How to "combat" malevolent entities in hyperspace?

[edge2054]

It took me awhile to come to understand them. It started with the gnomes, playful entities that expressed love and joy. Then it was my anxiety which I first encountered on DMT as a writhing little maggot but that I managed to confront and appreciate on a mushroom trip. Then I encountered a loving female presence while on Rue + smoked DMT followed by a dark raging entity trapped behind a thin fleshy film.

A couple of days later while on LSD I realized I'd been repressing anger towards my father and called him to let him know how I feel. This was when I started to put the pieces together.

As I see it the gnomes are my inner child, long forgotten but now remembered. The writhing thing my anxiety which I hadn't been paying attention too, long underappreciated. The loving female entity (mother Gaia as I came to think of her) was my anima, or the female aspect of myself. The raging entity was anger I repressed for thirty years (fully justified anger by the way).

After this I started to work on reconnecting with my emotions.

On my most recent expedition, first time with oral DMT, I encountered a dark entity in a trench coat wearing a hat who would pop in, says something, and then pop out. I realized that he was the skeptical part of myself and that he serves a purpose, to keep me grounded. I also encountered the predator aspect of myself, which was quite terrifying at first. I moved into it and explored it so I would be better able to recognize him when he pops up in daily life.

Basically I have this theory that when we repress our feelings we're too busy fighting them to recognize them and that that's when we're in danger of getting carried away by them. When we stop, ask ourselves why they exist, what they're trying to tell us, and accept that they're part of the human condition we can relax, appreciate them for what they are, and integrate them back into ourselves.

Or to put it in more mystical terms. You 'combat' dark entities with love, acceptance, and appreciation. Then the demons really become angels.

 

[edge2054]

Also...

Generally I don't do this because I'm not a trained therapist and I even if I was I don't know OPs fiancee... but considering the circumstances I'm going to say it anyway. From here it looks to me like she's wrestling with some self worth issues and thoughts of harming herself. I really suggest she see a therapist if she's not already.

*edit* Also there's no shame in seeking help. We all struggle with these things from time to time and maybe I'm projecting but I like to think that I recognize what she's going through because I've been there myself and struggle with the same feelings. I hope the best for you both

 

[AstraLex]

Hello OP and all others,

How to combat the malevolent entities?

Mental self control, accepting things, letting go and such are good and well, but they are not a cure. When you are deep, deep down ‘there’ - those things simply do not exist. You don’t exist in the way you exist now, while in front of your computer. There are only you, ‘they’ and eternity in between.

The only thing that seemed to work in such situations was the help from a very powerful light ally, in my personal case it was Jesus Christ who saved my ass. To be honest, I can’t think of anybody else who could do the trick, but that’s just my opinion.

Peace and good luck!

 

[Hieronymous]

I don't know about others but I've always had the comfort of knowing that I was in the midst of a chemically induced experience.

No matter how gnarly or real it seems at the time, I still know it's a temporary experience that I decided to partake in, after a while I know it will subside and fade away.

If I encounter a malevolent entity I have the comfort of knowing it can't physically harm me and eventually it will fade into insignificance, so I just acknowledge it and don't focus on it.

One trick I like to use is to try to look around the scene or entity (I even physically move my head to one side trying to see what's behind it) like it is someone with a boof head that's decided to stand in front of me at a concert etc. I just see it as a minor annoyance getting in the way of the show I wanted to see.

I tend to think that these "malevolent entities" are most likely aspects of our own psyche like fears and aspects of dreams etc. so if I created it then I think I have every right to re-establish it's priority level by how much attention I give it.

The suicide motif could be indicative of changes on a personal level that your fiancée is experiencing. It could be something as simple as frustration she is experiencing in her day to day life. It could also signify personal growth and the awakening of her spiritual nature.

In a dream suicide can be a symbolic representation of someone who has decided to reinvent themselves and is separating themselves from "the old me" a symbolic death so the "new me" can flourish.

The fact that she went back and took DMT again after the first time she experienced the suicide motif (only to experience it again) shows me she has a very strong will and is a very courageous & determined person - one experience like that would have scared many off DMT for the rest of their life.

