Legarto Rey
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Odd, is a tempered reference to deep mystic experiencing delivered by intentional use of plant medicines!
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I experienced the Salvia Blending and Pulling.
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Legarto Rey
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Sure. Just implying that it only just hints at the magnitude of queerness often delivered by, "mixed wines"(enthoegens). For many, once familiarized with SD headspace via smoke, quidding will deliver the "shy deer", particularly in dim, meditative quietude. OP, you seem to know the "quid tek". I suspect you'll soon be able to conjure, Ska Maria Pastora, with @4-5 leaf quid.
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Legarto Rey said:
I would like to return to quidding as I have read that it can lead to a more mellow experience with Salvia. But I'm not sure I can get enough leaf for Salvinorin to pass the blood brain barrier without using a lot of it. Not sure. I've got a 5grm bag left of the stuff, but with smoking it in my bong I can use less than half a gram. One thing I haven't tried is letting the chewed leaf sit in the mouth for 20 minutes or longer. Apparently, it's the action of the saliva that helps get the Salvinorin transport itself through the gland tissues of the mouth. When I chew the leaf, which is pretty much broken up anyway, the mixture gets smaller and smaller and then suddenly I am not generating much salvia as it becomes a sticking-to-the-teeth exercise and the stuff gettiung stuck around the top gums. The stops me from quidding the stuff. I think the dried leaf is not for quidding, as I have been told.
Legarto Rey
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Grow a few plants if you can obtain. You'll get enough leaves to last a long time. Chewing fresh leaves is the best quidding method. Rehydrated, dried leaves do indeed retain potency for quidding. You don't appear to be a SD "hard head", as smoked plain leaf gave you effects. Remember, with quids the visitation is subtle, yet, rather profound and far from placebo once familiar.
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Doc Buxin
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Legarto Rey said:
This is what I have derived from my many experiences with SD. The very first time I smoked it I could tell very quickly that it was a deadly serious plant teacher...no "ha ha ha's" or giggles in Her classroom, no sir.
I also learned rather rapidly about the utterly and fantastically strange bodily perceptions it can induce.
I tend to pull out S. divinorum once every year or two or three...At those times when I feel that I am in the right space for deep, spirit world journey.
Hector
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I read that Salvia Divinorum is a plant which prefers to be consumed through quidding. This requires between 1-10 grams of dry leaf matter so it requires more when administered sublingually than if you are going the smoking route. The original poster said that he smoked less than a gram of salvia. .75 grams is considered a high dose on erowid, but the dose range is so small.
I read that smoking a higher dose of Salvia is less frightening because your ego is quickly oblitherated so there is nothing left of you to feel fear. So you may want to consider smoking more.
I would strongly advise you to take up quidding. That is how the Mazatek's consume Salvia. They think that westerners are crazy for smoking it and that this is disrespectful towards the spirit of salvia. Kathleen Harrison concurs. I would stop smoking it if you did not enjoy that. Quidding is supposed to be more tranquil and it is the traditional way, much easier to get the dose right as well.
Also, the original poster keeps saying that salvia is toxic. Salvinorum A is not toxic. Actually, I have read that it is a healing plant and can help fight AIDS and cancer. It is however the most potent natural psychedelic compound in existence being active at 200 micrograms I think. Just because you have an ego dissolving experience does not mean that you have been posioned. In fact, psychedelic plants are not the same thing as posionous plants. I had an ego dissolving trip on ayahuasca once and it was quite unnerving so I have an inkling of what it is you are feeling. The trip feels like forever. Falling apart on psychedelics happens, but fighting the experience is never the right thing to do.
I have never taken Salvia. I am thinking about aquiring some and trying this stuff soon. And that it is good in combination with ayahuasca. Salvia is a fascinating plant. Scientists did a DNA sequence on Salvia and out of like 800 plants in the genus Salvia Salvia D was like the only plant where they had no idea of it's genetic heritage. The plant does not produce seeds really so it grows through cloning. This means all the Salvia D's are the same strain. They require humans to spread them or a twig falls off and grows by itself I guess. How did they evolve? Did aliens bring them to earth? I wonder.
I read that smoking a higher dose of Salvia is less frightening because your ego is quickly oblitherated so there is nothing left of you to feel fear. So you may want to consider smoking more.
I would strongly advise you to take up quidding. That is how the Mazatek's consume Salvia. They think that westerners are crazy for smoking it and that this is disrespectful towards the spirit of salvia. Kathleen Harrison concurs. I would stop smoking it if you did not enjoy that. Quidding is supposed to be more tranquil and it is the traditional way, much easier to get the dose right as well.
