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Hyperspace slapped convo

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I'm a pretty new user but been researching for 6 years. I've read countless trip reports and keep hearing about the intense bad experiences. Maybe I haven't taken a big enough dose but all my experiences are truly blissful. I keep repeating thank you as tears roll down my face. Whenever I see evil weird faces i just keep smiling and they go away. I want to keep going deeper but idk why I'm afraid of being hyperspace slapped as yall call it. Another thing idk how ppl write trip reports...I can't keep up with what's going on. The movements are too complex..almost like looking inside a body and watching all the inner organs blood pumping. I think this lady entity with lots of arms activated my third eye..it got super bright with orange and I was looking at how the brain worked. Idk its all beautiful and unreal.
 
Those evil faces you're seeing are a tiny prelude to how horrific a bad trip can become, especially using something as powerful as DMT. Just like you've been experiencing a kind of transcendent positivity, the experience can also become terrifyingly malevolent, way beyond comprehension.

In my experience, the only way to avoid it is to stay conservative with your dosing. That doesn't mean you don't trip hard, but an effort is made to not let the intensity get far beyond what you're expecting. The shock of an unexpectedly powerful DMT trip can really throw you into zones you'd probably rather not visit.
 
Yeah I'm starting to see it a bit. Everytime my mind would drift off a bit or I tried to focus on bringing the info back..it would go dark and evil faces starting transforming. This vape pen I got enables me to kinda ease in it. So if it goes bad opening your eyes won't work?
 
I want to keep going deeper but idk why I'm afraid of being hyperspace slapped as yall call it.
It's unknown and your current experiences differ from so many of the negative trip reports. You have a reverence for something that can really shake you up, and that's important to how it interacts with your thoughts. It's a good thing to share stories, but no two experience have to be the same. In my experience hyper slaps aren't even supposed to be 'negative', only a loud message. That is scary some times, but growth doesn't happen in a vacuum.

I'm just a guy. You're the one who has to live with the answers you find. I've learned life is sticky, and it's hard to seperate truth from feelings a lot of the time. One effects the other in my case.
 
Yeah I'm starting to see it a bit. Everytime my mind would drift off a bit or I tried to focus on bringing the info back..it would go dark and evil faces starting transforming. This vape pen I got enables me to kinda ease in it. So if it goes bad opening your eyes won't work?
You touched on something important. I imagine it probably is possible to have full conscious control of the trip using skills in attention, similar to mastery in meditation. With my own minor efforts in meditation, I've noticed the trip can be influenced by the quality of mindfulness and concentration that I have in the moment. The problem is that most of us aren't skilled enough to really control it, and then once you're thrown into an immersive bad trip, there's almost no chance of finding the wherewithal to reverse it.

A vape pen is probably an ideal way to take it slow and easy without accidentally going too far. But if you do go too far and happen to kick off a bad trip, it won't matter whether your eyes are opened or closed. Your consciousness will be transported and seemingly separated from your body, and you're just along for the ride at that point. Time loses its meaning and this new ultra-strange reality becomes your existence forever. It's truly wild.
 
From all the trip reports and simulations...my experiences are nothing like them. But maybe I haven't had a intense breakthrough yet. I'm taking my time with it..no rush..it's pure bliss and love. I'm just speechless I can't believe these experiences. It's more than crazy
 
You touched on something important. I imagine it probably is possible to have full conscious control of the trip using skills in attention, similar to mastery in meditation. With my own minor efforts in meditation, I've noticed the trip can be influenced by the quality of mindfulness and concentration that I have in the moment. The problem is that most of us aren't skilled enough to really control it, and then once you're thrown into an immersive bad trip, there's almost no chance of finding the wherewithal to reverse it.