Ask her to read this link on suicide in dreams
Suicide in dreams

Namaste

 

[SKA]

^^ Indeed it does... until it doesn't.

I agree with SKA on everything he said, and heartily recommend getting to that place of detachment and self control where you can calmly stare down the buggers. If they are merely testing your metal, it always works out okay.

BUT, there are entities that can not be dealt with so easily. If things go really south for you, it really helps to have some powerful allies. There usually comes a time, if you journey long enough, where all your wiles and skills and discipline amount to nothing, and the only thing that helps is invoking some serious light beings to aid you. As such, it kind of helps to have cultivated these friendships beforehand. It also increases your ability to stand your ground if you know you that some heavies have your back.

About that which I highlighted in your post...

Are they entities that cannot be dealt with so easily(as other gnarly entities)?
Or are these entities just significantly better actors? Is their theatre just alot
more convincing than that of average negative entities?

I'm in favor of the latter explanation.
Because..appart from scaring you shitless....what can they really do?

I've never had any serious or lasting problems after encountering even the most vile demons. Have you? I've been scared, sure. But they've never proven to me that they can be harmfull, beyond using terror & seduction. Empty threats aren't so threatening at all once you realise they're empty.

If you still disagree then you'll have to explain what else they can do, beyond theatre, that is worthy of concern.

 

[cheiron]

I had some experience with this. Somehow it is kind of archetypical, with the Central Light as a means to defeat Darkness. But maybe that's way these kinds of 'magic' work; the more archetypical, the more they seem to be able to connect to an individual...

I entered hyperspace and saw demons. Their skin was hard like a shell, they were dark, opaque. They were interested in the angry emotions someone in my social life felt towards me and fed on those emotions. Now they came after me, either trying to scare me, or maybe searching for angry or dark emotions on my part. I was afraid. There were angelic beings, white and transparent. They explained to me how these demons connect to the emotions of humans. They instructed me how to encounter them without fear. First I had to connect deeply to the experience of the living light at the center of the Universe, the radiating source of love. I could feel this source, I saw it radiating light. Then they instructed me to make my heart a mirror, reflecting this love, this source of light. With this reflection in my heart I encountered the demons. My soul, my heart radiated love and light. The demons were not able to come closer and went away.

This is my hmmm chapter 31 in my Teachings from Hyperspace.

I also read some resemblance with the suggestion from Hyperspace Fool:

There usually comes a time, if you journey long enough, where all your wiles and skills and discipline amount to nothing, and the only thing that helps is invoking some serious light beings to aid you.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Are they entities that cannot be dealt with so easily(as other gnarly entities)?
Or are these entities just significantly better actors? Is their theatre just alot
more convincing than that of average negative entities?

I'm in favor of the latter explanation.
Because..appart from scaring you shitless....what can they really do?

I've never had any serious or lasting problems after encountering even the most vile demons. Have you? I've been scared, sure. But they've never proven to me that they can be harmfull, beyond using terror & seduction. Empty threats aren't so threatening at all once you realise they're empty.

If you still disagree then you'll have to explain what else they can do, beyond theatre, that is worthy of concern.

Well SKA... I usually don't want to get into too much detail about this stuff, and tended to avoid mention of the malevolent entities altogether as I don't want to plant suggestion for people or influence anyone to have such experiences because they read about them in one of my posts. I never even mention them specifically in my entire Entities entry in the Hyperspace Lexicon.

However, since there have been so many threads like this cropping up, and so many trip reports with these kinds of experiences... and I have had a ton of my friends, and colleagues (many Nexians included) specifically come to me with these experiences of late, I feel obligated to let people know what I have seen in over 35 years of heavy and regular entheogen usage, including long stints of hanging out with Mescaleros, Ayahuasceros and even some Brujos.

So, to answer your questions. IME:

1) There are entities that are orders of magnitude more gnarly than the ones that scare people shitless. Not just run of the mill demons, hostile aliens, parasites and the like that you hear about regularly, but arch-fiends, demon princes and other, often vicious, alien things that are not only malevolent, but incredibly powerful and of an intelligence that dwarfs all human genius combined into insignificance. Beings of this sort are dangerous enough here, while you are in your normal consensual reality... when you venture into their home turf, they can make mince meat of even very experienced psychonauts. Read through the myths, legends and religious works and you will find a plethora of references to things like Beelzebub, Ravana, Mephistoles, Taraka, Kali, Tiamat, Azazel... Cthulhu.

