How Greta Thunberg is changing the world, and how you can change it too

[Nydex]

Hello friends,

Since I didn't see anyone mention this precious human being, thought I'd talk about her a little bit.

She's the 16 years old Swedish girl that is on the front line of the global climate change awareness movement. She's appeared on numerous public occasions speaking about the global climate crisis such as TED, the EU leaders convention in Strasbourg, the Katowice UN plenary etc. I'm linking a few of her appearances below, and I urge anyone who cares about our beautiful home (all of you, basically) to watch and listen to her, and reach deep within you and see how and what you feel.

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Tears well up in my eyes, and scorching pain aches my heart when I think about how much we've disrespected our planet and the extent to which we are in a parasitic, harmful relationship with it.

Greta is right, the "people in power" have ignored this crisis for so long, and they'll keep ignoring it as long as they can make money. The systems need to change, and in order for that to happen, people need to change.

Some years back when my perception of this issue was shallower, I did think there's not much that can be done...that "things are the way they are". And that's exactly what the selected few that run this horrid circus want us to think...but as I got more and more educated on the problem, I realized that I have the power to change myself. If I have the power to change myself, I can serve as an example and lead to change in someone else. The domino effect picks up at some point surely.

And I did change myself. I stopped consuming meat. I'm trying to limit dairy as much as possible (cheese is my guilty pleasure), and I try not to use any more materials than I need. And soon I am about to implement an even bigger change and start living almost entirely off of nature, giving back everything I take.

It all starts from within, and we need to babystep our way into sustainability, environmentalism and expanded awareness and knowledge of our direct impact on the planet as a living organism.

People like Greta serve as an awakening mechanism. It's as if she's a messenger sent from the future to warn people of the consequences from their actions and to give it one last push before it's too late - to see if humanity really gives a damn about its existence on this planet.

We need to be more aware, open-minded and willing to be better. A change is on the horizon, and I truly believe psychedelics play a pivotal role in this awakening process and serve as a catalyst for change - a change for better.

I love you all, and I love the planet even more. Thank you for reading this.

With a hopeful heart and lots of love,
Nydex

 

[Legarto Rey]

Not to detract from the despoilation of Earth's bio-sphere by humanity. Greta does indeed appear to be a PR creation of, Ingmar Rentzhog. Big money hedging on "green" tech, carbon "offsets" and wresting tax $$ and resources from the greedy Western proletariat. I'll be a bit more sympathetic toward the, "New Green Deal" when India and China sign on.

Peace

 

[xss27]

I'm far too cynical to be swayed by such an obvious attempt at emotional manipulation, not least by a 16 year old.

There's been a lot of gaff about it all here in the UK, she spoke in Parliament I believe. But so what? What do you want me to do, the UK to do? We already do more than enough and pay through our backsides for everything as it is, what sense is there in making life more difficult when our attempts are worthless in the face of a billion people in China, a billion in India, and a rapidly growing middle class the world over in developing nations?

This isn't even taking into the account the possibility she and the consensus is wrong about man affecting the global climate in the way they claim we are (Co2).

Personally, I don't care. Even if it is all true, we're boned anyway. The only way you're going to change the way people live now is by brutal force, world order, global war, or some other contrivance. And we'll inevitably just cause even more problems in some other way.

This is a manure pile. You can shape it, decorate it, get emotional and weep over it if you want.. personally, it's a manure pile and I have no attachment to it.

 

[Legarto Rey]

Sadly, the behest is, supplicate YT, so Globo-Imperialist may metastasize, unimpeded.

Peace

 

[Nydex]

Wow, I did not expect to receive such a reaction on this site. So what you're saying is that your way of "dealing" with this problem is to just ignore it and keep doing what you're doing simply because you're alone and you can't see an immediate impact from changing your ways?

I get the sense that you both looked way too close on what she said, and correlated it to who she is, and to whom she spoke. I personally didn't pay that much attention to what her background is, or how the "elite" responds and reacts to her.

What I liked about her is that she has the endurance to go to all those public events (with Asperger's) and be a voice that is obviously heard. She motivated so many kids and adults around the globe. I don't remember this happening in the past. And that's what I like about her - she's doing something good for the planet, ultimately.

Whether you like her or not, there's a good amount of proof that we're living in an extremely unsustainable way that will eventually wipe most of us out the face of the planet.

The only thing individuals such as ourselves can do to make this world a better place is to make the commitment to preserving nature in our own boundaries. Jot down which activities in your daily life affect the planet in a negative way, and think about how you can change those so they're not as harmful. If you change one single thing it's still better than just dismissing environmentalism on a local scale and continuing to ignore the fact that when we disrupt the biodynamics of the planet to a point where it's referred to as a "crisis", you won't be able to say "Hey, at least I did something and didn't sit back and watch the world grind to a halt."

