Legarto Rey
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Odd, is a tempered reference to deep mystic experiencing delivered by intentional use of plant medicines!
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I'm from the UK and 'odd' just means 'weird' or 'strange'.Legarto Rey said:Odd, is a tempered reference to deep mystic experiencing delivered by intentional use of plant medicines!
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Legarto Rey said:Sure. Just implying that it only just hints at the magnitude of queerness often delivered by, "mixed wines"(enthoegens). For many, once familiarized with SD headspace via smoke, quidding will deliver the "shy deer", particularly in dim, meditative quietude. OP, you seem to know the "quid tek". I suspect you'll soon be able to conjure, Ska Maria Pastora, with @4-5 leaf quid.
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Legarto Rey said:...Delved into with abandon, such mind states, including the bizarre salvia space, can be FAR from trivial and ANYTHING but fun and games. They can, however, be rather transformative, if a bit stern...
protostar said:My experience is that Salvia divinorum is a plant which prefers to not be ingested at all, and wreaks havoc on it's user's for consuming it by torturing them mercilessly by bending their minds and sending their souls twisting through the cosmic drainpipe and into the bowels of the universe.
Do you know what the 'pins and needles' thing is about?Doc Buxin said:protostar said:My experience is that Salvia divinorum is a plant which prefers to not be ingested at all, and wreaks havoc on it's user's for consuming it by torturing them mercilessly by bending their minds and sending their souls twisting through the cosmic drainpipe and into the bowels of the universe.
I can totally understand how some people could feel this^^^way with regards to S. divinorum.
It certainly does not induce some kind of "euphoric high" or "pleasant experience".
Again, it is a rather serious teacher plant who does not mess around.
One does not ingest S. divinorum for "shits & giggles"; it is definitely NOT a "party drug" by any means.
palosanto said:...Do you know what the 'pins and needles' thing is about?
I have a background in the Socratic method. What so wrong about asking questions and finding out the truth?Doc Buxin said:palosanto said:...Do you know what the 'pins and needles' thing is about?
I have no idea, but as a well-seasoned entheogenic veteran, I have learned to not try to figure things out so much. I have faith that I will receive what I need to learn and let the rest go. Otherwise, one could be tortured for the rest of one's life with all the questions that psychedelics engender.
They certainly produce many more questions than answers.
palosanto said:I have a background in the Socratic method. What so wrong about asking questions and finding out the truth?Doc Buxin said:palosanto said:...Do you know what the 'pins and needles' thing is about?
I have no idea, but as a well-seasoned entheogenic veteran, I have learned to not try to figure things out so much. I have faith that I will receive what I need to learn and let the rest go. Otherwise, one could be tortured for the rest of one's life with all the questions that psychedelics engender.
They certainly produce many more questions than answers.
The artwork is really good.Legarto Rey said:ps, study this thread! Salvia Droid's art, in particular, illustrate the ENIGMA that is Salvia, or any deep psychedelic experience. There are no words! These can be trans-personal, trans-linguistic, trans-temporal and trans-spatial journeys, for even the most seasoned. There comes a point when the dialectic fails to yield fruit. The buzzards have picked the carcass clean.
My suggestion, read, study(most questions have already been discussed) and, most importantly, EXPERIENCE FOR YOURSELF. After a year or two of self tutelage, you be the teacher!. We are all students here, bring us YOUR wisdom.
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Doc Buxin said:protostar said:My experience is that Salvia divinorum is a plant which prefers to not be ingested at all, and wreaks havoc on it's user's for consuming it by torturing them mercilessly by bending their minds and sending their souls twisting through the cosmic drainpipe and into the bowels of the universe.
I can totally understand how some people could feel this^^^way with regards to S. divinorum.
It certainly does not induce some kind of "euphoric high" or "pleasant experience".
Again, it is a rather serious teacher plant who does not mess around.
One does not ingest S. divinorum for "shits & giggles"; it is definitely NOT a "party drug" by any means.
protostar said:Doc Buxin said:protostar said:My experience is that Salvia divinorum is a plant which prefers to not be ingested at all, and wreaks havoc on it's user's for consuming it by torturing them mercilessly by bending their minds and sending their souls twisting through the cosmic drainpipe and into the bowels of the universe.
I can totally understand how some people could feel this^^^way with regards to S. divinorum.
It certainly does not induce some kind of "euphoric high" or "pleasant experience".
Again, it is a rather serious teacher plant who does not mess around.
One does not ingest S. divinorum for "shits & giggles"; it is definitely NOT a "party drug" by any means.
I find your statements inaccurate and offensive.
Never once did I ingest Salvia divinorum for "shits and giggles" as you put it, nor did I ever treat it as a "party drug."
I studied about this plant for one whole year before I purchased a bag of dried leaves and tried it for myself.
I'm a scholar and a scientist, not someone who tries random plants and substances looking to get high.
I hope this is clear now, thanks.
Legarto Rey said:protostar, suspect you're over personalizing DB's comment on your apt description of Salvia space. It may indeed be the "havoc wreaked" on ones psyche and soma that makes SD such an intriguing plant medicine ally. Reminding presumed psychedelic naifs that the entheogen induced mystic state can be less than recreational is merely wizened pontificating. Welcome to the food fight, gird your loins, it's often jarring, but seldom injurious.
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