How to identify Acacia confusa with high dmt content

[ran]

I am extracting dmt using an acacia confusa where I live.
I have a question for those who use acacia confusa as well, or for those who are familiar with it.
Please tell me how to recognize the Acacia confusa that contains a lot of dmt.
I have searched and read the logs of dmt nexus myself, but I couldn't find it. Thank you in advance for your help.

 

[acacian]

You will need to take the time to do some research to learn how to identify Acacia confusa.. people telling you how to identify it on here is useless in comparison to utilizing identification keys/looking at photos yourself. You have the internet at your finger tips. A simple google search will yield plenty of photos and botanical keys.

Don’t harvest the material until you are sure you have the right species. Acacia confusa reliably contains DMT.. I’m not sure what you mean by asking for “the type that contains a lot of DMT”. Just take the time to learn how to identify it and how to sustainably/ethically harvest material for extraction.

.. also, instead of hitting the roots I’d suggest just pruning a branch and using the bark from that. Stems/twigs should be fine too.. and phyllodes need more research but very likely are good. If you use a branch then you can test the bark and phyllodes individually. Root bark is a luxury when dealing with farmed plants. But since you will be dealing with wild plants they need to be respected.. acacias don’t like having their root/trunk bark removed. So some simple pruning will be fine.

 

[tripsydinius]

I am extracting dmt using an acacia confusa where I live.
I have a question for those who use acacia confusa as well, or for those who are familiar with it.
Please tell me how to recognize the Acacia confusa that contains a lot of dmt.
I have searched and read the logs of dmt nexus myself, but I couldn't find it. Thank you in advance for your help.

Well if you google the flower it produces its not hard to spot i would say.
Im in nepal and i know here this tree is growing everywhere. You have an idea what produces the highest amount of dmt ? Root tree or leaves ?

 

[drpotato]

UV fluorescence of active acacia bark (and maybe more?) - help wanted!
if you use a 365nm or lower UV light, as in, not a purple light, actual ultraviolet that you can barely see except for what fluoresces, then you should be able to tell the difference between trees. someone told me once that it allowed them to identify akaloid content differences shining on the trees leaves as a whole, and the ones that looked brighter, yielded more. For bark this should run true as well.

Otherwise, learn to do TLC, its pretty easy actually. even paper will work if prepared a little bit. it should allow you to compare field samples against one another. you either stain it, or, use a UV light, and just compare the DMT bands against each other in terms of area and brightness. theres a bit of an art to it but the results should be fairly obvious, bigger/brighter = more.

If you have a large vaporizer, loading a chunk of grinded up bark and then blowing that into an alcohol soaked cotton ball stuffed in a tube, to filter all the smoke, could also work if you wish to test multiple trees and, accrue a large number of samples for comparison, especially over different times of day.

As always, please bear in mind that removing trunk bark kills trees, and, at the ends of branches, twigs are almost all bark by dry mass once you remove the leaves, even factoring in wood content. you can get by just through pruning, leaves contain spice too, this is for your enjoyment ultimately, be as ethical as possible unless you are prepared to process the entire tree.
If you time it right and have access and time, DMT content can rise or redistribute by 2-3x easily, sometimes more. i believe, early morning + shortly after rain. also if you have time, fertilize the tree with an ammonium phosphate based fertilizer, or ammonium sulfate if DAP/MAP is unavailable, waiting a week for it to absorb may turn out to be well worth it. any instance where DMT gets produced or moved around, is multiplied considerably by the presence of surplus ammonia, which doesnt really happen much naturally to the scale some N pellets can do. it works better on things like DMT grasses, but it still applies universally, triptamines, or really any amino compounds, are modulated by the availability of ammino building blocks, like ammonia.
not with confusa but, day to day, some people have tested acacias and found DMT content could vary between decent, to functionally nil, with loads of speculated reasons as to why.

 

[richardbarryrichard]

UV fluorescence of active acacia bark (and maybe more?) - help wanted!
if you use a 365nm or lower UV light, as in, not a purple light, actual ultraviolet that you can barely see except for what fluoresces, then you should be able to tell the difference between trees. someone told me once that it allowed them to identify akaloid content differences shining on the trees leaves as a whole, and the ones that looked brighter, yielded more. For bark this should run true as well.

Otherwise, learn to do TLC, its pretty easy actually. even paper will work if prepared a little bit. it should allow you to compare field samples against one another. you either stain it, or, use a UV light, and just compare the DMT bands against each other in terms of area and brightness. theres a bit of an art to it but the results should be fairly obvious, bigger/brighter = more.

If you have a large vaporizer, loading a chunk of grinded up bark and then blowing that into an alcohol soaked cotton ball stuffed in a tube, to filter all the smoke, could also work if you wish to test multiple trees and, accrue a large number of samples for comparison, especially over different times of day.

