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I think this world is hell. The suffering of people and animals, wars, tooth pain, fragile health, and the fragile human body, brainwashing, all the crazy satanism around, these are all the bad things going on here. They are here you can't refuse it. Truth and kindness are not valued. People hate the truth that makes them uncomfortable and instantly hate you for it.

In the most widespread religions on planet Earth, particularly the Abrahamic ones, it is asserted that hell and heaven are the afterlife destinies of a person depending on what they do in their earthly life..... if their life is pleasing to the Lord, they will end up in the garden of paradise.... if they are a sinner, they will suffer eternally in hell.


Nonetheless, some philosophers have noted that the modern world is already structured in such a way that it resembles a fully realized and well-constructed hell. In this world, the main principle is entropy and the finiteness of everything, and any systems eventually decline and perish without a trace, and among people, the most desirable qualities are adaptability and treachery, while honesty leads only to hatred and a low status.


From this, the conclusion that the modern world is already hell, and the local inhabitants are apparently serving their punishment for certain sins in past lives or some other existence. It is impossible to make the world any different, as these are its fundamental principles.
 
I think this world is hell. The suffering of people and animals, wars, tooth pain, fragile health, and the fragile human body, brainwashing, all the crazy satanism around, these are all the bad things going on here. They are here you can't refuse it. Truth and kindness are not valued. People hate the truth that makes them uncomfortable and instantly hate you for it.
Yes, but that's just ONE side of life. We have good people, love, and joy around too.
In the most widespread religions on planet Earth, particularly the Abrahamic ones, it is asserted that hell and heaven are the afterlife destinies of a person depending on what they do in their earthly life..... if their life is pleasing to the Lord, they will end up in the garden of paradise.... if they are a sinner, they will suffer eternally in hell.
Read up on the history of Christianity, and you'll see that these books were rewritten a bunch of times by everyday, ordinary people.
They put in their own message based on power games and ideas of control. Priests were the only door to God just for that, imo.
Nonetheless, some philosophers have noted that the modern world is already structured in such a way that it resembles a fully realized and well-constructed hell. In this world, the main principle is entropy and the finiteness of everything, and any systems eventually decline and perish without a trace, and among people, the most desirable qualities are adaptability and treachery, while honesty leads only to hatred and a low status.
Here one needs to read up on the history of philosophy & science. They tried to go around Spirit, because it was the domain of the Church.
You need both for a more or less whole picture ;)
From this, the conclusion that the modern world is already hell, and the local inhabitants are apparently serving their punishment for certain sins in past lives or some other existence. It is impossible to make the world any different, as these are its fundamental principles.
Hell & Heaven exist in your own mind. It's just your outlook at the moment. Don't run from it, but don't create unnecessary stories either.
Let it ferment for a while. Continue with your life and develop your own understanding. It shouldn't be based on some external ideas, but your own experience.
Life is a constant movement, so are you. It's all better described by the use of verbs instead of nouns.
If you went too far into thinking and philosophy, maybe it's time to rest and just live for a while. Let it be 🙏
 
Yes, but that's just ONE side of life. We have good people, love, and joy around too.
The idea that Earth is the hell of another world is not my own. Usually, to support this thesis, people simply suggest looking around. All of human history is an endless meat grinder: war after war, epidemic after epidemic, famine, slavery, torture, disease, genocide. And this is the world that a good Lord created? This point confuses many, and I think priests are no exception. Why is the world arranged this way and not otherwise, that is, not better? The common answers to this question sound unconvincing. They talk about free will, that the existing evil is the fault of humanity, or that God punishes sinners, or that evil is created by Satan, but there is a sense of uncertainty in all of this, a feeling of inherent wrongness. If the devil torments people, then why doesn’t the omnipotent God stop him? If God punishes sinners in this way, then what has an infant done to deserve it, who, due to their age, hasn’t had the chance to commit any crimes and is hit by a car? Do people create evil themselves? Perhaps. But truly evil people are very few; why do they define the nature of the entire world, and this has been the case throughout the existence of this world? And again, how did the Lord allow this? Overall, it all seems rather unconvincing. But if we assume that we all died a long time ago and now find ourselves in hell, then everything falls into place.


