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I just discovered a DMT 'like' compound....I think

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vovin said:
I thnk they chose the obscure name 'V' because it is something that is hard to research or find anything on.
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I expect it's called V to allude to how in the television series Trueblood people get high by taking vampire's blood, which, you've guessed it, they call V. Hence the vampish women on the label. It's just tacky marketing aimed at teenagers.
 
SunRise said:
so you have no idea what your doing?:shock:
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Absolutely none. Of course I had no idea whatsoever when I wrote my DMT tek and started experiementing with the spice either.


polytrip said:
polytrip said:
The first time in my life, that i smoked weed, i had hallucinations (i saw glass-like birds) and LSD-like visuals.
I have never had thát much visual effects from cannabis ever again but i have had several other experiences with cannabis that where nonetheless quite intense.

I always say that cannabis can be at least as intense as LSD. The only thing about this tripreport that strikes me as odd is the visual effects you desrcibe, but like i said: i've had such an event myself as well, and i think you can call these unusual effects from a substance 'freak-events'.

These smoking blends could probably incidentally contain very high concentrations of JWH's or other synthetic cannabinoids. And if that is the case, you could probably just incidentally with only one toke from a bong or joint, pump an amount of chemicals in your bloodstream that equal enormous amounts of hash or weed.
JWH is active in only a few milligrams and there are other synthetic cannabinoids that are active in even less than a milligram.

So within only one, two or three tokes you could get something in your blood that maybe equals a few grams:shock: of very good weed.
That ought to be at least comparable in intensity to an LSD experience, if not stronger.

I even started a thread on this forum, maybe a year ago, where i speculated about the possibility that a synthetic cannabinoid (or some very specific cannabinoids, isolated from cannabis) could cause DMT-like breakthroughs.

So your report doesn't surprise me.
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Couldn't find that thread that i started, since apparently you cannot go back more than a year, BUT...when i was looking for it, noticed that there are a few threads on this forum where people mention DMT-like effects with synthetic cannabinoids.

I would say that this makes a stronger case for the statement that synthetic cannabinoids can easily be 'overdosed' and that in such large amounts they can sometimes cause psychedelic effects that are comparable in intensity with those of DMT.

Especially when the compound isn't a JWH but some CB that's active in doses less than a milligram.
It is obviousley very easy to overdose on one of those substances.
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Yeah I am sure it has the other JWH's in it not just JWH-018 that's just from comparing the buzz from K2 and Serenity. What I am thinking is this is prolly made like changa where the active ingredient is dissolved in a solvent and then the plant matter is immersed removed and dried. If this is the case certain parts of the plant would absorb more fluid like the veins would absorb more than just a flat leaf structure making it somewhat inconsistent. I could have loaded a big 'stick' that had taken on a much higher dosage. That's my theory I havent had it happen again as of yet but I havent been smoking hardcore or anything. This stuff lasts forever 1 lightly packed bowl will last me about all day.

I am glad to see others are seeing the same effect I thought I was loosing my mind... literally hahha

This could be a big issue with keeping this stuff legal. From what I can tell each product that comes out is stronger than the last. It's how they compete if product X is stronger than product Y and they cost the same people will buy X. The issue is now they have become so strong overdosing is just far too easy. I am thinking of cutting what I have left. If it's still around in a month or two and I have the time I am going to go through a big experiemental run on this stuff.
 
Hi Vovin

if on that side of the pond you have K2 and V, on this side we have zillions of brands: Spice (about 10 varieties), Pulse, Smoke, Skunk, Genie, Mojo, well you name it! Many canabinnoids are used in those admixtures, not only JWH-018.

I tried most of these brands, getting more and more intrigued, and introduced many of my skeptic friends to the world of "legal highs". However when the secret of JWH-018 was revealed last year, I could not stop until I found the pure thing. JWH-018 and JWH-073, among many others can be bought online and are dirt cheap compared to the admixtures. This has the advantage of me being able to carefully measure the amount of substance inhaled. I'm not a smoker, so this was a great thing for me to inhale just a tiny smoke cloud (and I mean tiny!).

But on to your topic. With 073 I've been up to 7 mg, but 018 is much stronger and only once I went to 4 mg, believing in that moment that I was going to die! However, even with 2-3mg I get so catapulted to outer dimensions that the only comparable reference I have is strong Ayahuasca. CEVs abound and tracers and what not. And I'm pulled to the inside, like on good Aya. Music becomes touchable and you perceive all the frequencies and can separate instruments in your mind! O73 is perhaps even a bit more visionary than 018, although not so auditory enhancing. But this is perhaps subjective experience

These substances have grown to me to become quite sacred and I use them sparingly (once a week or twice a month) so I never developed any kind of tolerance. I can easily develop a +++ experience with them. The peak lasts more or less 45 minutes, and in that period I'm usually lost in the most deep abstractions about the fabric of reality. Thus my guess is that you probably hit a more concentrated bit and had your fill of plain JWH-018 or 073! I remember reading that blend makers use between 25 to 50 mg of JWH-018 per 3g packages, so do your math!

My advice: search the web for good suppliers of these substances and bioassay them pure on a lightbulb vaporizer without extraneous plant matter. You will definitely not regret it!
 