2) I've had dark entities follow me home, set traps for me, attempt to destroy me, and even hide inside of me for long periods of time unknown to me, while they sabotaged me and sucked energy from me. And this is despite the fact that I have a lot of experience dealing with them, and can handle legions of the lesser sort with ease on my own... and I have a good deal of very heavy angelic beings who protect and aid me. But even still, my experiences pale compared to those I have witnessed in other people. I have seen people get possessed and start going all exorcist in front of me. I have seen people snap and never come back again... ending up in mental hospitals or committing suicide to drive out the evil voices in their heads. I have seen people manifest spontaneous wounds or contract illnesses... and I have seen people become evil and murderous, doing incredible harm to themselves and others.

Whatever you personally believe, or are in favor of believing... there is a reason why it is fairly universal for cultures woldwide with no previous contact with each other to have witch doctors, exorcists, and shaman who specialize in healing the possessed, or other such "professional" demon banishers. This is what Jesus and the Apostles were doing when they went around casting out devils and demons. This stuff is in Islam, Zoroastrianism, Tibetan Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, and nearly every Native American Religion I have ever seen. It is in Wicca and the Celtic religion. Viking and Teutonic beliefs... Zulu, Ibo, Bwiti and every other African culture I know of. There is nowhere and no-when on this globe you can go where people are not aware of these beings and have not developed very pointed methods of dealing with them.

Often this involved placating these beings or serving them. Many of the beings worshiped in Babylonian, Aztec and latter day Mayan cultures for instance... were hoary demons who wanted blood sacrifice. If you don't believe me, go find a ruin that hasn't been cleared of its resident evils and smoalk some changa there. Better yet, don't. I have done a variety of entheogens at such ruins and ancient sites of mass murder, and let me tell you... it is no joke.

The threats that some of these beings make are far from empty. It is not theater to them. They have nothing to gain from posturing and posing for you. Beings that engage in that sort of thing are 3rd rate charlatans or minor demons at best. If you haven't encountered any beings that are the real deal, be grateful. Be happy they have not taken an interest in you. Of course, most people are not even aware of it even when they are regularly victimized by such creatures. They can easily cause you to forget or never even experience them directly. People often come out of their possessed trances and remember absolutely nothing and are very shocked to see people standing around them wide eyed and terrified.

Considering that most trippers I have met remember only a handful of events from their journeys, despite the fact that time can be so dilated that you can spend literal eternities in these spaces... tells me that it is quite possible that people would not recall having ever met some of these guys. Perhaps it would eventually come out as they became more skilled, or under hypnosis.

I myself was using Salvia extracts of over 100x that I made from a large number of plants that I personally cultivated perhaps 10 times before I had such a brutally intense experience with a sitter to watch me and was able to remember all of the experiences I had blanked... experiences which amounted to being kidnapped by military style armies of salvia beings that came through that portal that opens up and bum rushed me, flattened me into 2 dimensions, roughed me up and taunted me, then took me with them back through their vortex into their wild legoland realm where they fed me into machines that scanned me and shaved pieces of me off... all the while laughing at how pathetic and helpless I was to do anything about it. This might have been okay and shrugged off as a hard and unpleasant trip if my sitter had not seen much of what they were doing to me... including me hovering off the ground as they slapped me silly, and the indentations of feet on my body when they turned me into a stairway and marched up and down me. In the end, they flung me 15 feet across an outdoor covered porch to land mostly on a mattress but force my hand to land precisely in a way that just my pinky finger hit a sharp edge of a post and left a clean and perfectly horizontal cut there. When I came to, my sitter was white as if he had seen a ghost and made sure I was okay, then he immediately left and never wanted to see me again. He literally fled from me every time he saw me. I had to corner him weeks later to demand that he tell me what he saw...