A vape pen is probably an ideal way to take it slow and easy without accidentally going too far. But if you do go too far and happen to kick off a bad trip, it won't matter whether your eyes are opened or closed. Your consciousness will be transported and seemingly separated from your body, and you're just along for the ride at that point. Time loses its meaning and this new ultra-strange reality becomes your existence forever. It's truly wild.
Not exaggerating I've been meditating heavily for 10 years. It was the only way to get my mind back from meth abuse. So I'll run 3 miles then meditate for an hour without opening my eyes and then start hitting the pen. Pure mindfulness
 
From all the trip reports and simulations...my experiences are nothing like them. But maybe I haven't had a intense breakthrough yet. I'm taking my time with it..no rush..it's pure bliss and love. I'm just speechless I can't believe these experiences. It's more than crazy
Yeah, there's a large difference of intensity once the breakthrough barrier is passed. It switches from pretty immersive to truly immersive, where it becomes your new reality which is basically entirely divorced from the one you currently know.

Not exaggerating I've been meditating heavily for 10 years. It was the only way to get my mind back from meth abuse. So I'll run 3 miles then meditate for an hour without opening my eyes and then start hitting the pen. Pure mindfulness
Nice, that could perhaps explain why you've had such consistently positive experiences so far. I would suggest you explore further trying to combine the two.
 
I'm still in a state of mild shock about some of the challenging experiences from over two years ago. Like was mentioned above, the new reality can last forever. When you add to that the fact that you don't remember who or what you are, don't remember your name or your identity or anything of this 3D realm, those times are off the chart challenging for me. The chaos can be so absolute, I'm trembling slightly just remembering it.

I still would not say I've had a bad trip though. Just infinitely challenging. I don't know if I will ever fully intergrate some of what I've put myself through. Normal life will never be the same again.
 
Yeah, there's a large difference of intensity once the breakthrough barrier is passed. It switches from pretty immersive to truly immersive, where it becomes your new reality which is basically entirely divorced from the one you currently know.


Nice, that could perhaps explain why you've had such consistently positive experiences so far. I would suggest you explore further trying to combine the two.
Yeah i won't hit it unless i run and meditate before. I haven't felt that yet of forgetting my current reality. Body feels like it's on anesthesia and time slows.
 
I'm still in a state of mild shock about some of the challenging experiences from over two years ago. Like was mentioned above, the new reality can last forever. When you add to that the fact that you don't remember who or what you are, don't remember your name or your identity or anything of this 3D realm, those times are off the chart challenging for me. The chaos can be so absolute, I'm trembling slightly just remembering it.

I still would not say I've had a bad trip though. Just infinitely challenging. I don't know if I will ever fully intergrate some of what I've put myself through. Normal life will never be the same again.
Wow don't remember who you were. Man I can't even imagine or process that. 50mg breakthrough?
 
Pipe smoked enhanced leaf, so exact dose not so sure. I would guess somewhere in the region of 30-45mg for some of the most difficult ones.

In those days I was aiming for a max of 30mg but I distinctly remember saying out loud 'oh, that was a strong bit' on a few occasions after the third hit. I've come to realise that aiming for 15mg with enhanced leaf is wiser for me personally.
 
I'm a pretty new user but been researching for 6 years. I've read countless trip reports and keep hearing about the intense bad experiences. Maybe I haven't taken a big enough dose but all my experiences are truly blissful. I keep repeating thank you as tears roll down my face. Whenever I see evil weird faces i just keep smiling and they go away. I want to keep going deeper but idk why I'm afraid of being hyperspace slapped as yall call it. Another thing idk how ppl write trip reports...I can't keep up with what's going on. The movements are too complex..almost like looking inside a body and watching all the inner organs blood pumping. I think this lady entity with lots of arms activated my third eye..it got super bright with orange and I was looking at how the brain worked. Idk its all beautiful and unreal.
Well for most the experience starts with an long string of very positive experiences, some call this the honeymoon phase, this can go on for quite some time, but eventually most of us who are committed will find themselves in what is often called an hyperslab trip. Personally this happens only when I have been at it for quite some time and didn’t take the time to integrate the experiences or when I use for the wrong reasons like escapism.