At least that's how I see it. I'm sorry if I offended anyone in any way.

Peace. :thumb_up:

 

[hug46]

Not to detract from the despoilation of Earth's bio-sphere by humanity.

I read a bit about Rentzhog and i couldn't really find anything that disturbing about his and Greta's connection. Admittedly what i read was mostly in French which is not my native language. i have sort of come to the conclusion that the stories of her being a green capitalist puppet are designed to detract from her message of the despoilation of Earth's biosphere by humanity. Which is far more disturbing to my mind than her being in bed with green start ups. I could be wrong, but that still doesn't mean that what she is presenting has no substance.

we're boned anyway. The only way you're going to change the way people live now is by brutal force, world order, global war, or some other contrivance. And we'll inevitably just cause even more problems in some other way.

I am inclined to agree with that, but i am glad that some people are less cynical than you or i and are getting off of their arses to try and do something about it. It's a good thing to do.

 

[PlantTraveller]

Anyone who is in the media ends up a "puppet" - different factions project their own stuff onto public figures, it's an inevitable side effect of the way the media, and also being human, works.

Whoever wishes to use Greta as a puppet though, I find irrelevant, because I am 100% sure that her motivations are pure. It's up to us, the people of planet earth, to use critical thinking and try to wiggle out of this mess. Yup, people will try to profit while that happens. I'm willing to ignore that and try to do stuff that helps - and that helps funnel energy, money, attention away from those who would wish to profit off... nature and all this mess we're in. Greta is definitely a good egg and she is so brave. I hope she is ok

 

[Jees]

Good words PT :thumb_up:
To stuff like that there are numerous factors at play, she is mere 1 part of it.

 

[dragonrider]

Not to detract from the despoilation of Earth's bio-sphere by humanity. Greta does indeed appear to be a PR creation of, Ingmar Rentzhog. Big money hedging on "green" tech, carbon "offsets" and wresting tax $$ and resources from the greedy Western proletariat. I'll be a bit more sympathetic toward the, "New Green Deal" when India and China sign on.

Peace

Well, china and india DID sign on.

Whether they'll keep their word is another thing ofcourse. China is known not to be a very reliable partner when it comes to international treaties. It violates WTO rules all the time.

It is worth mentioning that there also is a lot of money involved in attempts to spread disinformation about climate change. Most of the so-called sceptics are being financially backed by big oil and coal. They spend A LOT MORE money on "informing the public", than all the "green tech" people combined.

From a strategic and moral point of view, you can indeed ask whether spending money on green tech is worth it, though, if most countries are going to cheat anyway.

And knowing that the countries that are cheating or not even going to sign-up will have more money left to protect themselves against climate change. Giving them a competeting edge as a bonus.

When climate policy is going to be inneffective anyway and rewarding the "bad guys" on top of that, then it definately is worth considering why the "good guys" should be making these major sacrifices.

But young people tend to be more optimistic than old people. Also because they have to be.

 

[xss27]

I am inclined to agree with that, but i am glad that some people are less cynical than you or i and are getting off of their arses to try and do something about it. It's a good thing to do.

Glad I'm not the only cynical downbeat here

It does feel like attempts to rectify the situation are much akin to pissing into a hurricane. I mean we lose sight of equally disastrous scenarios currently unfolding (IMO far more concerning and not debatable as real), such as plastics and all sorts of illegally dumped waste at sea making its way up the food chain or disrupting the biology of aquatic organisms, the fact that soil fertility has been raped to the point where we know how many harvests we have left because of industrial farming, that air pollution is causing far more physical and psychological damage than first thought to us. Oh and Fukushima is still leaking radioactive waste into the ocean.. that problem is not going anywhere soon, except into the ocean if there happens to be another earthquake.

The list is extensive. The root of it all is our insatiable appetite. No technology, no culling of the population, no global order, no earth days, protests, eating vegetables and riding bicycles is going to change what is fundamentally a problem of mind.

The technological solutions and means to do something about all of these issues have existed for decades. Plasma gasification of waste, traditional farming methods, thorium reactors.. I resent the notion my life should be made more difficult when solutions already exist but all that stops there implementation is ignorance of the public in combination with money/power of the global elite.

 

[jamie]

I see a child who I imagine to be propped up in front of a camera by a bunch of "liberal" globalists and dare I say, communists.. I could be wrong but I doubt it, with the current state of "democracy" esp in a place like Sweden.

Children often don't yet have a full grasp of this world or it's workings. It is easy to be over idealistic as a child, and trivialize what you dont understand. When I hear a 16 yr old saying things like the children having to tell it how it is etc, I cant help but think..."these are just kids".

The media loves this sort of thing. I feel bad for the kids involved who get dragged into all of this, lacking the life experience to grasp the entirety of the situation.