So, my friend. Believe what you will. But I warn you. If you are wrong, the costs are not always just a bad trip.

 

[SKA]

You mostly mention them "setting traps" for you and "sucking energy".
If this happened when you didn't smoalk dmt, but afterwards you may be experiencing a psychosis of some sort.
I really don't mean to attack you but those sound like paranoid delusions. Textbook paranoid delusions.

You seem to state "being followed back home", these beings "Sabotage you and suck your energy",
but what evidence do you have to back this up? Really? What evidence do you have that convinced
you that these assaults are real other than ideas in your head?

Could it perhaps be that there are no facts supporting these claims and that they are solely based on
ideas and thoughts? Because that's really what it sounds like to me.

I recognise these paranoid delusions so well, because I have suffered from them significantly myself.


And yet I am willing to admit these demons exist. And the particulair trick they played on you was to
plant the seeds of fear in you. And it seems to have worked. You are living in constant fear obviously.
And if fear is left to fester & grow inside of you long enough it will start to degrade your Rationality.
And when your Rationality degrades you start making all kinds of illusions & become paranoid. They don't suck your energy. You say that because you feel drained. You feel drained because with all this fearing & worrying their hollow threats you have drained your own energy. They caused you to drain out your own energy. Only you can stop this.



You can liberate yourself from this trickery by simply not fearing it anymore. You would not fear these
demons & their trickery anymore if you realised how weak they REALLY are. Trust me on this: If they've convinced you the threat is real, it is only because their Theatre is SO damn good.....But it's still only theatre.
Freedom from this fear is just a step away. But it's your call

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Heheheh... I am not the least bit irrational or psychotic. If it makes you feel better to believe that about me, go right ahead, as I care very little what you think.

Perhaps your psychoses were caused by demonic encounters that you are blocking out? What evidence do you have that your model of "not being able to harm you" is correct?

You mostly You mostly mention them "setting traps" for you and "sucking energy"

If by mostly you mean once in a very long post filled with other even more intriguing pieces of evidence... I should probably mention that some of the "traps" they set for me include manipulating some of their human pawns to do things like kidnap me in Mexico and attempt physical violence on my person.

If you read my last post and only grafted onto the setting traps and sucking energy, perhaps you are not able to deal with what I actually said?

I, on the other hand, have spent a lot of time with people who lead medicine circles as their main work in life. I have led hundreds of people into hyperspace, and am perfectly capable of handling myself as well as protecting and holding space for people less able than me.

As such, I am not afraid of any of these creatures, but I know better than to write them off as delusions. As I said, I have watched people get possessed and speak in voices not their own only to come back and not remember what happened.

I think you do yourself a disservice to ignore the writings and traditions of literally every culture the globe over, though. Perhaps you are a cultural elitist and feel that anybody who doesn't ascribe to your rational materialism is delusional? Perhaps the literally hundreds of thousands of accounts of these creatures in literature spanning the globe and the millenia means nothing to you...

In any event, your attacking me doesn't mean a hill of beans frankly.

The people who know what I am talking about will understand what I am saying.

Obviously, there are quite a lot of people here on the Nexus who feel similar to the way I do, or there wouldn't be thread after thread about this subject with people asking for... often begging for... help with dealing with these entities that have caused people real and tangible harm. Sicknesses and disease, driving people to madness and suicide... these are not things that are purely thoughts. And even if they were, they are not thoughts that people want to have. They come from somewhere.

It seems to me you have chosen not to even read what I wrote. Or if you did, you have chosen to graft onto setting traps and sucking energy rather than dealing with the massive amount of other information I provided.

You talk about theater and weak demons... and maybe that is all you know about. But trust me when I say that the really hard core dark entities out there don't put on any show... they don't try to inspire you with fear... they simply fuck you up. And, they do this often surreptitiously without you even being aware of it. How is this then succumbing to fear of a meaningless theater?

But again, my friend... believe what you will. I wish you the best, and hope that you don't have to find out what I am talking about the hard way. Though it sounds like you may have already had some damage to your psyche that you are choosing to ignore. I don't know why someone like you who has had paranoid delusions would continue to use entheogens, though. If you showed up at one of my medicine circles, I would not give you the brew. You don't say whether you have been hospitalized or are on drugs for your psychotic breaks, but even if you didn't and aren't... your glib attitude and hostility towards the traditions of the people who actually brought us these entheogens in the first place would be enough for me to not want to guide you.

