Iboga - First time use

[mescaline-man]

By the way, I'm still a little confused about the whole Caapi/Ayahuasca thing.

This is the way I understand it so please correct me if I'm wrong-
Ayahuasca is the brew made from a combination of 2 plants: one containing DMT (caapi?) and the other which allows the DMT absorbed into the stomach (an MAOI??)

So when people speak of taking caapi alone, how is it that they get an effect from the DMT without combining it with the other component? I would understand if it was smoked or something but I thought it got broken down in the stomach?

This is my limited understanding so please excuse me if I am way off! :?

Don't worry i didn't understand either not too long ago. Caapi doesn't contain any dmt it has the maoi's and psychotria viridis contains the dmt & is used in the ayahuasca ceremony most commonly, some use mimosa hostillis or other dmt containing plants in combination with caapi or syrian rue seeds (another maoi) to make it orally active. The difference between caapi and syrian rue seeds is that caapi contains tetrahydroharmine. They both contain harmaline and harmine which are the maoi's. I guess the tetrahydroharmine is the spirit of the vine maybe?

 

[ddraig]

Hi,
Glad to hear that you are going to go through with it. Maybe write some questions down to think about during the experience, like asking what is the root cause of your depression etc... As I mentioned before, some soothing music on in the background can really help

Maybe purchase some root bark to microdose for a few months afterword, if you are really concerned. but you may not need it if you are willing to take full advantage of the ibo-glow afterwords.

Definitely exercise and positive 'hobbies' that get you involved with positive people will be hugely beneficial.

As far as meditation, I find that this works:

Opening the Chakras

Chakra meditations that use mudras and sounds to open chakras

www.eclecticenergies.com

Start by focusing on your root chakra about 10-20 minutes every morning for a couple of weeks, and see if you feel more centered.

 

[Escape]

Don't worry i didn't understand either not too long ago. Caapi doesn't contain any dmt it has the maoi's and psychotria viridis contains the dmt & is used in the ayahuasca ceremony most commonly, some use mimosa hostillis or other dmt containing plants in combination with caapi or syrian rue seeds (another maoi) to make it orally active. The difference between caapi and syrian rue seeds is that caapi contains tetrahydroharmine. They both contain harmaline and harmine which are the maoi's. I guess the tetrahydroharmine is the spirit of the vine maybe?

Ok, that makes sense. I've heard of people making home brews with syrian rue. I've also heard of people having a good time just from drinking a brew made from syrian rue. Thank you both for clearing that up for me. I realise I have a lot more to learn on the subject.
By the way I got some of that rhodiola rosea stuff today! I'll let you know how that goes in a couple of days! :thumb_up:

 

[Escape]

Hi,
Glad to hear that you are going to go through with it. Maybe write some questions down to think about during the experience, like asking what is the root cause of your depression etc... As I mentioned before, some soothing music on in the background can really help

Maybe purchase some root bark to microdose for a few months afterword, if you are really concerned. but you may not need it if you are willing to take full advantage of the ibo-glow afterwords.

Definitely exercise and positive 'hobbies' that get you involved with positive people will be hugely beneficial.

As far as meditation, I find that this works:

Opening the Chakras

Chakra meditations that use mudras and sounds to open chakras

www.eclecticenergies.com

Start by focusing on your root chakra about 10-20 minutes every morning for a couple of weeks, and see if you feel more centered.

Thanks man, I'm really excited about it. My girlfriend/sitter is not so enthusiastic about it though since she doesn't understand the whole expanding consciousness thing bless her!

I'll check out those links for sure. I would usually practice sitting qigong which involves focusing on the lower dan tien (similar to the navel chakra maybe?) But it would be good to try a different approach.

I should have just over a gram of TA left for possible micro dosing. I really dunno how I'm gunna go about that but maybe I'll just have 100 - 200 mgs in a capsule every other day after the glow wears off or maybe just take it every now and then when my ego tries to take over!

 

[Kambogahuascanga]

Greetings,
Just saw this. I have over the past 3 years a lot of experience w/Iboga and 3 years before that researching it. I have a friend in the UK that works with folks as well. I don't recommend having a sitter that is not thoroughly dedicated and in the know. Sounds like your girlfriend is iffy in terms of what's in store. This is about as clutch as it's gonna get and you don't want someone that is anything other than fully present.