I just feel that this is all premeditated..on top of that I just dont trust this "democracy now!" agenda. The dems are acting like insane loony toons, atm. It's sad.

 

[dragonrider]

I see a child who I imagine to be propped up in front of a camera by a bunch of "liberal" globalists and dare I say, communists.. I could be wrong but I doubt it, with the current state of "democracy" esp in a place like Sweden.

Children often don't yet have a full grasp of this world or it's workings. It is easy to be over idealistic as a child, and trivialize what you dont understand. When I hear a 16 yr old saying things like the children having to tell it how it is etc, I cant help but think..."these are just kids".

The media loves this sort of thing. I feel bad for the kids involved who get dragged into all of this, lacking the life experience to grasp the entirety of the situation.

I just feel that this is all premeditated..on top of that I just dont trust this "democracy now!" agenda. The dems are acting like insane loony toons, atm. It's sad.

I feel the same way. Except that i don't think democracy in sweden is in such a bad state.

-Sweden doesn't have a two-party system. Wich means that there is more room for nuance. Not everything has to be either black or white. Or at least, not to the same degree as tends to be the case in nations that only have two major parties.
-Secondly, the politicians from different parties are much more willing to work together. They don't hate eachothers guts as much as politicians elsewhere seem to do.
Even the far right and the far left are not as extreme in sweden as they are in other european countries.

They have their problems in sweden, like a stagnating economy. But they've always managed to work things out.

I think greta thurnberg is a symptom of how european politics is becoming more "americanised" though. Political sensationalism. The tone being more important than the content of the message.

Sweden is a small country. It's contribution to climate change, and it's solution, is not going to be very significant.

The way i see it, climate policy is a classic prisoners dillemma.

Say, you live in a coastal area, in a climate zone where hurricanes do occur from time to time.
And say that the government is planning to build a barrier to protect you. But the government is corrupt and nobody pays taxes. So...there is not enough money, and the barrier is going to be made from sand instead of concrete. It is going to be insufficient.

It doesn't make sense to pay your taxes in such a place. Because the barrier is not going to protect you anyway. And all of your neighbours, who do not pay taxes, have money left tompay for a good insurance and a car, so they fan get away fast, and take a lot of valuable stuff with them when a hurricane warning is coming.

If you are the only "honest guy", who payed for the barrier, YOU are going to be the one who is going to drown in the flood, and all your free-riding neighbours are gonna live like nothing ever happened afterwards.

I would say that that's an undesireable outcome.

This is basically the situation we are in. It is unfortunate but true.

 

[SHroomtroll]

Come on man...

This is just a part of the huge scam that the so called sustainable planet globalists are using.
Every time they play on the emotions of people to scam even more of your money so they can fux the problems they created.

Its honestly sickening that they use a child like some kind of pr campain to get people to feel guilty about this.
Yes there are huge issues with corporations raping our earth in the name of profit.
But giving governments more tax money to control us Isnt helping and never will.
They are just trying to fool you into a fullblown socialist hell.

But you got to wake up and dont fall for any of these scams that massmedia are pushing!!
Guess what, if its on tv or pumped out in any kind of big way its almost always pure bs.

 

[dragonrider]

Come on man...

This is just a part of the huge scam that the so called sustainable planet globalists are using.
Every time they play on the emotions of people to scam even more of your money so they can fux the problems they created.

Its honestly sickening that they use a child like some kind of pr campain to get people to feel guilty about this.
Yes there are huge issues with corporations raping our earth in the name of profit.
But giving governments more tax money to control us Isnt helping and never will.
They are just trying to fool you into a fullblown socialist hell.

But you got to wake up and dont fall for any of these scams that massmedia are pushing!!
Guess what, if its on tv or pumped out in any kind of big way its almost always pure bs.

While i am pretty sceptical for reasons i have stated before, i don't think you can call this a scam.

People talk a lot about "globalists" or "elites" these days. But then, who are these globalist elites?

-Not the CEO's of big corporations, that's for sure. Because they are not exactly known for begging for more corporate taxes and regulations all the time.
-Not the politicians in power. Because these protesters are blaming politicians for NOT taking actions, and for basically being in the pockets of the big corporations.
-Not the media, because the most powerfull media corporations are doing everything to warn us about the danger of these globalists and elites all the time, that want to trick us into a socialist hell. I can't imagine they spent all those resources and all that money to warn us about themselves.

No, i don't know this greta thunberg, but i don't think she is a hired actor or that she's working for globalists or elites, or that she is trying to scam anyone.

Our very own snozzleberry is an environmentalist too. Maybe even a little more passionate than this thunberg girl is.

Now there's many things you can say about our snozz, but i don't think elite globalist scammer is one of them. :lol:

 

[hug46]

They are just trying to fool you into a fullblown socialist hell.

^That^ actually sounds quite appealing..

