I saw friend turn into Satan on DMT

[Exitwound]

Imo the tone is quite forgiving. Dude grabbed a hammer to potentially bash a young women's face in, leading her to hide in a bathroom. That's pretty bad lol.

Yeah, it's kind of crazy situation, such that I'm glad nobody died that night. Maybe harsh tone is well deserved, if you assume that receiving party is ready for such criticism.

However, when you think about OP's potential current state of mind, I feel that they are suffering in this situation as well. It's hard to listen to advice in such state, especially if it's given from the perspective of anger and not love.

Would love to hear from OP, how are they and their friend doing.

 

[ShadedSelf]

To play devils advocate a little bit :twisted:

Personally the general tone that has been giving towards this person sound particularly harsh to me, not to say that they should not be accountable or that they shouldnt reflect and integrate their experience, but I dont see a reason to judge.
They also already stated that the wont touch psychedelics in the near future.

Having the experiece of being attacked by a demon sounds really scary, I wouldnt blame them for letting fear control them, not ideal, but its not really their choice IMO.

We hear someone talk about how they were attacked by negative entities and we validate their experience, and this person has a friend become a demon and we call them psychotic, that confuses me quite a bit.

 

[Voidmatrix]

To play devils advocate a little bit :twisted:

Personally the general tone that has been giving towards this person sound particularly harsh to me, not to say that they should not be accountable or that they shouldnt reflect and integrate their experience, but I dont see a reason to judge.
They also already stated that the wont touch psychedelics in the near future.

Having the experiece of being attacked by a demon sounds really scary, I wouldnt blame them for letting fear control them, not ideal, but its not really their choice IMO.

We hear someone talk about how they were attacked by negative entities and we validate their experience, but then this person has a friend become a demon and we call them psychotic, that confuses me quite a bit.

I agree, being harsh tends to be unproductive.

I could be wrong, but I think some the distinctions others are making are between the entity being disembodied and seemingly "unreal" compared to our pragmatic reality, as well as the scope between harming an entity and harming a real person. Hence the difference of approach.

One love

 

[Ashtray770]

I'm curious if she (the victim) would think the tone was too harsh, or how she would feel if she came here and saw people defending the person who (by all accounts) tried to severaly harm her. I get that yall want to consider this guys feelings, but what about her?

I also would like to point out that he still hasnt accepted that he attempted to harm a human being. What if we were all coo and rainbow's, coddle him and his delusions, then he sees her on the street and attacks or worse murders her because he thinks shes still a demon?
I just think its showing that he has no remorse about attacking this person as well. This guy could be really dangerous friends.. I think you should rethink your stance, as much as I respect it, I disagree very passionately.

 

[Voidmatrix]

I'm curious if she (the victim) would think the tone was too harsh, or how she would feel if she came here and saw people defending the person who (by all accounts) tried to severaly harm her. I get that yall want to consider this guys feelings, but what about her?

No one has defended him... but people have certainly cast judgement...

I also would like to point out that he still hasnt accepted that he attempted to harm a human being. What if we were all coo and rainbow's, coddle him and his delusions, then he sees her on the street and attacks or worse murders her because he thinks shes still a demon?

No one has coddled him...

I think you should rethink your stance of us rethinking our stances...

One love

 

[Ashtray770]

I'm curious if she (the victim) would think the tone was too harsh, or how she would feel if she came here and saw people defending the person who (by all accounts) tried to severaly harm her. I get that yall want to consider this guys feelings, but what about her?

No one has defended him... but people have certainly cast judgement...

I also would like to point out that he still hasnt accepted that he attempted to harm a human being. What if we were all coo and rainbow's, coddle him and his delusions, then he sees her on the street and attacks or worse murders her because he thinks shes still a demon?

No one has coddled him...

I think you should rethink your stance of us rethinking our stances...

One love

Eh fair enough. I disagree but that's ok.

 

[goodone22]

It's difficult to say what's the right thing to do here.

There are very obviously signs here of a psychotic condition of some sort. Now psychoses come in all sorts, and some are very severe, like in cases of schizophrenia. Others are mild, though a mild psychosis is still a very serious condition that can easily ruin lives.

I have seen quite a few cases here, like these. Every now and then, someone comes along who claims to be jesus, god, abducted by aliens, or haunted by demonic entities.

In almost all of these cases, it is no use talking to these people. The delusion has become an idee fixe. It is persistent.