As well micro dosing with RB is best for preperation. And only need it from time to time afterwords. TA is for boosters mainly @500mg can do twice...3-7 days after and one month after. Don't drink alchohol after as it will diminish the noribogaine effects that will heal your depression. It almost works the opposite of most dietas as for Iboga afterwords is where you want to watch what you put in your body, IMO.

Kambo and Microdosing RB @300-500mg 2-3 times a day for one month will be great preperation. Seems as most of us would though this will be a sort of preliminary initiation and maybe down the road you can fine tune it to perfection.

Also we have here Mary Poppins who is a total expert. Might be to busy but you could try to pm and draw attention to your post see if it grabs Mary Poppins.

Bless on your path.

PS I had different views than many presented already, not to start any debates or anything, but if someone hasn't had Iboga I wouldn't ask them about Iboga.

 

[Kambogahuascanga]

Also soothing music is nice but if you want to go "their" to Iboga land and get a piece of Bwiti search under Iboga: Bwiti Music Gold Mine. And youtube search 8sacredroot8 and then can convert the youtube files to MP3. To put it nicely if I am to initiate someone they have to qualify. One of the qualifications for initiation is they have to be able to handle Bwiti Music as for some it's too much. They also have to do Kambo to clean the body, as the Bwiti do a cleansing/purging ceremony the day before. They also have to confess their "sins" before ceremony to get the weight off their visions. And the most important is the intentions. Must dive deeply into what you want and be specific. For instance saying you want to heal your depression is too vague. Be as specific as possible with yourself.

Just my thoughts, don't mean to preach but I take the Father and those that take it very seriously. As it is an endagered species we need to be very intentional and respectful of this high plant spirit "God".

 

[Escape]

Greetings,
Just saw this. I have over the past 3 years a lot of experience w/Iboga and 3 years before that researching it. I have a friend in the UK that works with folks as well. I don't recommend having a sitter that is not thoroughly dedicated and in the know. Sounds like your girlfriend is iffy in terms of what's in store. This is about as clutch as it's gonna get and you don't want someone that is anything other than fully present.

As well micro dosing with RB is best for preperation. And only need it from time to time afterwords. TA is for boosters mainly @500mg can do twice...3-7 days after and one month after. Don't drink alchohol after as it will diminish the noribogaine effects that will heal your depression. It almost works the opposite of most dietas as for Iboga afterwords is where you want to watch what you put in your body, IMO.

Kambo and Microdosing RB @300-500mg 2-3 times a day for one month will be great preperation. Seems as most of us would though this will be a sort of preliminary initiation and maybe down the road you can fine tune it to perfection.

Also we have here Mary Poppins who is a total expert. Might be to busy but you could try to pm and draw attention to your post see if it grabs Mary Poppins.

Bless on your path.

PS I had different views than many presented already, not to start any debates or anything, but if someone hasn't had Iboga I wouldn't ask them about Iboga.

Hey, thanks for the advice. I'm always interested in hearing from people who have experienced Ibo before.

So basically, I have just ordered 5 grams of TA powder which, so I'm told from various sources, is good quality. I'm repeating myself now but I don't want you to have to read through all of my previous posts! I have been advised to take 3.4 grams for a flood dose based on my age, weight etc. I'm told to take 4 - 500mgs every half an hour.

As a student I don't have a great deal of cash so I don't really want to have to shell out for some more for microdosing. Surely I can use the remaining 1.6 grams to micro dose? I mean, presumably, taking very small amounts of TA (50 - 100mgs) every other day could have a similar effect to taking a higher dose of the RB? Anyway, I wasn't neccesarily planning on microdosing before hand (except maybe the day before) so this is a new idea for me. To put it simply, what would be the best way to make use of the 5 grams I have i.e. pre and post flood?

