone cant handle higher levels of consciousness, like try to wake them up to the truth that they are human they will freak out and endup in sanitarium. We learn to strengthen our will power and psychological (depression) resistance, and self control by doing psychedelics.. but in our world today we dont have enough aware ppl around us other than internet communities like Nexus, so we should learn how to act like a simple stupid human at certain moments and learn to enjoy simple things with them to not become an antisoccial person.

Another trick for this case is that we are Nexians, when we are around this website we get used to people and conversations here, so other daily relations become so simple for us and not enjoyable at all. We should fight with it, because there is one absolute truth; Nexus is an internet community and it is not much about our soccial life.

Finding balance is very important, we have experienced differnet things as you mentioned, but thats just one side of the medalion, if a split personality or hipocricy is necessary then do it. It is not very bad thing to do really. Otherwise antisoccial behavior can cause much bigger problems in your life.

Im also not very good at handling some soccial relations, but im trying because i know what is the right path to walk and trying my best for it.. :)

Wish u, me and everyone else gud luck about this case :) hope more aware ppl like us start to popup sumtime very soon :p
 
I know how you feel man, even though we are supposed to love everything and everyone, it can be quite the challenge. But then again, it is supposed to be hard because the RIGHT path is LONG and ROUGH while the WRONG path is walked ENOUGH.
 
I'm pretty sure even if I had never discovered entheogens my relationships with folks will always be the same. Mostly them speaking and me listening, then me speaking, then them speaking before I've finished speaking about what they were speaking about as they change the conversation completely as they have said what they want to say on the matter.

Ah!... learning. Isnt it fun kids?
 
jungleheart said:
Smile and try to uplift others. Lead by example. Love your fellow humans.
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yes, it's not necessarily a complicated thing. Also, maybe a lot of "integration in society" is a matter of what you don't do, or what you stop doing. The rest follows naturally.
 
camdemonium said:
I know how you feel man, even though we are supposed to love everything and everyone, it can be quite the challenge. But then again, it is supposed to be hard because the RIGHT path is LONG and ROUGH while the WRONG path is walked ENOUGH.
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how nice you said it with just 2 lines... very nice said
 
I just dont..there is no integration of this with society. I live in my own little world where things are possible that just arent possible to the hard core ratonalists, magic exists and the universe dreams with us..

I dont integarte my experience into society, I interface with society conscious of the knowledge that many people see many different things..many people walk in many different worlds.

How do I integrate something so beautiful, so captivating that it's very light is blinding within the dead world to the point where it's so easy to miss the entire thing?..I cant..I just cant. To even try to integrate that into the dead world is hopeless.

Maybe it's society that needs to integrate, it is after all the one that falling apart at the seams. Great world spirit is calling us all back home to claim our throne as children of the earth once again..children of the living world..the dead world is just a corpse we can stop beating and move on, finally, if we choose. Sorry, I know with all the talk of integraton surrounding these things that my opinion prob wont be well recieved, but it's mine and I stand by it.
 
That definitely makes sense fractal. I don't agree with it, but I can see why you'd say it, and I would support anyone to go that route. I'm still stuck on society though.
 
Wow, Fractal, that was amazing writing. It does seem at times that society doesn't want happiness or simplicity. But then again, people are only doing what they beleive works best. As it is, the majority of people seem convinced that a certain way of hyperactive, hyper expansive, exponential growth living is the only way. You can try to tell them that you have a way of being that is different, that works beauitfully.... but they are used to their own experience, they don't want to believe or take risk of believing another way of being. As you said, there isn't necessarily integration, but rather interfacing. A peaceful co-existence, realizing that other people see things differently. That is why I said in my post, integration may be more about the things you DON'T do.... such as not pushing upon people your own views of reality. Pushing people one way or the other seems to just result in conflict. You may believe your point of view is correct, and the other side believes their view is correct. If neither side is willing to back down, there is conflict. But the agreement to not violate each others freedom, or do violence against each other allows us to live in peace. Love isn't needed for peace, just the willingness to co-exist without imposing your ways on others.

Perhaps peaceful co-existence is what liberty and the American way is all about. If everyone agrees that everyone can believe or act as they please without violating another, then people can just be happy witht their own life, without the need to conquer others, or violently defend against others. Perhaps the American way has been somewhat distorted from what the forefathers intended. Tolerance isn't about love... it's just the agreement to disagree, the agreement to not do violence against one another, or try to take away anyone's freedom, so people can live in peace.

It would be very nice if law makers would grant users of certain substances the right to live and take sacraments as they do, functioning perfectly well in society, not violating any law other than the controlled substance law itself. Just sayin.
 
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