The fact is that I am not alone in my understanding of these things. I did not force my sitter (someone who never took these substances himself) to see what he saw. He wouldn't have reacted as he did if these things were all in my head. It may be hard for you to stomach or accept, but people have been seriously talking about these things since as long as we have historical records. If that doesn't mean anything to you, then... oh well.

I really do wish you the best. I sincerely hope you never have to learn about these things the way others that I have known well, and cared about had to.

 

[cheiron]

I tend to think that these "malevolent entities" are most likely aspects of our own psyche like fears and aspects of dreams etc. so if I created it then I think I have every right to re-establish it's priority level by how much attention I give it.

The fact is that I am not alone in my understanding of these things. I did not force my sitter (someone who never took these substances himself) to see what he saw. He wouldn't have reacted as he did if these things were all in my head. It may be hard for you to stomach or accept, but people have been seriously talking about these things since as long as we have historical records.

Textbook paranoid delusions.

Sounds like we're running into an ontological discussion about the status of the entities. Autonomous Archetypical Parts of our own Subconsciousness, Autonomous Entities able to interact with our physical reality, or Textbook Paranoid Delusions....

Personally, I think it is kind of rude to start accusing someone with an ontology that doesn't fit your rational materialist worldview as 'delusional'. You weren't there, and judging someone as 'delusional' just because it doesnt fit your ontology, then your ontology is in a desperate need of a good ontoseismic experience.

Obviously, no ontology is 'provable', in the end, despite science claiming otherwise. Every methodology has it's own ontological assumptions. As stated in the 'Attitude' section, "nobody has a monopoly over knowing what life or the universe is all about" and I would argue that leaving that assumption makes the dialogue here fall into meaningless discussions about who possesses the undeniable truth.

Furthermore, the ontology one chooses has consequences for the strategy to "combat" the entities. For 'parts of your subconciousness' , do some inner work processing subconscious material. True for some experiences. If you suffer from paranoid delusions,

liberate yourself from this trickery by simply not fearing it anymore.

Or seek help in the treatment of you paranoid delusions. Also true for some.

And then, in meeting 'arch-fiends and demon princes' that are real.... Here we enter a domain where the 'inner work' and 'simply not fear' attitude cease to be effective. Accusing others of being delusional when reporting this is a middle age strategy that seems to adress some underlying fear. "My god, this can't be real, can it?" But then again, at some point experiences start getting really weird. And then , in my experience, and in the experiences of many others, what will help you is things like seeking powerful allies under the archangels and lightbeings and using some basic 'magical' protection using smudging, magic chants (icaros, hymns), symbols & talismans.

For those that never been in a situation where you actually did need this stuff, good for you. But be warned, and some might have to learn it the hardway. It might be usefull though to learn from people more experienced than you, so if you ever find yourself in the situation, you might remember that there are actually methods to "combat" these beings.

Developing a supportive relationship with some powerfull lightbeings, whether that be Jesus Christ, Buddha, Krishna, Archangels or other lightbeings... A good criteria seems to be, not what they tell you, but there radiance. If they radiate light, it seems to be good, in my experience; but i'm interested in the experiences of how to characterise the helpful guides by other travelers here... Let's share experiences and build some common knowledge so we can all learn from eachother, I'd say....

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Brother cheiron

I appreciate your measured and intelligent way of trying to get past the things that divide us, and always attempt to find consensus and build models that will be useful for us... as well as future generations of psychonauts.

I think, though, that diplomacy and consensus building have some inherent flaws. If it was as effective as we would hope, things like the UN and the State Department would be much more effective institutions than they are.

Democracy and respect for every opinion are not always the best path... and can be downright dangerous at times.

Take climate change for example. If the deniers turn out to be right, then there is no real danger, but doing something about emissions would still have positive effects and be beneficial. If the legions of experts on the subject are correct, though... doing nothing would be disastrous. Thus, in this instance the two ontologies are not equal or of equal value. Being democratic with people who have alterior motives to ignore the truth is not egalitarian, but foolhardy.