With regards to preparations, I can assure you that it will be taken in the most respectful way possible: meditation and setting intentions before each dose; a playlist of music (I have some mantras which were played after ceremony at the Ayahuasca retreat I went to but I will also check out that Bwiti music); and maybe some relaxing oil incence. I'm thinking about juice fasting for 12 hours beforehand followed by doing an enema to help get me healthy and clean out my system (hopefully it will also mean that I won't have to drag myself to the toilet upstairs)

I don't have any means to take kambo but I only returned from an Ayahuasca retreat a month ago and that cleaned a lot out of my system! And about my girlfriend as a sitter - she is the only person who I would feel close enough to to allow her to be there and for me to not feel awkward if you know what I mean! Whilst she is uneducated in this particular area, she is somewhat intrigued and open minded about it.

How did you feel after a flood dose? What happened when the glow wore off so to speak? Did you address the changes you needed to address? and how long do I need for the initial experience in your opinion? I have to work inbetween my studies so I can only afford 2 full days. If I take it on a Monday morning I'll have to be at work by Weds evening! Is this doable or am I gunna have to pull a sickie?!

Peace

 

[Kambogahuascanga]

Well it's doable with Iboga World's TA and being a very small dose your taking. But to be safe I would take a day off just in case. The Bwiti always take it in the evening as it is an oneoriphic (my spelling is off) visions occur in the dark with eyes closed. As little light as possible. Just like Aya if the visions get scary open your eyes and start over again.

Yes I got everything I wanted and more. It saved my life and not from addictions but something of a different sort more akin to PTSD and facing serious ummm... judgements(?). Made me to take everything in and turn it into gold and face the perilous future with an iron stomach.

Someone was wrong here, everyone I initiate purges...for the Bwiti it is imperative. And I always do with TA and some RB. Purging is part of the healing. When I initiate multiple people often one of the candidates will see evil spirits leaving the other candidate when they are purging. Surreal. Banzi (Initiate).

Well crazy advice but if I were you I'd take it all. But that's if I were you. And incrementally yes but all within 15 minutes so as not to purge it out. Yeah sounds like a lot but I only weigh 10 more pounds than you and I took 7.7gr TA with 8gr RB and I'm here to write to you.

Then you can purchase RB. PM if you want and I'll connect you with your country men(woman) who can sell it at an affordable price.

But it is practically necessary to take a test dose...so...you should take at least 500mg of the TA the night before to see how it goes and to make sure you are in line. Kora music is nice too that is the African Harp. Toumani Diabate.

If Mary Poppins chimes in just listen to what he/she says as he/she is basically my teacher in terms of Iboga and microdosing. But that's a big if as he/she is very elusive.

I forget why I said that about your GF, I think you said she was uncertain about it, it was several posts ago and it triggered a red flag in me.

There are some other well versed Ibogaites here as well, maybe they'll see this. If you go to the Eboka.info forum you'll be right at home. But I really like it here too and you'll get far more responses here.

Blessings future Banzi!

 

[Escape]

Well it's doable with Iboga World's TA and being a very small dose your taking. But to be safe I would take a day off just in case. The Bwiti always take it in the evening as it is an oneoriphic (my spelling is off) visions occur in the dark with eyes closed. As little light as possible. Just like Aya if the visions get scary open your eyes and start over again.

Yes I got everything I wanted and more. It saved my life and not from addictions but something of a different sort more akin to PTSD and facing serious ummm... judgements(?). Made me to take everything in and turn it into gold and face the perilous future with an iron stomach.

Someone was wrong here, everyone I initiate purges...for the Bwiti it is imperative. And I always do with TA and some RB. Purging is part of the healing. When I initiate multiple people often one of the candidates will see evil spirits leaving the other candidate when they are purging. Surreal. Banzi (Initiate).

Well crazy advice but if I were you I'd take it all. But that's if I were you. And incrementally yes but all within 15 minutes so as not to purge it out. Yeah sounds like a lot but I only weigh 10 more pounds than you and I took 7.7gr TA with 8gr RB and I'm here to write to you.

Then you can purchase RB. PM if you want and I'll connect you with your country men(woman) who can sell it at an affordable price.

But it is practically necessary to take a test dose...so...you should take at least 500mg of the TA the night before to see how it goes and to make sure you are in line. Kora music is nice too that is the African Harp. Toumani Diabate.