This girl is saying what science has been saying for decades and getting it in the public domain and everyone is blathering on about her age, pr puppets and sustainable planet globalists. Is this some kind of shared cognitive dissonance experience we're having here?

I would hazard a guess that all those that are complaining about her age are male and either in or approaching their thirties and have "been around" enough to think that they have a handle on things and the ones going on about pr stuff and mass media manipulation simply get their information from equally (or probably more) questionable sources.

 

[dragonrider]

They are just trying to fool you into a fullblown socialist hell.

^That^ actually sounds quite appealing..

This girl is saying what science has been saying for decades and getting it in the public domain and everyone is blathering on about her age, pr puppets and sustainable planet globalists. Is this some kind of shared cognitive dissonance experience we're having here?

I would hazard a guess that all those that are complaining about her age are male and either in or approaching their thirties and have "been around" enough to think that they have a handle on things and the ones going on about pr stuff and mass media manipulation simply get their information from equally (or probably more) questionable sources.

I think you may be right there.

But that means it's time to face the fact that the global, collective effort needed to minimize climate change, is not going to happen.

We simply lack the consensus and unity needed. And that is not going to change anytime soon.

Therefore, i think that greta thunberg is unfortunately wrong. What she wants is not possible.

And so, instead of trying to prevent the innevitable from happening, we should now focus on a plan B. Wich is damage controll.

And that might actually work, because it will be mostly a matter of local affairs. Building levees, water basins, desalination plants, drainage systems, shifting from growing one crop to another. That sort of things.

It's all going to be about water this century. And having too much or too little of it.

 

[Tony6Strings]

Poor girl needs a xanax. Imagine having all that on your mind at that age.

 

[Praxis.]

Poor girl needs a xanax. Imagine having all that on your mind at that age.

Imagine having all that on your mind at that age, knowing it will be you and your peers who will have to deal with the consequences of what you can clearly see happening in front of you, and then being called a 'globalist puppet' by a room full of adults who've reaped all the benefits of a dysfunctional extractive economy you'll be left to clean up after.

Cynicism is healthy and all, and I get the emotional spectacle of the whole thing is a bit much - but I honestly don't understand some of the knee-jerk reactions here. See the forest through the trees, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Believe all you want about the motivations of this girl or the people who gave her a platform, but don't let your feelings obscure what we objectively know is happening to the climate.

It's on us to create real pressure on the people and institutions who have the power to actually do anything on a meaningful scale. I really don't get how anyone can acknowledge that climate change is happening and yet simultaneously try to frame it as a partisan issue pushed by "liberal globalists", while choosing to do nothing themselves. Cognitive dissonance is a serious understatement. :?

 

[Nydex]

Poor girl needs a xanax. Imagine having all that on your mind at that age.

Imagine having all that on your mind at that age, knowing it will be you and your peers who will have to deal with the consequences of what you can clearly see happening in front of you, and then being called a 'globalist puppet' by a room full of adults who've reaped all the benefits of a dysfunctional extractive economy you'll be left to clean up after.

Cynicism is healthy and all, and I get the emotional spectacle of the whole thing is a bit much - but I honestly don't understand some of the knee-jerk reactions here. See the forest through the trees, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Believe all you want about the motivations of this girl or the people who gave her a platform, but don't let your feelings obscure what we objectively know is happening to the climate.

It's on us to create real pressure on the people and institutions who have the power to actually do anything on a meaningful scale. I really don't get how anyone can acknowledge that climate change is happening and yet simultaneously try to frame it as a partisan issue pushed by "liberal globalists", while choosing to do nothing themselves. Cognitive dissonance is a serious understatement. :?

Yes, yes and yes. That's exactly how I feel about this entire thing. Thank you for putting it in words so much better than I could.

Of course, what she wants directly is not currently possible, but in a similar fashion when negotiating a new salary don't we always shoot a number way bigger than what we know can be offered at us, hoping that the real offer is at least somewhat satisfactory? A weird comparison, I know, but logical in a way.

 

[Jees]

It's an emotional slaughter field. The climate shouldn't have a political colour, we see now that it is heavily political coloured. Why? Because there is no scientifically agreement, now hearth and emotion rule. If 97% of scientists agree, then ask on what exactly they agree, and on what not. Pandora's box right there!

The lack of nuances in this matter opens a lot of lines-of-thought, different angles, it's a complex matter and everyone feels a knee-jerk here or there.

The climate activists where I live ask immediate stopping of the nuclear stations and closing of all factories with a chimney (so to speak). Then in the mean time we should search for solutions in the hope to find them. This kind of reactions is asking for being knee jerked, this is provoking. It's normal people get cynical and suspicious this way.

I don't think there's a lot of disagreement about where to go in the long run, it's just the manner how exactly. The activists hate the stalling, the relativists hate the sheer panic state. I understand both actually.