In the case of malevolent entities, the danger of denial is great. And, I might add... that the experts on this subject (as well as entheogens in general) are not young science majors who learned to extract DMT, but rather the shamanic traditions that have been successfully using these substances since before people could write.

Ontologies are not equal, and simply a matter of preference. In general, when you compare or debate them, none of them are the "truth," but many belief systems are not even in the ballpark and are dangerous to hold.

Assuming that because you are a University educated young adult who can navigate through the syllabi of like minded professors with rather little life experience outside of academia... that you are more knowledgeable about the realities of entheogen use than people who have devoted their lives to it... in traditions that hand down knowledge of this sort very carefully, is a foolhardy noob mistake.

Being good at chemistry does not a good psychonaut make.

I tend to prefer meritocratic systems... like esoteric Kung Fu schools, and shamanic orders. Democracy is worthless when it is assumed that uneducated and inexperienced opinions are coequal to those of masters.

 

[d-T-r]

not got much to add to the main discussion other than;

Arch-Angel Michael can help combat malevolent entities. Both in hyperspace and regular space.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

I realize I have probably already said more than my fair share here on this thread, but I feel I need to address this one more thing.

Textbook paranoid delusions.

You say this as if it meant something. If you find textbooks to be authoritative on anything, then I feel sorry for you. Even upper division academics and professors tend to eschew them for the latest studies and what not.

When has a textbook actually helped anyone with a mental illness? For that matter, when have the people who use such books helped anyone really?

Psychiatrists throw really awful and dangerous drugs at people as the front line salesmen for Big Pharma. And psychologists suck people into years and years of therapy that actually often leave people worse off than before. A shaman with such a bad track record would be forced to leave the region and ridiculed.

According to those same textbooks, any psychonaut would be considered ill. The mere act of breaking laws to get high makes you a deviant and possibly an addict. Having hallucinations that you believe even a fraction of makes you delusional. Having to avoid LEO and persecution in the Drug War makes us all paranoid.

Fact is that nearly every mental health professional I know (and I know a lot) got into the field during college to find out if they were crazy. 1st year abnormal psych is nearly always a room full of people wondering how abnormal they are.

If you buy into their weak tea, you will spend your whole life gobbling pills that will only give you toxic shock syndrome, destroy your liver and renal system, and not even make you feel good. Their anti-depressants actual cause suicide rates to go up. These people consider euphoria a negative side-effect, fer chrissake.

 

[hug46]

Give the lad a break. He said he is willing to admit these demons exist, and if not fearing them is his way of dealing with it, and that works for him, then why not? It is as relevant as anyone else"s solutions.
I reckon the more you do these sort of drugs the more likely you are to be sucked into believing your hallucinations(?). And if you believe them, then they have relevance to you. Everyone"s truth is a personal thing and the only thing anyone can be 100% sure about is that they don"t really know what"s going on.
I think democracy is a very good concept but the only way for it to work properly is if everyone is involved in it.

 

[Jees]

Hi Hyperspace Fool,

if I read you right over some time, one of your points is: if you don't take them serious, they will treat you not-worthy and not learn you. They will dismiss you mutual way. But will malevolent beings react same way and not bother in attacking you?

Leading to some questions in this orientation:
Can doubt act as protective shell against malevolent beings?
Are maliscious being's powers dependable on our very own conviction about them?
Is one safer "sitting on the fence" than hurling into their 'beings' realm?

These questions were born out of one of your posts:

...It may well be that we are imagining this stuff, but it would be with the same mind that imagines the entire Universe into being... and not the little ego mind which we are converseing with now.

If I understand correctly, you make a difference between what our imaginable powers can bring to life, as real, and what our little ego start to make of that, and even trow doubt on it. Like I make a nice painting and then start to say: "nah I did not paint that because I'm not able to to such thing."
The questions are related to how much of an influence the little ego does have (or not) on the imaginable powers of creation that seems to be as it comes. Do we, or do we not, conviction wise, hold keys in hand to enable/disable their actions and power of their actions? Are they as effective and powerful regardless of how we think of them, or are they (to what extend?) determined by it? How much is the little ego worth in this game?