Also, the original poster keeps saying that salvia is toxic. Salvinorum A is not toxic. Actually, I have read that it is a healing plant and can help fight AIDS and cancer. It is however the most potent natural psychedelic compound in existence being active at 200 micrograms I think. Just because you have an ego dissolving experience does not mean that you have been posioned. In fact, psychedelic plants are not the same thing as posionous plants. I had an ego dissolving trip on ayahuasca once and it was quite unnerving so I have an inkling of what it is you are feeling. The trip feels like forever. Falling apart on psychedelics happens, but fighting the experience is never the right thing to do.
I have never taken Salvia. I am thinking about aquiring some and trying this stuff soon. And that it is good in combination with ayahuasca. Salvia is a fascinating plant. Scientists did a DNA sequence on Salvia and out of like 800 plants in the genus Salvia Salvia D was like the only plant where they had no idea of it's genetic heritage. The plant does not produce seeds really so it grows through cloning. This means all the Salvia D's are the same strain. They require humans to spread them or a twig falls off and grows by itself I guess. How did they evolve? Did aliens bring them to earth? I wonder.
My experience is that Salvia divinorum is a plant which prefers to not be ingested at all, and wreaks havoc on it's user's for consuming it by torturing them mercilessly by bending their minds and sending their souls twisting through the cosmic drainpipe and into the bowels of the universe.
Doc Buxin
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protostar said:
I can totally understand how some people could feel this^^^way with regards to S. divinorum.
It certainly does not induce some kind of "euphoric high" or "pleasant experience".
Again, it is a rather serious teacher plant who does not mess around.
One does not ingest S. divinorum for "shits & giggles"; it is definitely NOT a "party drug" by any means.
Doc Buxin
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palosanto said:
I have no idea, but as a well-seasoned entheogenic veteran, I have learned to not try to figure things out so much. I have faith that I will receive what I need to learn and let the rest go. Otherwise, one could be tortured for the rest of one's life with all the questions that psychedelics engender.
They certainly produce many more questions than answers.
I have a background in the Socratic method. What so wrong about asking questions and finding out the truth?Doc Buxin said:palosanto said:
I have no idea, but as a well-seasoned entheogenic veteran, I have learned to not try to figure things out so much. I have faith that I will receive what I need to learn and let the rest go. Otherwise, one could be tortured for the rest of one's life with all the questions that psychedelics engender.
They certainly produce many more questions than answers.
Doc Buxin
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palosanto said:I have a background in the Socratic method. What so wrong about asking questions and finding out the truth?Doc Buxin said:palosanto said:
I have no idea, but as a well-seasoned entheogenic veteran, I have learned to not try to figure things out so much. I have faith that I will receive what I need to learn and let the rest go. Otherwise, one could be tortured for the rest of one's life with all the questions that psychedelics engender.
They certainly produce many more questions than answers.
There is nothing wrong with asking questions. It is the expectation of answers that drive many people insane.
Legarto Rey
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ps, study this thread! Salvia Droid's art, in particular, illustrate the ENIGMA that is Salvia, or any deep psychedelic experience. There are no words! These can be trans-personal, trans-linguistic, trans-temporal and trans-spatial journeys, for even the most seasoned. There comes a point when the dialectic fails to yield fruit. The buzzards have picked the carcass clean.
My suggestion, read, study(most questions have already been discussed) and, most importantly, EXPERIENCE FOR YOURSELF. After a year or two of self tutelage, you be the teacher!. We are all students here, bring us YOUR wisdom.
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My suggestion, read, study(most questions have already been discussed) and, most importantly, EXPERIENCE FOR YOURSELF. After a year or two of self tutelage, you be the teacher!. We are all students here, bring us YOUR wisdom.
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Doc Buxin said:
I find your statements inaccurate and offensive.
Never once did I ingest Salvia divinorum for "shits and giggles" as you put it, nor did I ever treat it as a "party drug."
I studied about this plant for one whole year before I purchased a bag of dried leaves and tried it for myself.
I'm a scholar and a scientist, not someone who tries random plants and substances looking to get high.
I hope this is clear now, thanks.
Legarto Rey
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protostar, suspect you're over personalizing DB's comment on your apt description of Salvia space. It may indeed be the "havoc wreaked" on ones psyche and soma that makes SD such an intriguing plant medicine ally. Reminding presumed psychedelic naifs that the entheogen induced mystic state can be less than recreational is merely wizened pontificating. Welcome to the food fight, gird your loins, it's often jarring, but seldom injurious.
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