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The Electric Hippy

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Hello all. I tried doing a search for this and it turned up nothing. Perhaps someone here could help me.

I recently ordered some 5x and 10x salvia from a reputable vendor. I will be trying the 5x first, of course. I've read how easy it is to overdo it on salvia and so I am looking to find out just how much I should smoke. I do not have access to a scale at this time. Is it comparable to high grade cannabis, where half a bowl is a medium dose and a whole bowl is a high dose? Or should I just load half a bowl and smoke one hit at a time until I get effects?

Thanks for your time.
 
Don't take my word for it but I would assume that it is 5x the amount of salvinorin a that the same weight of normal would have.

Example:

1gram of plant material has 10mg of salvinorin a

5x = 1gram of plant material has 50mg of salvinorin a

Note that this is just my interpretation and the ratio of weight and milligrams are inaccurate and should NOT, I say *NOT* taken literally.
 
no it is not comparable to high grade cannabis at all. If you smoke half a bowl of 5x you might be in for WAY more than you are prepared for.

1 full bowl of plain leaf is often enough for things to start to get interesting for me..5x is 5 times as strong as plain leaf..so half a bowl of that is like smoking 2.5 bowls of plain leaf all at once..which is not unheard of at all but I mean, it's not a walk in the park either.

..and def dont dose like that with the 10x..

Just start with a pinch of the 5x and see if you need more..make sure you hold it in really long. If you need more than go from there. Remember there is a sensitivity that builds after a few exposures..you do NOT build tolerance to salvia..it's the other way around..so be aware of that.

If you want to just load half a bowl and hit it slowly than go for it..just be careful not to burn it all up in one hit..
 
Thank you DeDao and Jamie. That is exactly what I'm looking for. I think I'm going to just load one hit at a time and go from there. How long would you recommend waiting inbetween each dose? This is my first time trying it, so I'm not sure. Also, can the extract be quidded? Perhaps put underneath the lip like a dip?
 
Salvia is a unique plant with reverse tolerance properties. Also proper smoking technique was always necessary for me to achieve a breakthrough. I would just put a Pinch in a water pipe, keep the lighter on the bowl the whole time your hitting it, and hold the hit for around 20 seconds. After doing this I start feeling effects right as I exhale. 20x is too powerful for me these days, though I used to take three consecutive hits back a few years ago.
 
The Electric Hippy said:
Hello all. I tried doing a search for this and it turned up nothing. Perhaps someone here could help me.

I recently ordered some 5x and 10x salvia from a reputable vendor. I will be trying the 5x first, of course. I've read how easy it is to overdo it on salvia and so I am looking to find out just how much I should smoke. I do not have access to a scale at this time. Is it comparable to high grade cannabis, where half a bowl is a medium dose and a whole bowl is a high dose? Or should I just load half a bowl and smoke one hit at a time until I get effects?

Thanks for your time.
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Have you looked at the sticky?

All About Salvia Dosing
 
The Electric Hippy said:
I did, but without a scale (mine is broken) it's hard for me to measure a dose.
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Attached is a photo from Sage Wisdom showing a 25mg dose next to a penny.

For comparison, an average dose of 5X is about 80mg, and an average dose of 10X is about 40mg.
 

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5x and 10x are both very good starting points. I started with 15x. Are you new to salvia? Id also recommend buying an ounce or two of the plain leaf. Its very cheap and it will produce mild effects to give you an idea of what youre getting into. Salvia has a reverse tolerance so the more you smoke the stronger it gets.

I would just load a good cannabis sized bowl and take a small rip and ghost it. I smoke 50x from a very reputable vendor. It is their strongest extract. Salvia is very easy to take it that next step beyond. You might as well dive in once you understand what its like. Salvia is one of my favorite entheogens. But many do not like it due to its very confusing and forceful nature. You just have to surrender and let it all go if you're in over your head. Try to relax because it can get very intense like DMT. Salvia feels more earthy and cartoony. The smell alone brings me to salvia land. Same how the smell of DMT brings me closer to dmt space
 
RoGu3 said:
5x and 10x are both very good starting points. I started with 15x. Are you new to salvia? Id also recommend buying an ounce or two of the plain leaf. Its very cheap and it will produce mild effects to give you an idea of what youre getting into. Salvia has a reverse tolerance so the more you smoke the stronger it gets.

I would just load a good cannabis sized bowl and take a small rip and ghost it. I smoke 50x from a very reputable vendor. It is their strongest extract...
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In my opinion, a reputable salvia vendor would not be selling 50X extract.

A strong dose of legitimate 50X extract is about 8mg. Unless you have a sub-milligram accuracy scale, it would be very difficult to properly dose.

To “load a good sized cannabis bowl” is never a good way to measure salvia extracts, especially more potent ones.
 
