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how is it any different?
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It is actually a very similar process. I say similar because there are some variations in the chemical properties of the two molecules. I won't get into the specifics for various reasons, but leave it to say that if you use a cocaine extraction tek for DMT, it's not optimal and vice versa.
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Coke is Schedule II in US so freebasing dmt is even worse crime from the law viewpoint. :|
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melotikaci said:
This is why our government has no credibility when it comes to drugs. With the exception of cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine, most of the illegal drugs are actually fairly safe. And then there is ritalin. One can go doctor shopping in most places in the US and "legally" get your hands on what is essentially the same thing as street meth with the exception that it is much more pure. Even cocaine and heroin if made with a clean process are no more dangerous or addictive than liquor. Their war on drugs does much more harm than good, just to make some ultra conservatives feel safer that their children aren't taking drugs, when in reality, by pushing them underground means there is no control or regulation and the most dangerous drugs end up being sold in high schools and colleges where their precious spawn can trade their allowance for a bag of dirty meth that's going to rot their teeth out and turn them into an unstable spastic Skelator.
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Absolutely agree with you.syberdelic said:
Supporters of current narcopolitics are either retarded or pure evil. They've done much more harm to the society than the drugs. And if drugs did any harm at all to anyone I think it's the goverments fault and responsibility exactly because of their ignorant, stupid and evil War On Drugs politics.
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GuruD said:how is extracting pure white dmt from a plant and freebasing it any different than extracting pure white cocaine from a plant and freebasing that?
I don't understand.
The difference being two vastly opposite molecules and properties! Similar process, yes, but there's a major differentiation here. One can isolate and synth sugar from just about any fruit/vegetable, y'know. :lol:
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A conjugate acid is a base that has had a hydrogen ion connected to it, a base that has become protonated.
For example:
When forming the fumarate salt of DMT, the DMT-freebase is the base that is receiving a proton from the fumaric acid, the fumaric acid and DMT base react and neutralize, forming the fumarate salt of DMT, and the conjugate base is what's left of the fumaric acid acid after it has protonated the DMT.
·An acid readily gives up a proton (H+)
·A base readily accepts a proton
The conjugate acid is the protonated base, and the conjugate base is what's left of the acid after its donated it's hydrogen ion (proton).
When you react an acid and a base, the deprotonated base accepts a hydrogen ion from the acid, which causes a neutralization of acidic or basic properties with the formation of a salt. The acid used determines the salt form, so HCL gives the hydrochloride, H2S04 gives the sulfate, acetic acid gives the acetate, and so on...
In chemistry A "free base" is the depronotated form of an amine.
So provided you have an amine, you can have its free base.
When you buy a medication and you see"HCL" after the name of the drug it means the free base of that compound was subjected to an acid base neutralization with hydrochloric acid forming the hydrochloride salt.
With cocaine, the freebase and the hydrochloride salt have special market relations, initially the freebase was being produced in one south American country from the coca plants, Then this free-base cocaine "paste" is shipped to another country to be formed into cocaine hydrochloride, which is the powder cocaine sold on the black market. Now, freebase cocaine producers, manufacturing from the coca plant, have recently learned how to produce the hydrochloride salt of cocaine from the freebase cocaine "paste", making shipping over borders for this process obsolete, placing countries like Peru as centers for cocaine production rather than countries like Columbia. When you "crack" cocaine, you are "breaking" the hydrochloride salt into its freebase form using NaHCO₃as a base.... most people think "freebase" is a method of smoking cocaine or other drugs on foil, this is nonsense, and while freebase compounds may be smoked on foil, the term is related to chemistry.
Any way...
Any amine can have free base and protonated forms...
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For example:
When forming the fumarate salt of DMT, the DMT-freebase is the base that is receiving a proton from the fumaric acid, the fumaric acid and DMT base react and neutralize, forming the fumarate salt of DMT, and the conjugate base is what's left of the fumaric acid acid after it has protonated the DMT.
·An acid readily gives up a proton (H+)
·A base readily accepts a proton
The conjugate acid is the protonated base, and the conjugate base is what's left of the acid after its donated it's hydrogen ion (proton).