As always, please bear in mind that removing trunk bark kills trees, and, at the ends of branches, twigs are almost all bark by dry mass once you remove the leaves, even factoring in wood content. you can get by just through pruning, leaves contain spice too, this is for your enjoyment ultimately, be as ethical as possible unless you are prepared to process the entire tree.
If you time it right and have access and time, DMT content can rise or redistribute by 2-3x easily, sometimes more. i believe, early morning + shortly after rain. also if you have time, fertilize the tree with an ammonium phosphate based fertilizer, or ammonium sulfate if DAP/MAP is unavailable, waiting a week for it to absorb may turn out to be well worth it. any instance where DMT gets produced or moved around, is multiplied considerably by the presence of surplus ammonia, which doesnt really happen much naturally to the scale some N pellets can do. it works better on things like DMT grasses, but it still applies universally, triptamines, or really any amino compounds, are modulated by the availability of ammino building blocks, like ammonia.
not with confusa but, day to day, some people speedau-casino.net have tested acacias and found DMT content could vary between decent, to functionally nil, with loads of speculated reasons as to why.

Interesting idea. Are there any reliable studies or documented data showing that UV fluorescence intensity of acacia leaves or bark actually correlates with alkaloid (e.g. DMT) content, or is this mostly anecdotal? Also, how consistent is this effect over time—such as time of day, after rain, or seasonal changes—if someone wanted a method that’s even moderately reproducible?

 

[drpotato]

Interesting idea. Are there any reliable studies or documented data showing that UV fluorescence intensity of acacia leaves or bark actually correlates with alkaloid (e.g. DMT) content, or is this mostly anecdotal? Also, how consistent is this effect over time—such as time of day, after rain, or seasonal changes—if someone wanted a method that’s even moderately reproducible?

well that depends how much you want to trust in the observations of the poster of that thread/essay linked there. but official papers, no, and i wouldnt expect it either since it will be inconsistent simply because no two trees grow exactly the same. leaf thickness, chlorophyl, or just dust/wax on the trees (acacias sometimes wax up) would affect 365nms penetration dramatically. So theres no value in trying to determine anything other than if DMT is present this way, not, specific levels. since the DMT once exposed to air/sun will degrade you cant sand a section of bark at one time of day then re-test at another either, assuming the damage itself doesnt affect DMT.

Its not possible to use this other than to differentiate actives that have DMT close to the surface and/or in the leaves, vs inactives. DMT is the only strongly fluorescing compound present, so in this regard yes, its a strong correlation, but it wont always be proportionate or useful for comparison, because the effect comes from DMT being somewhere the light can reach, and the intensity is based on the density at the given plane. The effect could in principle change with the leaves in periods where the leaves thicken or gain more chlorophyll, or wax up as some do. you would likely struggle to see anything during the day from exposed bark. the effect on leaves is like, shining at the entire tree to determine overall brightness compared to another also exposed to the same light in view, so this method should just be used in the dark, and strictly qualitative, not quantitative. its yes/no, you can use it to go out in the woods with a strong far-UV light, shine it around, find trees that feintly glow, and test then by sanding the bark and seeing if it lights up strongly.

Anyway just read the link, aside from confirming dmt fluoresces strongly, and, only a particularly far-UV source will work (365nm is invisible to the eyes, the only thing you see is fluorescent effects), all my info comes from that one place.

 

[CasualShaman]

Can someone point me in the direction of a sustainable Acacia Confusa supplier please?

 

[northape]

Can someone point me in the direction of a sustainable Acacia Confusa supplier please?

Sure; start here:

Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

 

[CasualShaman]

Apologies I was unaware of not being allowed to source I only thought it was selling. My bad

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

its yes/no, you can use it to go out in the woods with a strong far-UV light, shine it around, find trees that feintly glow, and test then by sanding the bark and seeing if it lights up strongly.

I've tried the UV method, and have found that the leaves and bark of other plants and trees floresce in a similar manner. Reading your post makes me want to try it again, just to make sure, but I don't think this is a reliable method.

As far as potency goes, both yield and potency of phyllodes will plummet after it rains; it is best to go picking during a dry spell of a few weeks. You'll fair a bit better with bark and twigs if picked after a rainstorm – they don't seem to be as affected – but phyllodes are definitely a no-go.

You can expect ~0.5–0.6% yield with either phyllodes or twigs if done separately, as well as with phyllodes and twigs extracted together. Qualitatively, phyllodes are variable: sometimes extremely visual, sometimes extremely sedative. Twigs have a more airy, lighter feel. Mixed together – both phyllodes and twigs – seem to have the most agreeable affect.

Fresh bark will yield 3.5–4.5+%; branch seems to be more visual while root is more of a bodyload. Of course, I advocate trimming a branch, as this will give you more than enough to work with without doing irreversible harm to a tree that is probably older than you.

Please note that these figures are for full-spectrum, gooey extracts. TLC has detected 4-6 compounds, including (possibly) harmalas.