...the condemnation of suicide becomes understandable. It is an attempt to ESCAPE from prison without serving the sentence.


...the most terrible torment for a person is not knowing what awaits them after death: whether there will be life or if there is nothing ahead. This is truly a HELLISH punishment.


The question arises: what did the real world look like before we died and ended up in hell? If there were sinners in that real world and they ended up in hell, that is, on Earth, then there was evil there too. I believe the real world is a place where every person can communicate with God. And knowing for sure that God exists, some still manage to do evil. One must be a truly hardened sinner for that. And for this, there is punishment: the destruction of memory and being sent to hell, that is, to Earth.


It is very possible that beyond hell, there is another hell. Depending on behavior, a criminal may be granted amnesty or have their punishment intensified. The commandments are a guide to the path of liberation.


We know that the devil is the prince of this world, meaning he is the ruler of Earth. But it is also known that he is the lord of HELL. Again, this indirectly suggests the need to equate hell and Earth. Then everything aligns: the devil rules the Earth, the devil rules hell, which means that Earth and hell have a common ruler; at the very least, Earth and hell are in UNION, or perhaps they are even the same place.
 
Too much thinking, go for a walk and enjoy Nature 🤗
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I can relate to how you are feeling. I understand where you are coming from.

There are many good deeds and works in this world. There are some beautiful souls that choose to walk through hell and help others through it. Everything in this world can be going to hell and one can still choose to find peace within.

It's good to understand hell, the darkness, and all the bad of the world. We see it, understand it and choose to not become it.

You can't call it ALL hell. Look for the beauty.

P.S.
“The world is not respectable; it is mortal, tormented, confused, deluded forever; but it is shot through with beauty, with love, with glints of courage and laughter; and in these, the spirit blooms timidly, and struggles to the light amid the thorns.” ~George Santayana
 
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It is hell. It is also heaven. Its an empty canvas. You, we, can paint whatever we want on that canvas. Good things. Bad things. Everything. That whole system is amazing. Does it include pain etc? Death? Sure. But also life. Trees, rustling in the wind. Love. Dont worry about the big scale. Worry about the things around you, at arms length. Make that a good place, for you, and for others. Make your own heaven. You can engage with the hell that others make. But be sure to not stare into the abyss for too long. Or it might poison your mind.

To accept reality, is to accept the good things... and the bad things. They are all part of this amazing dance, that the canvas allows to be displayed. The canvas does not care about 'good' or 'bad'. It just is.
 
Nicely put Bas.

This resulting canvas is a reflection of oneself. Painted with colors and patterns of your perceptions. These patterns and colors are malleable by using experience and feel to guide your way through the fabric of life.

Turn down the volume of experiences that you feel result in negative patterns (minimize doing what you don't like, minimize reading the 'news', etc.).

Focus on experiences that make you feel happy, that fill you with happiness and love.

It will take 'time' to change out the paints and change the patterns on your fabric of life. If you feel you're running out of time, work on changing your perception of time, paint a pattern that creates time, infinite time if you like.

As always one becomes better at it with experience. So practice practice practice. Just like any other new skill, start small, collect new paints, observe the patterns, and work up to larger scales.

But above all, the changes will need to fit your feelings, align with your heart-strings. Use happiness and love to listen to your heart.

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Focus on experiences that make you feel happy, that fill you with happiness and love.
I love this! So important. I think we often focus on threats in the world, focus on the negative, at least I did for a very long time. Finding things to be grateful for, searching for them daily, allows the mind to reframe life in a more positive light or to find a balance, looking for it and applying it.
 
Some serious gnostic vibes from you @Skr9 !
The material world being the creation of the demiurge and all.

As mentioned by some of the others, this thing is what you make it.
Choose your intention wisely. While you're here, make the best of it.
Besides, perhaps there isn't even a physical universe 'outside' of yourself to begin with?
Go easy on yourself and take good care.
 
In this world, the main principle is entropy and the finiteness of everything, and any systems eventually decline and perish without a trace, and among people, the most desirable qualities are adaptability and treachery, while honesty leads only to hatred and a low status.

I see that you have good background knowledge enabling you to grasp the real nature of things here on this planet @Skr9. I agree with the sentiments of the other members. Although, I feel the guidance you seek is more metaphysical than psychological. i.e. 'Why is it this way? and not, What should I do?'. It is similar in nature to a thread I made titled: "Can We Talk About Why Ordinary States Of Consciousness Are So Suffocating?"


1. Why Are Things The Way They Are?

If we take things back to first principles (to answer for why things are the way they are in a fundamental sense), then we can ask, what happens when you invent biological machines that are resource dependent and compete for limited resources? (food, intelligence, knowledge, etc). They are driven to find more power to then find more power, and so on ad infinitum.

It is a given then that by cause and effect alone, all of the events will really be as you rightly say "an endless meat grinder: war after war, etc".

However, to bring this back to the meaning of others posts here, inside of all of that busy 'going on' as it were, is the jewel of life, consciousness itself... which gets missed along the way as biological machines seek for resources.

Isn't that what most on this forum know deeply from their experiences? The fundamental awe felt in these states at the simple fact that anything exists at all? Beyond all notion of 'good'/'bad'?

So, yes, you are right. Things are, by default, extremely poor in constitution, but only for those who are fooled by their default programming to overlook whats of most value (which I admit I often am too sometimes). Because we a programmed beings (by genetics and synaptic plasticity), well, tendencies, habits and hierarchies will form and predominate, much to the detriment of the organism at times (war, violence, hatred, delusion, ignorance, etc).


2. Relating The Problem Back To Religion/Metaphysics

Tying this back in now with more of a metaphysical religious framework, that is Perennialism (as you were going for). The Buddhist Monks obtain a level of mental clarity unparalleled to any other individual due to the amount of time spent in meditation. This clarity is rightly considered 'more' free of delusion. Therefore, the insights obtained should logically have higher epistemic value (probability for being true). Thus, reincarnation may very well be true. This leads to the importance of obtaining Nibbana (Nirvana) before death, to prevent reincarnation and endless recycling of Kamma in new lives.

To support this view, we may also like to add the additional premise that the brain is a hybrid room-temperature quantum computer providing information transfer from potentially higher dimensional states or from the quantum vacuum. Such a direction is forthcoming in recent work regarding the NCC (neural correlates of consciousness).

If Christian metaphysics is true, then as you say, life may indeed be a testing ground before the afterlife (which might occur in a higher dimensional space where consciousness is co-located). If we merge these two concepts, we obtain a view of recycling that is dependent on linear branching matrices of choice, potentially within an infinite number of multiverses.

So what though? This doesn't really lead anywhere further than what your position originally was, does it? This is still a prison, by definition. Although, given our limited scope of experience and knowledge (that is inexplicably evident when we encounter hyperspace), who are we really to say what is what in our current reference point? Perhaps there is a grand prize at the end, or perhaps its just an old codger behind the curtain pulling some dials on a machine (Wizard of Oz style). This predicament firmly asserts the importance of Faith. If Faith isn't enough for you, then the metaphysical conclusions sought after about life as hell may lie beyond this state of conciousness, which I bet any money will not be able to be put in to words. This is the same reason many turn to meditation, they perceive the emptiness, the nature of Dukkha (suffering) as pervasive, hence, what monks are disciplined to obtain freedom from). The challenge then becomes, do you have enough discipline or do you not?

The Gnostic view of the Demiurge (a devilish sub-god that toys with its puppets in the prison it created for them before they return to the true God/Source), is quite intuitive when considering an afterlife of eternal bliss (which we can't conceive of). If not, then Absurdism presents itself to you with the exact same predicament: "Are you going to overcome your programming?".

Besides, perhaps there isn't even a physical universe 'outside' of yourself to begin with?
I love this @CommonConduit. The perceptual signs of the outside world are only ever a mere symbol, a sign, a gesture to drive your decision of what to do with yourself. We can never know of its truth.

A borrowing of Souls here, and then an exertion and pain felt there, but yet an act of creation of good and bad, held in a captivating dance of a divine play (Lila - in Hinduism) by Brahman. Designed especially to be captivating, convcining of its drama. If there's too much pain for you here, that's okay, you can always retreat inside, in to that place within, that's safe, peaceful, quiet. That same place where we may very well have originally come from, or are returning to after this life.
 
I think this world is hell. The suffering of people and animals, wars, tooth pain, fragile health, and the fragile human body, brainwashing, all the crazy satanism around, these are all the bad things going on here. They are here you can't refuse it. Truth and kindness are not valued. People hate the truth that makes them uncomfortable and instantly hate you for it.

In the most widespread religions on planet Earth, particularly the Abrahamic ones, it is asserted that hell and heaven are the afterlife destinies of a person depending on what they do in their earthly life..... if their life is pleasing to the Lord, they will end up in the garden of paradise.... if they are a sinner, they will suffer eternally in hell.


Nonetheless, some philosophers have noted that the modern world is already structured in such a way that it resembles a fully realized and well-constructed hell. In this world, the main principle is entropy and the finiteness of everything, and any systems eventually decline and perish without a trace, and among people, the most desirable qualities are adaptability and treachery, while honesty leads only to hatred and a low status.


From this, the conclusion that the modern world is already hell, and the local inhabitants are apparently serving their punishment for certain sins in past lives or some other existence. It is impossible to make the world any different, as these are its fundamental
You have to focus your energy on positivity, don’t waste it on negativity, especially things you have no control over. This will have negative effect on your vibration. You are in negative head space. Reading about your recent travels I suspect this is the reason you are left out in the void and told “it’s time for silence”

Today, I tripped on DMT + harmala, and I vaporized both. I vaped harmala, then about 20 mg of DMT from emesh. In the end, I ended up in just emptiness. There was nothing there. No visuals either. It vaguely resembled that familiar DMT-space, but in the end, there was nothing.

I found myself in the void again. I said, 'Where is everyone?' I was told that 'it was time for silence'. I asked, "Why?" but I never got an answer.
You need to listen, self reflect, be true to yourself. Literally take the hint and silence all that negativity and shift your energy and focus.
Be grateful, humble, love.
You need to work on your emotional armour.

Watch your thoughts, they become words.
Watch your words, they become actions.
Watch your actions, they become habit.
Watch your habits, they become character.
Watch your character, it becomes your destiny.
Laozi

Brother i wish you all the best.
 
I think that one of the contributing factors to the world being hell like is that a lot of people don't realise that they are living in paradise . Opression is mostly down to greed and not being happy with what you have. We had it all and we fucked it up....
 
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I have an issue with the idea of something being impossible.
Because whenever someone claimed that, it was often just a matter of time until the opposite was proven.

As for truth, yes, many people resist it.
It confronts them with their own darkness, and they are either unable or unwilling to face and integrate it.
I believe that everyone carries a dark side within.
But that side is not just destructive, it can also be a powerful source of strength, if not suppressed but understood and controlled.

Since I can never be sure whether someone cannot or does not want to confront that side, I think it’s usually better not to forcefully expose their wounds.
It rarely helps.
In fact, it often causes more harm than good. for them, for me, and for others involved.

Evil often prevails over good not because it is stronger, but because the good allows it to act without resistance.
And when someone crosses the moral line against another person, they lose the privilege of being treated with moral deference.
They instead earn the right to be responded to on equal moral terms.

This doesn’t mean one has to retaliate with the same form of harm.
Sometimes, it’s enough to reflect the action back, without adding more violence, but also without pretending nothing happened.
 
My first psychedelic fuelled download was realising life is what you make of it. Hell and heaven exist in the imagination's of the one dreaming them up. The world is __________. Actually, it would be better said as simply, the world is.

I think some of the most powerful people in the world, at all points in history but especially so today, are storytellers. Storytellers are like literal magicians that can change the way reality is perceived to the point you actually believe the story. The best storytellers break these spells for a moment to allow people to glimpse a world beyond their story, I don't know if a world beyond story is completely possible for a human being for any length of time without some serious madness but all that is required is for you to catch a glimpse of something different.

TVs are poor story tellers and so is most of social media and thus the minds of most people you'll interact with. No wonder it feels like hell.

Then the phone gets launched across the sky, lands in a puddle of mud and you turn around, hear the birds, noticing the intricacies of veins in a leaf as the wind sweeps it by in its gentle undulating movements. I think the tree is a better storyteller.
 
How about he just drops constructs, god, creator, hell, heaven... you see, "let go or be dragged"

Your issues about god not being good are rooted in the thought that he is a being existing with agenda you would grasp. Books written by humans who know nothing (as all humans do), are not the best foundation for religious views.

Imagine moment when tiger is biting neck of the gazelle. There is beauty in that. Does gazelle suffer? sure...But there is still beauty in that.

watch this maybe (i really like it, seen it multiple times)
 
Imagine moment when tiger is biting neck of the gazelle. There is beauty in that. Does gazelle suffer? sure...But there is still beauty in that.
That's a great video. A great channel. Good choice. I recommend many videos to @Skr9

As for the suffering of a gazelle, under a psychosomatic lens in psychology, the gazelle, once captured, releases certain hormones and endorphins that blunt their experience of dying, almost paralyzing them to it, mitigating suffering (not necessarily fully). If successful in escape there is somatic processing of the event that can be noticed, such as shaking of the limbs and body, that seem more natural for most other species than humans. We instead store that energy as trauma.

One love
 
Speaking from my own viewpoint first, my suffering is the tool that tempers my arrogance.

My wrinkles, scars and gristle steer me away from constantly seeking new intimate partners. Make me grateful and satisfied with who already loves me.

My physical pain and discomfort remind me of the pain and discomfort of others. To be more patient and understanding. To not inflict physical suffering on anything as far as is possible.

My psychological trauma prompts me to keep working on myself. To constantly improve at the game being played here.

The darkness desires to be understood, not ignored or defeated.


Then speaking of the wider picture that contains all souls. There is an inherent balance that cannot be avoided. If one soul can achieve a life without any suffering, another soul must suffer two fold.

There are two people, two fresh apples and two rotten apples in a room. If one person manages to claim both the fresh apples, then the other has no choice but to take two rotten ones. That is how collective emotional experience works in my view.

The hell you are describing only accounts for the various configurations of who claims which apples.

If every soul allowed themself to suffer the rotten apple then the enjoyment of the fresh one would be heaven.

But what we have is a level up from that individual system. We have a percentage of souls all getting nothing but fresh apples while the rest fight over rotten ones.

Perhaps that is how it is meant to be. We have a perfect balance, individually or collectively, everything is working exactly as intended.

Hell is the fear of the rotten apple. The darkness desires to be understood, not ignored or defeated.
 
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I love this! So important. I think we often focus on threats in the world, focus on the negative, at least I did for a very long time. Finding things to be grateful for, searching for them daily, allows the mind to reframe life in a more positive light or to find a balance, looking for it and applying it.
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Then the phone gets launched across the sky, lands in a puddle of mud and you turn around, hear the birds, noticing the intricacies of veins in a leaf as the wind sweeps it by in its gentle undulating movements. I think the tree is a better storyteller.
In my opinion, I agree.
There is both good and bad in this world.
Psychedelics tend to enhance perception in general.
Unfortunately, there often seems to be more bad than good.
That's why it's important to consciously focus on the good parts of life on Earth.

One important point for me personally is to do the inner work.
That means facing one's own darker sides in order not to contribute to the negativity that already exists.
But I also know that this is difficult and not always possible.
Focusing only on the good within ourselves risks ignoring the darker parts,
which may then act freely in the background.
I think some of the most powerful people in the world, at all points in history but especially so today, are storytellers. Storytellers are like literal magicians that can change the way reality is perceived to the point you actually believe the story. The best storytellers break these spells for a moment to allow people to glimpse a world beyond their story, I don't know if a world beyond story is completely possible for a human being for any length of time without some serious madness but all that is required is for you to catch a glimpse of something different.
What I really like about this paragraph is that it implies there's magic everywhere.
Very well put, in my opinion.
Sometimes, breaking a spell simply requires reflecting on what was said and how it was said,
then observing what thoughts were triggered, drawing a conclusion, questioning that conclusion,
and finally coming to rest for a moment in silence.
 
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