If Mary Poppins chimes in just listen to what he/she says as he/she is basically my teacher in terms of Iboga and microdosing. But that's a big if as he/she is very elusive.

I forget why I said that about your GF, I think you said she was uncertain about it, it was several posts ago and it triggered a red flag in me.

There are some other well versed Ibogaites here as well, maybe they'll see this. If you go to the Eboka.info forum you'll be right at home. But I really like it here too and you'll get far more responses here.

Blessings future Banzi!

I'm happy to hear it's helped you so much, seems like this bark is the real deal! Have you tried Aya before? I found that I didn't get everything I wanted from it and, whilst I try not to build up my expectations, I'm hoping for some big changes with Ibo. I just hope it's not too much to ask.

7.7 grams of TA? That sounds like an awful lot! Can I still get a decent flood with say, 4 grams? The testimonials on the website indicated that people got what they wanted just by taking what was recommended (usually between 2.5 to 3.5 grams).

I should be okay doing it during the day as I have both blinds and curtains so I'm able to make the room very dark. You mentioned taking 500mgs the night before. Will that not keep me awake? Would I be better taking it earlier on? Is it worth setting aside that half gram and taking it daily in sub-threshold amounts in the days leading up to the flood? What's the most I can take before it will start to effect me (I need to be able to go to work etc)?

Supposing I don't need the full amount, perhaps I can follow the same procedure in the weeks following the flood. Maybe 50mgs every other day?

But yeh, I'll look into getting the rootbark. I know of a source that sells it in tinctures for taking very small sub-threshold doses daily but I am open to any suggestions you may have. Having said that, I'm not really keen on the idea of making brews or doing chemical extractions or anything. I'd rather just take it in tincture or capsule form for convenience.

As a side note - I'd be interested to hear what Mary Poppins has to say about Iboga(that's a sentence I never thought I would ever write!), and also the BancoPuma guy?? Anyway, I think I have to be promoted or something before I can post on the main threads as I am still a new user. Know anything about this?

:thumb_up:

 

[christian]

As a side note - I'd be interested to hear what Mary Poppins has to say about Iboga(that's a sentence I never thought I would ever write!),:thumb_up:

Haha, i wonder what "Mary Poppins" would say??

I don't have any Iboga experience except for lots of research, and i've read that it should not be used untill every other method of treatment has been shown to not work. I don't care what people say, but people that have been treated and cured for addictions with Iboga have slided back because they didn't have a positive change of lifestyle laid out for them. Iboga isn't the cure, just a tool. Your actions are your cure.

Depression is an illness that will always be waiting to pounce the person who doesn't eat well, exercise regularly , have a healthy work/ life balance, etc, etc... Ayahuasca, Iboga, etc, etc. Clearly there's a lot more to simply taking Iboga and expecting it to cure depression. There's a hell of a lot more than just this. To say otherwise is ignorance.

Good luck with the Kambo. Never heard anyone else reccomend this with Iboga.

Well crazy advice but if I were you I'd take it all. But that's if I were you. And incrementally yes but all within 15 minutes so as not to purge it out. Yeah sounds like a lot but I only weigh 10 more pounds than you and I took 7.7gr TA with 8gr RB and I'm here to write to you.

Wow, Kambo, you're lucky to be alive. I think this is rather irresponsible to post this actually because high doses can kill, and i don't think we should be printing irresponsability. I urge care with the dosing of Ibogaine, and also in the interests of harm reduction to follow the necessary guidelines when using it.

 

[Kambogahuascanga]

I'm gonna ignore your statements for the most part C as I have read what you have wrote in the past and don't find it to be based in experience.

I don't like to specifically recommend dosage as it is a risky department. That being said I think I have said enough on that one.

Obviously his/her name is not Mary Poppins but a pseudonym

Giovanni Lattanzi is the pioneer of using Kambo to prepare for Iboga. For your information Christian. I've heard you on here talking down to rOm before, which means you were already on my not favorite peoples list.

Rather than to make this about you and me which I can tell you where that would go, why don't I stay out of this and if brother E wants to pm some more experienced cats than I he can.

I think I said enough already.