CP's are active in even lower doses than JWH's.
If CP's are used in these blands, than it is even very likely that many people will accidentaly take in huge amounts.
 
Big Inhale said:
Unregulated,
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Yes! Fortunately! Let's hope we keep it like that!

Big Inhale said:
Untested, Unknown Chems,
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Like most things in TIHKAL or PIHKAL! With the exceptions of LSD, THC, Mescaline, Psylocibin and, to a less extent, DMT, most other entheogens are officially untested in humans.

Big Inhale said:
Unknown dosage levels, Varied effects sounds dangerous. Just please be careful.
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Naturally anyone should be careful and responsible, like with all other substances discussed here in the Nexus. Although the dosage levels and the effects are more or less known for most synthetic cannabinoids available.
 
I know how dangerous this is. for one there can be medical issues I have read where people have had elevated heart rates and other troubles. Not something I am taking lightly but there are risks in everything like this. trust me extracting and smoking spice was a dangerous road 7 years ago when I took it on. The primary benefit and issue is that the trip lasts for what I think was about 45 minutes. I underwent it by suprise so I had no chance to keep track of time or any other preparation. The 45 mins along with the ability to control your mentality and focus essentially allowing you to 'drive' your trip makes this something that could prove to be highly worthwhile and justifies the risks IMHO.
 
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This stuff intrigues me so... Indeed more research should be done on these compounds. I really like the idea of vaporizing a very small amount for profound effects but I also enjoy the idea of adding a little bit to your favorite smoking blend. Sounds like a great way to get away from the population control that is tobacco's incredibly horrible addiction.
 
If a mod sees this can you move this topic to the (Other Psychocatives) section since there are several posts on this subject there.
 
Okay so heres what I learned (apparently I bought the "enhanced blend")

The package I got was a white tube with a V on it, in front of the V was 2 half naked chica's.

I got a little disclaimer with it mentioning dragon spice potpurri. <- that is the name of the people who make it. They still dont show anything about the compound on their web page, but im sure they have to have a msds sheet somewhere...

anyways heres the site: [url}http://www.thedragonspice.com/how-to-use.html[/URL]

I cant believe I broke down and bought this :) SWIM will test it tonight to see how it is.

E D I T: check out the bioassay below.
 
vovin said:
I know how dangerous this is. for one there can be medical issues I have read where people have had elevated heart rates and other troubles. Not something I am taking lightly but there are risks in everything like this. trust me extracting and smoking spice was a dangerous road 7 years ago when I took it on. The primary benefit and issue is that the trip lasts for what I think was about 45 minutes. I underwent it by suprise so I had no chance to keep track of time or any other preparation. The 45 mins along with the ability to control your mentality and focus essentially allowing you to 'drive' your trip makes this something that could prove to be highly worthwhile and justifies the risks IMHO.
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I dont think thats quite soo risky..I mean sure there are risks to using any new RC..but the thing with JWH that i see in some people, is that they use it multiple times a day, every day it seems. I just dont think it is wise to turn to some RC as an alternative to a daily cannabis habbit. Experimenting with it here and there is different.
 
SWIM decided to bioassay immediately... heres the results:

The taste was quite nice, not unlike strawberries (the packages they had were strawberry or plain i got plain...)

The "come up" was not unlike dmt at all, it gave me quite a headspace.. and the "visuals" were close to that of a 5-10mg dose for SWIM. Slight discoloration on the walls (purple green and blue gel-like vibrating slowly on the walls)

I got a nice body high from it. Wasnt too bad.
 
Soo recently I acquired some synthetic cannabinoid infused herb from the local headshop. "Bizzaros" is the name of it. Black package, purple lettering.

You honestly dont need much. Just one medium sized toke from a pipe and thats pretty much as far as your going with that. But what I noticed it that within a 30 second-1 minute timeframe the body vibration builds and builds and builds and seems crazy similar to the onset of smoked dmt! Like...your whole body is in that buzzing/humming state..while mentally..your not too affected.

The first time I had tried it I tried some from a friend of mine. I made the mistake of taking a huge rip on the pipe and it turned completely psychedelic...music slowwwwed pace,...visually the colors did something odd I cant really put my finger on... But the body buzz....incredibly intense...in a tryptamine/dmt-sh kinda way.

Has anyone else experienced this?
 
I try to stay away from the synthetic cannabinoids, they freak me out...

I've smoked my fair share of "spice" and it just feels waaay to speedy and makes me paranoid. I used to like "K2" up until I smoked two bowls of it and mixed it with another bowl of cannabis, my hands got really tingly and felt swollen and I was seeing the carpet wave, I also remember some sort of mild color distortion.
 
archaic_architect said:
I try to stay away from the synthetic cannabinoids, they freak me out...

I've smoked my fair share of "spice" and it just feels waaay to speedy and makes me paranoid. I used to like "K2" up until I smoked two bowls of it and mixed it with another bowl of cannabis, my hands got really tingly and felt swollen and I was seeing the carpet wave, I also remember some sort of mild color distortion.
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I tried Space Spice, I guess its similer to K2, but anyways that was the highest I ever been, but alot of times, it gave me a looping paranoid experience. Its interesting drug, but its hard to say, if its safe or not.
 
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