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how to get the most yield from a mimosa extraction?

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Dwhitty76

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So, swim has successfully done two extractions via the marsfold tek with a couple variations and swims yields of has been lb (mhrb)is about 2.5g of spice.I've been seeing people on this forum that are getting astronimical yields and i'm wondering how to do that.I heard someone mention that after they do a basic a/b extraction,they use the rootbark sludge and do an stb extraction to pull more alkaloids out of the sludge.Is that possible?swim would realy like to refine his extraction process and if anyone would be so kind to drop some gems of wisdom, it would be greatfully appreciated
 
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I heard you can use zinc to net any dmt n-oxide aswell;

and also you can do a xylene extraction to pull remaining DMT + red spice.
then do straight naptha on the xylene residude containing dmt.
 
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i would imagine heating naptha could be dengerous but if it pulls out more of the goods, swims willing to try. What would be the best way without burning down my house? and how hot should it be?
 
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i get good yields of 12 grams on average from 500 grams of mimosa tenuiflora mexican rootbark. i use 3 liters of water plus 1 gram of lye and 1 ml of naptha per 1 gram of rootbark. for example, i mix in 500 grams of lye plus 500 grams of rootbark, mix for a half hour and let sit for an hour or two and then add 500 ml of regular ronsonol naptha and then stir for another 30 minutes.

i let it sit for at least four hours and then let the naptha evaporate with a fan blowing over it and it dries in a half hour or so. what i scrape off is usually 3.5 to 4 grams.

i then add 500 ml more of fresh naptha, mix for 30 minutes and let it sit 4 more hours and evaporate it again with a fan to get another 3.5 to 4 grams. i do this a 3rd time to come out with 12 grams of spice.

it´s true i use alot of naptha but snce i get as much rootbark as i need right out of my backyard, it is worth it because i can get 12 grams of spice in 12 hours.

i always re-crystallize the spice with either naptha or heptane and i have around 7 grams of pure white crystalline powder in under 24 hours.
 
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For the best yields possible, instead of boiling in water as most techs state, do the initial extraction in a Soxhlet with 91% IPA running for 18 hours. Then do whatever tech you like from there. A Soxhlet will greatly improve yields because it can pull 99.99% of the DMT from the plant matter by letting it run overnight.
 
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Dwhitty76 said:
i would imagine heating naptha could be dengerous but if it pulls out more of the goods, swims willing to try. What would be the best way without burning down my house? and how hot should it be?
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A hot water bath or crockpot style heater without a naked flame would be the best way. Or you could do as fourth ripley suggests. If you're limited to using a saucepan on a hob to heat water in which the jar of naphta is watch it very carefully - I've had a few little fires I've needed to put out- also if you're doing this be sure of the quality of your glassware - thick solid jars are better. What I do is put some naphta/heptane in a glass measuring cylinder (well below the top), put it in the saucepan (or ideally crockpot/hot water bath) and heat to - typically 60C, though sometimes to 80C. Anything hotter than that and your solvent will boil off.
 
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69ron said:
For the best yields possible, instead of boiling in water as most techs state, do the initial extraction in a Soxhlet with 91% IPA running for 18 hours. Then do whatever tech you like from there. A Soxhlet will greatly improve yields because it can pull 99.99% of the DMT from the plant matter by letting it run overnight.
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What sort of yields are you getting using a Soxhlet?
and what equipment do you need to run it overnight?
 
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Attention All Shipping said:
What sort of yields are you getting using a Soxhlet?
and what equipment do you need to run it overnight?
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It depends on the quality of the plant material. But in general we’re talking about at least 10-30% more than you'll get by boiling it. Plus it’s much easier than boiling and filtering over and over because it’s all automatic.

To run it overnight you need a good accurate hotplate, you need running water as a coolant for the condenser, you need a boiling flask, Allihn condenser, and of course the Soxhlet. That's it. Soxhlets extract automatically, and some will even concentrate the extract for you by simply closing a stopcock. They are great things for anyone doing plant extractions. SWIM can't live without one now. SWIM really recommends getting one. It saves you a lot of work. Instead of boiling and filtering and boiling and filtering, you simply put the plant matter in the Soxhlet on top of some cotton balls, pour in the solvent, turn on the water, and turn on the hotplate. It extracts over and over and over automatically with fresh distilled solvent. It distills the solvent onto the plant matter autocratically over and over and the extract gets concentrated in the boiling flask below it.