So when committed it’s usually not a question of, if you are going to get an rough time but, when it’s going to happen. Then when it does happen it’s I think important to have a plan to reground your self and to take a long break. Focusing on mundane daily life things and sports is what works for me, then when things are not as fresh reflecting on the experience helps.

Anyway I am off the opinion that it’s not necessary to fear for it, although it’s terrifying, but to prepare ( for what is possible) yourself for when it does happen.

Anyway good luck and if you’re unlucky enough to find yourself in a bad one reach out, many members here have at one time gone through the same and can give very helpful advice.
 
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I'm still in a state of mild shock about some of the challenging experiences from over two years ago. Like was mentioned above, the new reality can last forever. When you add to that the fact that you don't remember who or what you are, don't remember your name or your identity or anything of this 3D realm, those times are off the chart challenging for me. The chaos can be so absolute, I'm trembling slightly just remembering it.

I still would not say I've had a bad trip though. Just infinitely challenging. I don't know if I will ever fully intergrate some of what I've put myself through. Normal life will never be the same again.
Yeah, I know what you mean, lol. My most hardcore DMT trips that veered in that direction were about 10 years ago, and I still occasionally get mental snippets of the impossible chaos. There were heavy elements of ego death in mine as well.
 
Well for most the experience starts with an long string of very positive experiences, some call this the honeymoon phase, this can go on for quite some time, but eventually most of us who are committed will find themselves in what is often called an hyperslab trip. Personally this happens only when I have been at it for quite some time and didn’t take the time to integrate the experiences or when I use for the wrong reasons like escapism.

So when committed it’s usually not a question of, if you are going to get an rough time but, when it’s going to happen. Then when it does happen it’s I think important to have a plan to reground your self and to take a long break. Focusing on mundane daily life things and sports is what works for me, then when things are not as fresh reflecting on the experience helps.

Anyway I am off the opinion that it’s not necessary to fear for it, although it’s terrifying, but to prepare ( for what is possible) yourself when it does happen.

Anyway good luck and if you’re unlucky enough to find yourself in a bad one reach out, many members here have very helpful advice.
Very true. It does seem to almost be a repeating pattern and forgone conclusion for anyone who gets past the beginner stage of DMT, especially when usage dips into being irresponsible. That's how it was for me too.
 
Well for most the experience starts with an long string of very positive experiences, some call this the honeymoon phase, this can go on for quite some time, but eventually most of us who are committed will find themselves in what is often called an hyperslab trip. Personally this happens only when I have been at it for quite some time and didn’t take the time to integrate the experiences or when I use for the wrong reasons like escapism.

So when committed it’s usually not a question of, if you are going to get an rough time but, when it’s going to happen. Then when it does happen it’s I think important to have a plan to reground your self and to take a long break. Focusing on mundane daily life things and sports is what works for me, then when things are not as fresh reflecting on the experience helps.

Anyway I am off the opinion that it’s not necessary to fear for it, although it’s terrifying, but to prepare ( for what is possible) yourself for when it does happen.

Anyway good luck and if you’re unlucky enough to find yourself in a bad one reach out, many members here have at one time gone through the same and can give very helpful advice.
That's how I feel about shrooms. I can't even enjoy them without overthinking and getting too emotional. How long and frequent did you use during the honeymoon phase?
 
I can’t remember exactly, but it must have been about half a year, very, intense use. Basically daily. I remember it was every single day, for many, many weeks, and then, suddenly, I experienced what I later came to call a lockout experience.

After that, even though it had clearly changed, I kept pushing it, trying to get back to that space. I was so fulfilled with wonder during those early weeks that I didn’t think it would ever stop, I thought I could always return.

Anyway, I’m not going to go into the details of the horrible experience that followed, but it was horrible. It took me at least a half-year break before I could even think about starting again, and even then, it took years, years of very low dosages, before I could return to the point where I could confidently go for a breakthrough experience without overwhelming worry. It’s taken time, a long time.