Thank you.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Give the lad a break. He said he is willing to admit these demons exist, and if not fearing them is his way of dealing with it, and that works for him, then why not? It is as relevant as anyone else"s solutions.
I reckon the more you do these sort of drugs the more likely you are to be sucked into believing your hallucinations(?). And if you believe them, then they have relevance to you. Everyone"s truth is a personal thing and the only thing anyone can be 100% sure about is that they don"t really know what"s going on.
I think democracy is a very good concept but the only way for it to work properly is if everyone is involved in it.

This is me giving him a break. Heheeheh.

Course, I enjoy a good debate with people willing to go into their stated opinions and not simply resort to saying that people who don't agree with them are irrational and delusional.

I would be happier if he thought they didn't exist if it meant that he would be a better debater.

Perhaps you can get sucked into believing your hallucinations over time. That isn't how it worked for me, though. I only believed my hallucinations when the entities started coming to me and actively proving their existence to me. It took quite a few instances of them teaching me things and informing me of things that I had no awareness of... which were later proven to me tangibly.

Despite how it might seem, I don't look down on people who have not had such experiences and I feel it is perfectly reasonable to be skeptical in the absence of such proof. I certainly was. Though, even in my most skeptical moments, I didn't feel the need to belittle or tear down what other people said about things that I was unsure of.

The main reason I harp on this issue is because ignoring and not fearing a real threat is dangerous and has lead to many a tragedy. If someone believed that cars in the street were harmless and would never actually do you any serious harm because in their experience walking around a small town, no one actual ever hit them.... I would call them out. Because despite their conception of things, they would eventually be killed. This being even more the case if they ever left the little village where there are not many cars and the ones that are there have no desire to hurt a local boy who crosses the road willy nilly.

Try that attitude on a freeway or in NYC traffic and you will find out the hard way that cars can kill you. This is a matter of harm reduction.

As for Democracy... it is debatable. And since there has never actually been a real Democracy on this planet, the point is moot. Even our psuedo-Democratic Republic, though, irks me when illiterate people can cast a vote that is equal to those of a super genius. I don't think that someone who has no idea what a particular bill is even about should have the same say as an expert in the subject. I just don't.

If you are okay with people casting their vote solely on the sound of a candidate's name, people who haven't read a book in decades filling out their ballots based solely on what some airheaded shill on Faux News has to say, and then letting the resultant morass of ineffective politics, a congress that has lower approval ratings percentage-wise than people who think the Earth is flat, dictate foreign policy and how we allocate our tax dollars... what can I say?

No one is 100% sure about the Truth... granted. But it is certainly NOT personal or subjective. There are, in fact, these pesky little things called facts. Belief that the moon is a man made of cheese is NOT equal to the understanding of people who have actually studied our satellite or been there.

 

[Doodazzle]

Everyone"s truth is a personal thing and the only thing anyone can be 100% sure about is that they don"t really know what"s going on.

Amen.

I realize I have probably already said more than my fair share here on this thread,

I have been very much enjoying your posts in this thread. Man, if you got knowledge on this subject that you want to share then please do not hold back.

 

[cheiron]

I appreciate your measured and intelligent way of trying to get past the things that divide us, and always attempt to find consensus and build models that will be useful for us... as well as future generations of psychonauts.

thanks for the appreciation

In the case of malevolent entities, the danger of denial is great. And, I might add... that the experts on this subject (as well as entheogens in general) are not young science majors who learned to extract DMT, but rather the shamanic traditions that have been successfully using these substances since before people could write.

I agree on that. I respect people that have 10s of times more experience than me in these realms, building on even longer traditions of experience. Still, it can be true that multiple truths exist next to eachother without contradicting. In some instances, people indeed meet something like a part of their own subconciousness. I certainly did. And sometimes people meet the real deal. I certainly did that aswell. The problem lies herein, that people start to claim that their limited perspective has to count for the experiences of others. And if someone chooses to deny let say the knowledge of a skilled shaman, that might be considered stupid or arrogant, but I feel no need to convince someone if they are determined to believe otherwise.