Here’s an animation of Soxhlet extraction:

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Check out this page for information on Soxhlet extraction:

 
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WOW!! i guess swim is about to invest some funds in to some basic labware but if it improves his yields ,it's worth it.Plus it kinda fun. 69ron thanx for the info i'm definately try the soxlet method Swim might have some more questions for you if he runs into any issues
 
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If using a/b extraction, after acidifying and cooking, drain liquid off, then wrap your leftover sludge/bark in a bunch of cheesecloth and squeeze with all your strength and get all that good stuff out.

Make sure you get that last bit of naptha. If its getting hard to reach, fill with water until naphtha is in top of a tapered jug. Might want to shake it a little since adding water might have washed a few mgs out of nonpolar layer. let settle 5 minutes then collect.
 
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Swim is seriously considering investing in a soxhlet extractor givin the efficiency and yields resulted from such.Although, the image that was posted above helped me visualize and understand the function of the apparatus,a few questions remain.From what i understand the actual soxhlet is the top part of the apparatus,the allihn condenser is the middle and obviously the boiling flask is at the bottom.It was stated above that you put the plant matter ontop of cotton balls in the soxhlet.Givin the shape and appearence of size, i cant see putting in say 500g of mhrb ontop of cotton balls (it doesnt appear to be wide enough) at the very top of this apparatus.Also, the running water part.I can understand hooking a tube from a water foucet to the input of the soxhlet but what about the output?Is that water suppose to just drain? Swim is a newbie that is eager to learn (givin his shortcomings in chemistry knowledge)and wants to improve his skills and is willing to invest.So please excuse the tedious questions.One more thing i found a site that i believe sells the sox,allihn and flask all in one but wants to make sure its the whole thing if someone doesnt mind taking a look : http://www.safetyemporium.com/ILPI_Site/WebPagesUS/detail.htm?CG-1368-02 Just wanted to make sure that is all swim would need minus the hotplate.Thanx
 
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i personally think it is an easy way out, makes it less fun :p but then again my friend would probably consider it if it weren't for his landlord who checks in occasionally. this won't improve SWIY's chemistry knowledge cause SWIY won't be doing much at all.
 
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Key thing with the soxhlet seems to be the capacity of the 'thimble' into which you place the plant matter to be extracted. If this won't hold sizeable quantities, say 250g I don't know that it'd be worthwhile as you'd need to run it a large number of times to do this volume.
I'm also concerned about the scope for water waste, as the water is just for cooling I wouldn't think it could be recirculated, at least not continuously so it looks like you'd just have to run a tube from the tap & have it pour out in the sink - not the best idea if you're running the soxhlet all night. Also I think you may have a job getting a size of tube that'll both fit on a tap and connect with the soxhlet condenser in socket.
I had thought the aillin condenser was at the top and the soxhlet in the middle, as as vapour rises throughthe soxhlet the condenser at the top cools it so it liquifies and drips down onto the plant matter in the soxhlet.
 
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atheistpeace, I dont know it could be kind of fun to try and what ron69 said about the efficiency and yield increase, it might be worth a try but you could be right.
Attentionall shoppers, I agree w/ you that you'd have to get a soxhlet that would hold the amount of material that you wanna extract from,otherwise it's a waste or just more work.Also i did a little more research and your right about the condenser being ontop of the soxhlet (i google imaged it and saw an image of material being extracted from it).As far as the water tubing,i cant imagine that finding the right size tubing would be much of an issue because you can probably hook it up to an outdoor "backyard" hose valve.The one thing is,is there a way to recirculate the water or is it just being wasted by letting it drain? Regardless swim needs to do a little more research before making the investment,otherwise swim will just continue using his crockpot.We'll see.
 
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