And of course, this was decades ago now, so I don’t remember if that process was linear or not. When I look back at my notes, because I’ve taken notes after most trips, I can see how intense that period of use and discovery really was. For me, the term “honeymoon phase” fits, but it was also much more than that, it felt like coming home, like becoming part of another world, like becoming, somehow, an inhabitant.

And then came the hyper-slap. That was the most devastating part, not just the fear or the difficulty in managing reality, but the loss of access. Not being able to dive into that magical lake anymore, for a long, long time. That was what really hurt. I felt lost. It felt like a missed opportunity, like I was being excluded from hyperspace.

It’s a bit like the feeling you get when you move house and everything is unfamiliar. It’s not exactly being unhinged, but more like… ontheemd. That’s the Dutch word. I think in English it might be something like “displaced,” but that doesn’t really capture it, it’s more like being emotionally unrooted, cut off from something that once felt completely like home.

It took a very long time to find my way back, luckily it has been great now for a very long time and although I’m on a rather regular interval for years and still go very deep at times, I don’t ignore any sign that leads me into the waters I was swimming in then.

Hope this helps, as for mushrooms I too can’t enjoy them anymore, I try them more or less every 5 years only to find that they really don’t make sense. The strange thing is that I don’t have any problems other psychedelics.
 
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Personally this happens only when I have been at it for quite some time and didn’t take the time to integrate the experiences or when I use for the wrong reasons like escapism.
This^

Complete and totally relate to this statement.

The worst difficult trip I had was being torn to pieces and thrown around with a feeling a deep hate and disdain. Whatever was toying with me hated my guts and was completely indifferent to my suffering. It felt as though it was eternity and I was in hell. Something spoke to me in the worst of it. A very quite voice, said "I Love You.". This message echoed in my mind, the suffering continued for a short time and it felt as though I had a sort of out of body experience. Something in me became separate from the suffering that my ego was experiencing. I was able to see this from the outside and I felt a deep love for this being. I was having two experiences at once, watching the suffering and being the suffering. The two began to merge and the whole experience changed. Something came in a scooped me up, rocked me like a baby and told me how much she loved me. She told me that I was special and deeply loved by many. I love you became louder and the feeling of complete contentment and bliss entered me. I felt surrounded by something so familiar, felt like home. The trip slowly came to an end and tears streamed down my face, I wept. I purged tears of joy and pain. I was so grateful to be back in my body, back into my life.

What is significant about this trip is that it something in my mind clicked. I had suffered some pretty bad PTSD for a very long time. After that trip I never got the severe depression ever again. Before this trip I was using DMT to escape my pain if I am being honest. I just could never deal with it, I didn't know what to do with it. I would lay in bed for hours, not eat, not take care of myself. I was angry, depressed, had many suicidal ideations or suicidality and life pretty much just sucked. After this trip it was gone. I still get down, sad, angry and whatnot, but it doesn't last, that trip pops into my head and I am filled with love. I really am not doing the experience any justice at all in my description. This was a truly deep down, gut wrenching, terrifying and absolutely beautiful in the end.

I think I had to be stripped down to the raw. Completely humbled and broken before I could see what was underneath all of that suffering. The pain and hell had to occur enable to snap me out of it. I was suffering in everyday life and that suffering manifested itself in the trip. I felt the compassion, empathy and love for this being that was suffering immensely in this hyperslap and upon return I felt compassion, empathy and love for who I am and what I have suffered. Not feeling sorry for oneself, but a deep compassion and deep unconditional love that is infinite.

I see that I created my own hell and also my own heaven. I found my pain and I found my heart. We are creatures that contain the good and the bad. The light and the dark. Bring that which is hidden into the light and allow it to be transformed into something new. Transmutation of pain and misery and suffering into love and empathy and joy. A true change happened within that day.

Difficulties are hard and can be scary. The trials are terrifying. Hyperslaps are absolute astonishing hellish. I would never think about taking my hyperslap back. I give gratitude for my suffering and pain, I give gratitude for my peace and contentment. I accept it all. The universe is really good at finding the balance.
 
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