 

[christian]

I've heard you on here talking down to rOm before, which means you were already on my not favorite peoples list.

Some would simply say mind your own business, what went on then was between him and me, and i don't make a habit of speaking down to anyone, unless i'm drunk or sommat, then i apologise where necessary.

I think you're funny Kambo, really.

 

[Kambogahuascanga]

Most people do. Quintessential jokester, but man oh man do I both love and hate forums at the same time. Squabbles.

I will do better to mind my own ego, I mean business. I create enough work for myself as is.

But just a word, I do have a friendship with rOm.

Peace C

 

[christian]

But just a word, I do have a friendship with rOm. Peace C

I got on fine with Rom, untill "that day". To be honest i completely forgot about it untill now. I got a temporary ban if you didn't know, so i paid my dues, then i moved on. Because i'm on my own path, i don't tend to take it too personally if the odd disagreement occurs. That's forum squabbles if you like. As much as i love this site, it isn't all that there is in my life.

Cheers.

 

[smoalker]

I tried iboga myself the other day and it was one of the most cleansing experiences of my life ,
Although I only chewed a tiny amount I felt something amazing.
It was like my brain had been re wired and the chemicals out of balance in my brain had been set back to normal .
The main thing I noticed was the removal of an underlying unhappiness that has been with me for years.
I am very eager to start my micro dosing regime its amazing stuff and the most powerful healing tool I have come across in my travels.

 

[christian]

Thanks Smoalker, i'm very interested in the Iboga experience myself. It was nice to hear some new iboga voice, as well as the old ones....

 

[Escape]

I tried iboga myself the other day and it was one of the most cleansing experiences of my life ,
Although I only chewed a tiny amount I felt something amazing.
It was like my brain had been re wired and the chemicals out of balance in my brain had been set back to normal .
The main thing I noticed was the removal of an underlying unhappiness that has been with me for years.
I am very eager to start my micro dosing regime its amazing stuff and the most powerful healing tool I have come across in my travels.

Thanks smoalker, it's really reassuring to get some positive feedback about this medicine. I hope the micro dosing goes well for you. So did you just chew on some root bark then? How much did you have? Enough to have visions, become immobile etc?

 

[mescaline-man]

Don't worry i didn't understand either not too long ago. Caapi doesn't contain any dmt it has the maoi's and psychotria viridis contains the dmt & is used in the ayahuasca ceremony most commonly, some use mimosa hostillis or other dmt containing plants in combination with caapi or syrian rue seeds (another maoi) to make it orally active. The difference between caapi and syrian rue seeds is that caapi contains tetrahydroharmine. They both contain harmaline and harmine which are the maoi's. I guess the tetrahydroharmine is the spirit of the vine maybe?

Ok, that makes sense. I've heard of people making home brews with syrian rue. I've also heard of people having a good time just from drinking a brew made from syrian rue. Thank you both for clearing that up for me. I realise I have a lot more to learn on the subject.
By the way I got some of that rhodiola rosea stuff today! I'll let you know how that goes in a couple of days! :thumb_up:

Awesome yea let us know how it goes, i might try it out in the future just to satisfy my curiosity.

 

[marypoppins]

[
Here is what I would like to know -

1)Has anyone here self administered Iboga this way (using this method and for the treatment of depression as opposed to drug addiction) and what were the results?


I am "aware" of several treatments for depressionn using iboga. Depression is a wide term, and one should know if we are talking about biochemical inbalances or post trauma or other cause

you can PM for more info on how i know what i know

Generally for depression you need smaller doses repeated 3 - 4 times
You do not need a 'detox' flood - generally about 2 thirds of that



2)Whilst I appreciate that it's probably better to use Iboga in a proffesional/spiritual environment under the supervision of experienced people, this is also very expensive. It would be nice to have someone to empty my sick bucket and tell me that everything's going to be ok but, as a poor student, doing it in my bedroom with my girlfriend watching over me occasionally sounds like a more appropriate method. Is this relatively safe? and do I need to book 3 or 4 days off work?!

Do NOT take iboga first time without and experience iboga sitter who has flooded several times
Yes - some have and survived; but some have had some pretty bad scarring
Iboga not only plays with your mind there are some real intense physical symptoms
and when they kick in, you need a calm experienced sitter to help reassure you and to recenter you.
In some instances, although rare, they might have to make a more serious call
This does not include the possibility of falling and banging oned head or swallowing ones vomit
As for time off - minimum 3 full days - and for some it could be more


3)Should I take the 3.4gs all in one go with my yogurt or shall I just have say 0.5 every hour or so? And should I begin in the morning or evening?

my advice would be to go for 2.5 - split as 1, then 60 minutes later 1.5

4)Do I need to fast or avoid certain foods, drugs, other substances before, during and after my trip?

best is the day of the journey - only liquids (no grapefruit juice)
the day before the journey stick to fruits and vegetables
no alcohol for a couple of day and no meds
the cleaner your system is - the more profound the experience

5)Has anyone successfuly treated depression using the micro dosing method? If so, what is the best, most cost effective way to do this? Or should I just stick to flood therapy?

microdosing is tricky business and works best after a large dose
you have to experiment
try 300 mg once a day for a week first thing in am
then you can try it 2x a day - or double the dose
some people respond best every other day

6)If it is best that I visit a retreat clinic instead, does anyone know any good ones in the UK or at least in Europe?

in my opinion - clinics are too boxed in and rigid and expensive
find someone who is experienced and can be with you for you

7)Finally, am I going the right way towards fixing depression (bare in mind that I eat well and meditate a lot so most of my life is healthy)?. Like most sufferers, I feel like I've tried everything and it's bloody tiring! Some success stories would be nice.

Iboga can really help many people whether they need a chemical reset or release from (even hidden) trauma - butu in the end ,the work is up to you



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[Escape]

Thank you for your response,

So you mentioned the flood dose needs to be less for someone who is depressed than for someone who wants to detox from hard drugs. This is something I am trying to find out more information about. Iboga World have advised me to take 3.4 grams for a flood. Could I still have a sufficient flood with say, 2.5 grams? I have 5 grams anyway so that way I could have 2 floods in the space of a year or whatever is needed. I hear of micro dosing and flooding but I never hear of anything inbetween. Can I get some kind of mini flood with 2 - 2.5 grams and still get good results? Please tell me about the smaller doses taken 3 - 4 times thing you mentioned.

And when you mentioned micro dosing, are you talking about TA? I only have TA. Presumably I would only need a very small amount compared with the rootbark.

I realise depression is a broad term. I would say mine stems from repressed feelings, negative beliefs about self etc. I have tried Prozac with limited success and alternative stuff (5-HTP, rhodiola rosea, St. Johns wort, kanna etc.) does nothing for me. Most of the time, I wouldn't say I'm deeply depressed, I just feel like there are some things deep down I need to take care of to really fulfil my potential. I have dabbled in hypnotherapy and councilling but it never lasts long because we end up both agreeing that I'm all good and that there is nothing really wrong, only to find that I am left with the same void afterwards!

Anyway, I have been on an Ayahuasca retreat which was great for a bit of purging and helped me to understand what my problems are, and it was awesome to visit these other realms, but I don't feel it was as direct as I would hope Iboga to be. I just feel like I need to have a good, long and deep conversation with my inner most self if you know what I mean!?

As for my sitter. She is the only person who could possibly sit for me. I am closer to her than any of my best friends and she knows more about my depressed side as well as my spiritual side than anyone else. I plan to take it gently with the dosing and inform her of everything that may happen. She is willing to sit with me for the most intense part and to check on me intermitently afterwards. I will have blankets nearby, pillows and bed sheets positioned in such a way to support my self and to minimise the possibility of choking on my puke. She will keep me calm and help me drink water. I have also written down the name of the drug and some contact numbers in the (unlikely) event that I may have to go to hospital.

I really appreciate your concern regarding this matter but I have little other option other than going to a retreat (which would be too costly).

So, with this in mind, can you give me any advise as to the best way to do this thing as safely as possible? What can you tell me about my sitter's responsibilities so that I may pass on the information?

Any other useful info you can give me about my situation, the after effects, what to expect from my life etc etc would be greatly appreciated. I value your experience.

Cheers