When you react an acid and a base, the deprotonated base accepts a hydrogen ion from the acid, which causes a neutralization of acidic or basic properties with the formation of a salt. The acid used determines the salt form, so HCL gives the hydrochloride, H2S04 gives the sulfate, acetic acid gives the acetate, and so on...
Acid–Base Reactions: Neutralization Reactions
When a strong acid and a strong base solution are mixed, a neutralization reaction occurs, and the products do not have characteristics of either acids or bases. Instead, a neutral salt and water are formed. Look at the reaction below:
HCl(aq) + NaOH(aq)H2O(l) + NaCl(aq)
The anion from the acid (Cl–) reacts with the cation from the base (Na+) to give a salt, and a salt is defined as any compound formed whose anion came from an acid and whose cation came from a base.
When a strong acid and a weak base are mixed, the resulting salt will be acidic; likewise, if a strong base and a weak acid are mixed, the resulting salt will be basic. If on the SAT II Chemistry test you are asked to determine if a salt formed in a particular reaction is neutral, acidic, or basic, first ask yourself, Which acid reacted with which base to form this salt? Next ask yourself, Was the acid strong or weak? and then, Was the base strong or weak? Consider K2CO3. K2CO3 is formed when the base, potassium hydroxide (which is strong since potassium is a 1A metal), reacts with the acid, H2CO3 (which is weak since it isn’t one of our six strong acids). Since this is a combination of a strong base and a weak acid, the salt formed will be basic.
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In chemistry A "free base" is the depronotated form of an amine.
So provided you have an amine, you can have its free base.
When you buy a medication and you see"HCL" after the name of the drug it means the free base of that compound was subjected to an acid base neutralization with hydrochloric acid forming the hydrochloride salt.
With cocaine, the freebase and the hydrochloride salt have special market relations, initially the freebase was being produced in one south American country from the coca plants, Then this free-base cocaine "paste" is shipped to another country to be formed into cocaine hydrochloride, which is the powder cocaine sold on the black market. Now, freebase cocaine producers, manufacturing from the coca plant, have recently learned how to produce the hydrochloride salt of cocaine from the freebase cocaine "paste", making shipping over borders for this process obsolete, placing countries like Peru as centers for cocaine production rather than countries like Columbia. When you "crack" cocaine, you are "breaking" the hydrochloride salt into its freebase form using NaHCO₃as a base.... most people think "freebase" is a method of smoking cocaine or other drugs on foil, this is nonsense, and while freebase compounds may be smoked on foil, the term is related to chemistry.
Any way...
Any amine can have free base and protonated forms...
-eg
Cocaine can easily cause death by overdose.
DMT can convince you that you are dead but it is like dying with an invisible rope attached to you and at the end of 10 minutes or so of seemingly checking out the afterlife/hyperspace, the entities/something/someone place "you" back into your "real life" body while having a nice chuckle at your astonishment. All without actually dying. That's a plus in my book!
DMT can convince you that you are dead but it is like dying with an invisible rope attached to you and at the end of 10 minutes or so of seemingly checking out the afterlife/hyperspace, the entities/something/someone place "you" back into your "real life" body while having a nice chuckle at your astonishment. All without actually dying. That's a plus in my book!
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The only similarity between DMT and cocaine is that they are both amines, and both can have free base and salt forms. ...well they are both alkaloids, both found in plants, both have a long history of human use, both made illegal in the modern world, both used in south America as entheogens*, and so on, they are noting alike in every truly important way.
*coca leaf is essential to certain types of south American shamanism, and is a widely used plant through out the region, where the raw leaf is chewed, sometimes mixed with a natural base.
I can't stand that the chemistry term "free base" got so heavily tied to cocaine. Now any time you say "free base" in reference to the non-protonated form of an amine people automatically think you are talking about cocaine or some specific smoking technique...
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*coca leaf is essential to certain types of south American shamanism, and is a widely used plant through out the region, where the raw leaf is chewed, sometimes mixed with a natural base.
I can't stand that the chemistry term "free base" got so heavily tied to cocaine. Now any time you say "free base" in reference to the non-protonated form of an amine people automatically think you are talking about cocaine or some specific smoking technique...
-eg
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