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How to freebase Changa Ingredients ?
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???you want to smoke plain chaliponga leaf leaf??? I can garuantee you DO NOT want to sprinkle ammonia on some leaves and then smoke them:? :? ...effects wouldnt be worth it anyway... Chaliponga alkaloids are nice to work with, but at leat do a fefat or 2..its way too easy to pull the alkaloids, and with all teks now around using eco friendly products, I dont know why one wouldnt...
Trust me, it will be worth it in the end to have some nice chaliponga full specrum alks..
Trust me, it will be worth it in the end to have some nice chaliponga full specrum alks..
I mean you could just powder the leaves and make a paste with sodium carbonate and water and than pull with 99% iso when its dry and evap back onto some more chali leaf for a mellower smoke mix than crystals..but this would be the bare minimum I would do when it comes to smoking it..
69ron
Rising Star
Chaliponga is extremely mind blowing, more so than DMT so be careful. A full alkaloid extract of it can be 3-10 times more potent than DMT depending on the particular batch. Some is very high in 5-MeO-DMT and some other very weird salvia like alkaloids (don’t know what they are).
If you do a full alkaloid extract using DCM, don’t smoke more than 10 mg for the first try. SWIM once smoked 30 mg of a very potent batch and the universe literally came apart and his brain was shattered in a million pieces. It was freaky to the extreme. His heart was pounding after that experience. But at lower doses, it’s REALLY NICE.
With some chaliponga, it’s strong enough that you can get effects from it by smoking the leaves as is with some harmala alkaloids mixed in. Without the harmala alkaloids, you get tolerance to the 5-MeO-DMT too quickly for it to work.
If you do a full alkaloid extract using DCM, don’t smoke more than 10 mg for the first try. SWIM once smoked 30 mg of a very potent batch and the universe literally came apart and his brain was shattered in a million pieces. It was freaky to the extreme. His heart was pounding after that experience. But at lower doses, it’s REALLY NICE.
With some chaliponga, it’s strong enough that you can get effects from it by smoking the leaves as is with some harmala alkaloids mixed in. Without the harmala alkaloids, you get tolerance to the 5-MeO-DMT too quickly for it to work.
If SWIM could get some cheap, reliable sources of chaliponga, he'd like to do a drytek with acetone, sodium carbonate, and FASA, so as to avoid defatting.
Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
Thanks for your reply 69Ron
I'll mind what you said.
I have only access to Naphta /Xylene /Limonene /Isopropanol /Ethanol /Water
DCM is unavaillable.
adding combined freebase pulls from Chaliponga to dried caapi leaves will not basify the caapi leaves , am i right ?
I think i will have to find a way to basify them to maximize their activity in some kind of way . That seems logical to me :?
@amor fati
Some old man told me he knows for sure the same thing could be done with coca tea
I'll mind what you said.
I have only access to Naphta /Xylene /Limonene /Isopropanol /Ethanol /Water
DCM is unavaillable.
adding combined freebase pulls from Chaliponga to dried caapi leaves will not basify the caapi leaves , am i right ?
I think i will have to find a way to basify them to maximize their activity in some kind of way . That seems logical to me :?
@amor fati
Some old man told me he knows for sure the same thing could be done with coca tea
associativum said:@amor fati
Some old man told me he knows for sure the same thing could be done with coca tea to produce an active smokable admixture which is also very easy on the lungs
Or even better : Just Drytek the Coca Tea with Sodium carbonate and Pull with Naphta - add some flower petals during evaporation
Yeah, SWIM's aware of these possibilities, but hesitant about smoking such things or using naphtha in particular. He's interested in the possibility of using limonene but will refrain from discussing such things further, here.
geeg30
Rising Star
Wouldn't the acetone pull the fats and stuff from the leaf anyway? SWIM always believed that leaf contains more substances that need defatted than MHRB which doesn't contain as much.amor_fati said:
If not then Swim will give it a go as he has 50g of chali waiting for an extraction. He said he was going to do an A/B once he runs out of the spice he has.
BTW swim wants to know - does anyone else find that the yellow spice is much more fun than the white? Swim finds the white spice to be less active, well, not less active but a lot less visual.
hey 69 ron, those strange salvia effects you describe..does it sort of feel like everything swirls togther, and you feel like you are on the verge of comming apart, and can barely hold it together?..
This how my chaliponga alkaloids feel when I smoke a good dose.. around 10-15mg eyeballed. The last time I did this it was like once I lay back I was in a swirling void..My music was all mashed into it and made no sense, and there was no geometry..only swirling..but it all feels really tryptamine like, and I can still feel and hear the carrier wave..
Last week I smoked small hits every few minutes for about 20 minutes on the beach and I got into a nice zone where the rest of the experience didn't overlap and drown out the geometry, which looked exactly like the shipibo designs they portray in they're weaving..Something special was happening at the same time as I was listening to the birdsongs in the forest, liek I could tune into them on some other vibrational level..i dont know how to describe smoked chaliponga yet, sometimes it can be overly euphoric, sometimes more of a emotionless void..diff than when in aya I think..and differnt than mimosa..
This how my chaliponga alkaloids feel when I smoke a good dose.. around 10-15mg eyeballed. The last time I did this it was like once I lay back I was in a swirling void..My music was all mashed into it and made no sense, and there was no geometry..only swirling..but it all feels really tryptamine like, and I can still feel and hear the carrier wave..
Last week I smoked small hits every few minutes for about 20 minutes on the beach and I got into a nice zone where the rest of the experience didn't overlap and drown out the geometry, which looked exactly like the shipibo designs they portray in they're weaving..Something special was happening at the same time as I was listening to the birdsongs in the forest, liek I could tune into them on some other vibrational level..i dont know how to describe smoked chaliponga yet, sometimes it can be overly euphoric, sometimes more of a emotionless void..diff than when in aya I think..and differnt than mimosa..
69ron
Rising Star
fractal enchantment said:
Yeah, that's it exactly, sort of swirly and slippery. It's like everything is crashing together, breaking apart. It's really weird. It’s not something most people would be ready for. It’s unlike anything SWIM can think of. It’s tryptamine-ish of course because of the DMT and 5-MeO-DMT present, but I think there’s some other super potent active alkaloid present that is responsible for the weird swirly effect.
fractal enchantment said:
Yeah, that’s SWIM’s take on it exactly.
geeg30 said:
With FASA, it's not necessary to defat. The fumarate will precipitate, and the fats will remain dissolved.
geeg30 said:
SWIM's always been able to get solid rocks, or at least a crystalline powder.
Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
SWIM now got some some 10xBan.Caapi Extract he is intending to mix into his Changa
He wants to convert its actives into freebase form (to maximize availability) without first extracting them further.
He just doesnt seem to figure out how to do this.
Ideas ?
He wants to convert its actives into freebase form (to maximize availability) without first extracting them further.
He just doesnt seem to figure out how to do this.
Ideas ?