I have to second what gibran said. Whenever I see people saying things like "I would just load a good cannabis sized bowl and take a small rip and ghost it." and "You might as well dive in once you understand what its like." I have to pipe up.

Dosage is key, especially with stronger extracts. A pinch at a time (maybe 20 - 30mg) is where I would start with any extract I had purchased. And gibran is right, a reputable vendor wouldn't be selling a 50x. So if it's not a true 50x, then they're mislabeling their product to increase sales. Not reputable IMO.

Also, I still don't understand Salvia in many ways, and I've been smoking it for quite a few years now, without any long term break. It's something that defies categorization. Once you attempt to do that, you end up with horrifying and confusing experiences.

That said, I really like how you started off..
RoGu3 said:
"Id also recommend buying an ounce or two of the plain leaf. Its very cheap and it will produce mild effects to give you an idea of what youre getting into. Salvia has a reverse tolerance so the more you smoke the stronger it gets."
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That is where I think everyone should start. Some people can get very intense experiences from plain leaf alone. Or if you smoke it regularly enough like I've done, your tolerance becomes so low that the plain leaf is often enough.

I just want to see people give it the same respect that they would to something like DMT. It's every bit as powerful and even potentially dangerous if handled incorrectly.
 
So, my salvia came in last night and I got to experiment with it a few hours ago after work. Time for a trip report!


- 8:30am: Loaded half a bowl of 5x leaf. Took the first pull. Held 20 seconds. Waited. I noticed it was very different from other psychadelics in that it seemed to have an old, ancient like spirit. Felt the asymmetrical pull/roping effect. Was surprised one toke took me that far.
- 8:35am: Finished the last hit. More pulling, light OEV's, moderate CEV's
- 8:45am: Stepped outside onto my back porch. Loaded another 2 hits into the bowl. Took one then another back to back. The roping effect felt significantly stronger than before. I started to notice it felt similar to DMT; I could feel the pull into the other realm. Beautiful CEV's. Lots of fractals and splitting of different visuals.
- 9:00am: Wander back into my room where the trip started. I decide to do one more "double hitter" then put the leaf away for now. After ingesting, I sat meditating and entered a room filled with eyes. Everything had eyes. Hands, leafs, etc. I felt the peak die down, and I opened my eyes to my desktop background on my computer. It is a picture of two paper mache psychadelic people. I made eye contact with the person on the right, and immediately felt a very deep sense of respect and admiration for him. I said in a very quiet voice "Dude, I respect you". I realized 2 seconds later what had happened, and I began to laugh out loud uncontrollably.


Very pleasant. In and out quickly, painlessly. I can tell this is going to be one of my favorite entheogens, and I plan to get a plant ASAP.

Thank you Nexus, for having this forum here and for patiently answering all of my questions.
 
acacian said:
glad you had such a positive experience :)
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Thank you!

Just so I don't have to keep making new threads, I'll just ask this here. I smoked about 6-8 hits a few days ago and got somewhat strong effects from 5x. Just now, 3 inhales of 5x was pretty intesne. Nothing I could not handle, but I was a bit surprised. How long does the reverse tolerance last? Is there a point in time where you have to build it back up (In other words, if I wait _______ amount of time, will my reverse tolerance go away)?
 
The Electric Hippy said:
Just so I don't have to keep making new threads, I'll just ask this here. I smoked about 6-8 hits a few days ago and got somewhat strong effects from 5x. Just now, 3 inhales of 5x was pretty intesne. Nothing I could not handle, but I was a bit surprised. How long does the reverse tolerance last? Is there a point in time where you have to build it back up (In other words, if I wait _______ amount of time, will my reverse tolerance go away)?
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Reverse tolerance subjectively seems to be the establishment of a relationship with the plant. The brain learns how to “cooperate” with the plant, and once learned, the knowledge is always there.

I’ve had long periods of non-use, and when I come back to it, there is no loss of reverse-tolerance. It seems to be a more or less permanent change.
 
Yep, it's just like riding a bike! :D

I have never taken a really long break from Salvia since I first found it years ago, but when I went about six or seven months it was like I never stopped. My tolerance is so low at this point that one hit of plain leaf the other night and I almost broke through. I still have a 15x that even the thought of terrifies me. I would probably only need a 5 - 8mg dosage of that stuff.
 
I know how you feel, Dio. I haven't even opened my 10x bag, and it may be quite a while before I do! That stuff scares me. My 5x is plenty potent enough.
 
gibran2 said:
Reverse tolerance subjectively seems to be the establishment of a relationship with the plant. The brain learns how to “cooperate” with the plant, and once learned, the knowledge is always there.
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Totally. I suspect there isn't actually a chemical reverse-tolerance at work at all but rather a kind of "graduation from salvia university" that you tend towards with practice. What once was frighteningly strange becomes familiar. What once was ominous becomes friendly. You just have to learn a little "Salvia language."
 
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