It's exactly like an obsessive stalker who keeps believing that the object of his obsession loves him, even though she is happily married for years, has filed a restraining order several times and repeatedly stated in very harsh words that she does not want to have anything to do with him, ever again.

There often is no way to get through to these people. And yes, we should always try. But don't expect it to make any difference.

dont you think antipsychotic medication can help these people?
from what i know there are people who get treated using medication.this is why websites like wikipedia show treatment section for these illnesses

 

[dragonrider]

It's difficult to say what's the right thing to do here.

There are very obviously signs here of a psychotic condition of some sort. Now psychoses come in all sorts, and some are very severe, like in cases of schizophrenia. Others are mild, though a mild psychosis is still a very serious condition that can easily ruin lives.

I have seen quite a few cases here, like these. Every now and then, someone comes along who claims to be jesus, god, abducted by aliens, or haunted by demonic entities.

In almost all of these cases, it is no use talking to these people. The delusion has become an idee fixe. It is persistent.

It's exactly like an obsessive stalker who keeps believing that the object of his obsession loves him, even though she is happily married for years, has filed a restraining order several times and repeatedly stated in very harsh words that she does not want to have anything to do with him, ever again.

There often is no way to get through to these people. And yes, we should always try. But don't expect it to make any difference.

dont you think antipsychotic medication can help these people?
from what i know there are people who get treated using medication.this is why websites like wikipedia show treatment section for these illnesses

Yes, definately.

The problem is that people have to be willing to accept that their minds are playing tricks on them. And usually they simply refuse to do that.

Most sane people in fact, tend to be much more willing to even consider the possibility that everything they believe to be true could be completely inaccurate, than people who're just very delusional.

And then the next problem is, that antipsychotic medication tends to have a lot of very unpleasant side-effects. So very often, people stop taking them at some point, without consulting their doctor or psychiatrist.

You could say that most antipsychotics do in a way, the opposite of what most recreational drugs do. Most recreational drugs give users a litle shot of dopamine, wich is the main reason why people like the effects of these substances.
But many antipsychotics have the opposite effect, because dopamine is thought to play a key role in psychosis. So instead of feeling "high", these drugs tend to make you feel "low".

That is one of the very unfortunate side-effects of most of those drugs.

 

[Freedom111888]

I think demons can be an image that represents the psychological phenomena of splitting. This is when something is seen as all good or all bad. The demon is pure evil, pure negativity, and image that pure fear can be projected on. Sometimes people or situations can be like this. I think it just represents states of mind. I think sometimes its easier to think the demon and the potential mind state is out there rather than in here.

I once expelled an octopus demon on ayahuasca, and what I did to expel it was to thoroughly feel something in myself.

Sometimes people argue about stuff like this, about what might be factually, objectively true and I just want to be clear I'm just sharing an opinion and not interested in trying to prove what's right or convince anyone of what I think.

 

[goodone22]

I think demons can be an image that represents the psychological phenomena of splitting. This is when something is seen as all good or all bad. The demon is pure evil, pure negativity, and image that pure fear can be projected on. Sometimes people or situations can be like this. I think it just represents states of mind. I think sometimes its easier to think the demon and the potential mind state is out there rather than in here.

I once expelled an octopus demon on ayahuasca, and what I did to expel it was to thoroughly feel something in myself.

Sometimes people argue about stuff like this, about what might be factually, objectively true and I just want to be clear I'm just sharing an opinion and not interested in trying to prove what's right or convince anyone of what I think.

i think you mentioned a freudian concept that has more about to say
when a guy confronts demon or an evil concept in his experience he could say:"oh thats too bad thats too ugly i don't like evil so i go too far in another side that these demons aren't there."
for me it was the case and i sometimes get hyper religous after using hallucinogens and i loose control of my self because i fear of loosing everything.
one time a psychiatrist told me people who get lonely because of their mother abandoning them,they get more frightened than the others even in their adult.they feel loosing more real and deeper because they had a history of loosing everything.

 

[Lil Chizz]

There was a period of about a year where every time I would trip on various substances, my tripmates would inevitably turn to me an tell me that I looked like Satan to them. It wasn't malicious or fearful, oddly enough. They just said I had a demeanor that made me satan-like to them.

I know think that (aside from having a goatee) it was simply because I was internally in a bad place, which I was very private about, and they were simply seeing through my egoic front.

All of us contain within ourselves the multitudinous nature of the universe, the darker aspects included, perhaps you were just glimpsing an aspect that they reflected to you at that time.

Or perhaps your friend is the Prince of Darkness :twisted: