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Iboga Eyedrops Experience

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Also, while it may be naturally occurring, DMSO that you buy is likely to have been produced by the oxidation of dimethyl sulfide. This synthetic process undoubtedly leaves contaminants. Ask anyone who has ever used mass spec how many impurities there are in the average synthetic compound ;) Peaks and valleys and peaks and valleys.

Are you buying food grade DMSO? USP grade?
Even still, I don't think the approving FDA has our best interests in mind :)

An absence of the proof of harm is not proof of the absence of harm, and personally, I think there is plenty evidence for me to not think putting this in my eye is a fantastic idea.

Work in the pharmaceutical industry for a while and watch how "harmless chemicals" cripple, every single day. What we don't know can most definitely hurt us, and we have proof that this substance is capable of damaging both the nervous system and the eye.
 
Additionally, before you suggest that a rat can serve as a valid model for human toxicity, you should look at how many drugs PASS animal testing, but then don't even make it through phase I of human clinical trials. Of the drugs that make it THROUGH animal trials, which must include rodent, and non-rodent studies, only 8% make it to market. This is 92% of drugs, we say are SAFE in rodents and dogs/monkeys/cats, BUT NOT FIT FOR HUMANS.

Until we administer DMSO to a human, by eye, on a regular basis, and examine his insides, we cannot say this is a safe process.

Of the drugs that DO make it through, the drugs that ARE declared safe, nearly all of these "Safe" molecules have killed a lot of people. Valproic Acid, the front-line drug for epilepsy, has been deemed safe, but a substantial percentage of the people who take it show permanent cortical shrinking. This APPROVED, "Safe" drug eats away at your cortex (the part of brain responsible for pretty much the entirety of experience, personality, and higher-cognitive functioning.

Sorry. I just don't believe this is wise.
 
Trips said:
Additionally, before you suggest that a rat can serve as a valid model for human toxicity, you should look at how many drugs PASS animal testing, but then don't even make it through phase I of human clinical trials. Of the drugs that make it THROUGH animal trials, which must include rodent, and non-rodent studies, only 8% make it to market. This is 92% of drugs, we say are SAFE in rodents and dogs/monkeys/cats, BUT NOT FIT FOR HUMANS.

Until we administer DMSO to a human, by eye, on a regular basis, and examine his insides, we cannot say this is a safe process.

Of the drugs that DO make it through, the drugs that ARE declared safe, nearly all of these "Safe" molecules have killed a lot of people. Valproic Acid, the front-line drug for epilepsy, has been deemed safe, but a substantial percentage of the people who take it show permanent cortical shrinking. This APPROVED, "Safe" drug eats away at your cortex (the part of brain responsible for pretty much the entirety of experience, personality, and higher-cognitive functioning.

Sorry. I just don't believe this is wise.
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As someone who has worked in the pharma industry I approve this message! :thumb_up: :d
 
This schooling is ironic considering OP started off by telling everyone how he dropped some magical rootbark straight into his eyeballs :lol:

Not to take away from anything at all, I just found this somewhat hilarious.


Now Trips, what could you say about the impurities in nootropic substances like Noopept or Piracetam? Noopept being active at like 5mg upwards or probably less implies it is the ideal eyedropped nootropic (perhaps with some NGF in the mix). Do you think it would be a wise idea to make Noopept eye drops? What about Eyeahuasca, just straight up dropping spice+harmala extract all up in there?

I think that different ROAs tingle different nerves first before others thereby inducing a qualitatively different character of experience even after taking account of the metabolic rate/path differences between given ROAs. I mean you describe Iboga eyedrops as a thorougly "IN body experience", could you comment on whether this is a subjectively different experience from say the proportionately equivalent oral dose, after taking into consideration differences between ROA?


Oral dosing always hits the "little brain in the gut" first IME. Then it spreads upwards. But eyedrops seem like they'd hit the brain first and foremost and the gut would be further downstream. The gut-brain experience does tell you a lot about an impending experience. When you have a heroic dose sitting cushty in your stomach it tends to provoke a sense of OOOOOH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH BOY OH BOY but you don't really get that privilege vaping spice. It knocks you out before you even see it coming.
 
Nature is welcome in my eye. :) ;)

I used the shamanistic doctrine of signatures to determine that "eyeBoga" clearly belongs in my eye. Obviously.

Having experimented with many Nootropics, I felt them to all be pretty detrimental to the kind of mindset I'm working on maintaining. Additionally, I don't think it is WISE to put ANYTHING into your eye.

I was just bored. haha.
 
And it was totally different qualitatively from an equivalent dose orally. Oral use detaches me from my awareness of reality. Even in little doses, it pushes me further from my body. This made me HYPERAWARE of my body in a way that oral use could not.
 
My apologies Trips for the immature and rude response. Much love.

Do you mind if I post forthcoming info on eye drops on this thread or would it be better to make a new thread? Infos on MSM, Colloidal Silver, and DMSO for eye drops as well as Kambo possibilities for eye drops.

The reason Colloidal Silver would turn something blue is of course because it would bond with anything but distilled water. So must be distilled water. Of course food grade DMSO. I'm an avid stickler to nature and it would be a shame if we didn't team up our efforts. Excuse my rash and unresponsible post.
 
I'd never do kambo as eyedrops. If you put kambo in your mouth and keep it in one spot, that area swells up a bit. Also, if you scrape of the very top layer of skin on a small area of your arms/legs with sandpaper and applies kambo, it will swell up.

If you apply it to a large area in this way, it will swell up into a large bump. And the marks it has left on my skin is still there 9+ months later.

So, I would hate to think what it would do to my eyes.
 
I remember your posts on that. The way I will someday do them as eye drops is to dilute them so it will not be putting globules on eyes. I'll keep asking and see what happens. Until then the long cautious wait of respect and reverence will be in tact so I don't do anything stupid. I know well to not dabble in the hazardous. At the same time the little epiphenies have some truth to follow through on.
 
Kambo is very resistant to heat, so it can be extracted into water. It can withstand 200C/392F easily. Can be used to dilute or concentrate a drop for application. You could probably concentrate it enough so that only one dot on the skin would be enough. I am not sure diluting it would help that much when applied on the eye, so be very careful with this, maybe try it just for a short time at first and then go from there.
 
OK thanks for the help. I'm in no rush and will explore all reasonable options of information before doing so. Because I'm so cautious likely someone more maverick than I will do so before me. Hopefully they will realize how dangerous this is. I still need to dig up the youtube video I found years ago of the guy harvesting Kambo that accidently flung a bunch in his eye, went blind for hours and then had amazingly accute vision. A time or two when preparing Kambo for other people I have gotten close to flinging it into my eye, seems like this would happen to those that frequently treat others with Kambo.

All the best!
 
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