Arch-Angel Michael can help combat malevolent entities. Both in hyperspace and regular space.

Interesting, I share that experience Would like to hear some more about your experience? To me, it was at first a process to actually believe that someone like the Arch-angel Michael would have some time left to free for me as an unsignificant human in the Aeons of history. However, I slowly started to understand that on these levels, beings are more like a frequency I can tune into, and that their timeperspective is kind of broad and flexible.

I saw his 'sword' as a tool made of pure 'truth', the vibrations of which burned away everything that couldnt stand the truth&light. But curious to hear your account of your meetings with him.

He said he is willing to admit these demons exist, and if not fearing them is his way of dealing with it, and that works for him, then why not?

Claiming 'simply not fear' as a way to deal with dark entities is one thing. Accusion a fellow traveler of suffering from paranoid delusions and making up facts, just because he shares experiences with entities interfering with physical reality , is another thing....

@Jees, interesting questions your asking. I'm adding some more here, to Hyperspace Fool and in broad, to all travelers here:

I've had dark entities follow me home, set traps for me, attempt to destroy me,and even hide inside of me for long periods of time unknown to me

Could you explain a bit more about how you found out about entities hiding inside? I've had an experience in which entities started 'exorcising' dark entities that hid inside me since childhood experiences some years ago, but I'm wondering if there are other ways to find out, or exorcise them?

I have a good deal of very heavy angelic beings who protect and aid me.

More travelers, including myself, reported angelic beings as allies. I found that they just tend to connect to me, are willing to help, and kind of easy to find with the right intentions and a clean conscience...

I was wondering, what the experiences of other travelers are, regarding how to connect to these light beings and make them an ally? Guess I'm doing something right, but I also assume there's always something to learn here...

 

[hug46]

There are, in fact, these pesky little things called facts. Belief that the moon is a man made of cheese is NOT equal to the understanding of people who have actually studied our satellite or been there.

Yes but people who have visited the moon have come back with documentary evidence to share their knowledge of the truth (or perhaps the moon landings were a hoax and it really is made of cheese). Unless you can give evidence of these malevolent entities being real apart from saying that you have done a lot of drugs over the years and therefore more experienced in these matters , then maybe they are just made of cheese as well.

I am not dissing you about this as i have my suspicions about these things. As last night i came to the conclusion that i was being taught how to meditate by an entity. I am not usually into all that hippy nonsense but i would be foolish to not heed the message, whether it were from within, or from an exterior source to what i think of as myself.

But i agree my comment about separate truths should have been worded better. Maybe every persons INTERNAL truth is their own. And how we perceive the world is a very internal, personal thing IMO.

I haven"t come across any malevolent entities. Just weird and sometimes disturbing. Do you think that you attract more than your fair share? If so why?

Accusion a fellow traveler of suffering from paranoid delusions and making up facts, just because he shares experiences with entities interfering with physical reality , is another thing....

I don"t think he was accusing. I think he was suggesting that it sounded like paranoid delusions and to be quite honest it does, a little bit. I am not ashamed to admit that there is the possibility that i could be a bit delusional !

 

[cheiron]

Unless you can give evidence of these malevolent entities being real apart from saying that you have done a lot of drugs over the years and therefore more experienced in these matters , then maybe they are just made of cheese as well.

I think Hyperspace Fool actually gave some accounts of experiences and has no doubt a lot more. There are enough experiences of people in these domains that get really strange and could count as 'evidence' for something real happening other than delusions. But people tend to just don't believe things like these, as long as they haven't witnessed them with their own eyes. Which in some way is healthy, i think, to trust your own experience. On the other hand, it can be regarded foolish aswell, to try to dive into realms while ignoring the guidelines presented by people multiple times more experienced than you are...

EDIT: the discussion about 'what is true' is a very slippery one... To me, what is far more interesting, is to hear about the experiences of fellow travelers with entities, dark and light, and how to deal with them. After all, that's the subject of this post, how to 'combat' them. When people start sharing experiences, I can pick out the usefull bits for my own practice...