If you're having trouble getting crystals from acrb, use this tek (thick-light)

[BobDobalina]

@*oneironaut*
I can't reply to your PM, but to keep it short: bunk / low DMT ACRB might be a distinct possibility. I have a full PM typed out that I had to save in notepad until it lets me send it

However I found something hopeful in my freezer just now. I did a pull on my first batch of basified solution when I only used ~40g root bark. I used hotter naptha this time and more salt. It actually pulled more than my pull from the ~200g batch. I'm going to try hotter nap and more salt on the 200g batch tonight.

 

[*oneironaut*]

@*oneironaut*
I can't reply to your PM, but to keep it short: bunk / low DMT ACRB might be a distinct possibility. I have a full PM typed out that I had to save in notepad until it lets me send it

However I found something hopeful in my freezer just now. I did a pull on my first batch of basified solution when I only used ~40g root bark. I used hotter naptha this time and more salt. It actually pulled more than my pull from the ~200g batch. I'm going to try hotter nap and more salt on the 200g batch tonight.

Oh forgot about new members not being able to pm... no worries. Does sound hopeful

I look forward to PMing with you WHEN you are a full member. 1 vote down

 

[Rifle]

I find it takes quite a bit of stirring to get the lye fully dissolved and even when I can't see any left I find there's pressure released after opening the lid after the first few shakes. Sometimes I wonder if the low pressure created when the jar cools can potentially crack it. I always keep the jar in a tray just in case.

My first extraction my jar cracked all around the bottom but thankfully held together. Not sure when it happened, but I don't think pressure would result in a crack w/out an explosion so I'm guessing there was too fast of a temperature change at some point.

Mainly, people need to be cautious in many ways when using glass jars.

 

[shanedudddy2]

Geez! How did this happen? Adding water to the lye first or...?

Putting the very hot basified solution in a glass jar with a lid, adding naptha that was room temperature, then shaking. Then smash!! glass shards of death! The cleanup job was probably the worst part of that

Hey guys, I`ve got a question.
I ran through a trial with a small part of the confusa I got, and simply evaporated as I wanted to see if there was anything there worthwhile.
Got what looked to be a white film with crystal specks, then when scraped up, turned into the infamous goo.
Is there any way to recover from my amber goo, and get anything like the nice crystals others are reporting?

Does the NMT and plant fats remain in the Naptha solution whilst in the freezer? and as such only the DMT precipitates out? Just a bit confused how it works when I get such a gooey substance from an Evap.

 

[jungleDNBplz]

Geez! How did this happen? Adding water to the lye first or...?

Putting the very hot basified solution in a glass jar with a lid, adding naptha that was room temperature, then shaking. Then smash!! glass shards of death! The cleanup job was probably the worst part of that

Hey guys, I`ve got a question.
I ran through a trial with a small part of the confusa I got, and simply evaporated as I wanted to see if there was anything there worthwhile.
Got what looked to be a white film with crystal specks, then when scraped up, turned into the infamous goo.
Is there any way to recover from my amber goo, and get anything like the nice crystals others are reporting?

Does the NMT and plant fats remain in the Naptha solution whilst in the freezer? and as such only the DMT precipitates out? Just a bit confused how it works when I get such a gooey substance from an Evap.

Scrape up the crude extract and put into a shotglass. Safely heat up some naphtha heated w/ water bath, and pour a very small amount of hot naphtha into the crude extract. Stir around and a lot of insoluble goo residue should stay at the bottom of the shot glass and not enter the solution. Decant the solution off into a clean dry shotglass and put in the freezer overnight. Look at it in the morning and you should see crystals. Pour off the naphtha and reuse or do whatever with it, keeping in mind there is still probably a bit of DMT dissolved. Let your shotglass drain upside down in the freezer for an hour or 2. Take the shotglass out and let the crystals airdry, then harvest them!

 

[mailorderdiety]

Success!

I pretty much followed this tek and added the salt as per cyb's tek for each gar soak. I used 500 grams of chipped acacia bark from hawaii. it was root. I added 2 liters of water and 150 ml of vinegar , and just poured some rock salt in (no measure) and boiled in separate pot. I did this 3 times (1 1/2 hour each boil) and reduced in a third pot to a total of 1500 ml.

Then added the lye in a small amount of water and added it to the hot acacia water. it was hot too. I had just enough room for less than the teks naphtha. I turned it carefully since it was so hot about 6 times. I poured off about 70% of the naphtha and then placed it in the freezer. I got 1.522 grams out of the crashed crystals, then i poured the remaining naphtha into a pyrex dish and got froze that. got another 273 mg of fluffy white crystal. i have the remaining naphtha in the freezer in a mason jar seeing if will drop more. *more is dropping! so i'll give it 24 hours to crash before evapping the remainder in a pyrex tray.

So for my first pull not even getting all the naphtha out i got a total of 1.795 grams of crystal(very little goo, except the bottom of the pyrex measuring vessel is super sticky. Also this stuff smells just like man milk.. pretty weird. can't wait to try it.

I'm super stoked on the results and this is the largest pull i've ever had on the first. this tek is great, especially adding the salt as per cyb. Can't wait to see how much more i can get, also ive never had my naphtha not smell like naphtha but man milk. it was so loaded with alks!!!

I love the nexus!

 

[mailorderdiety]

CONGRATS!!! :thumb_up: Looks good! i'll be trying this in a couple of days.

Also this stuff smells just like man milk.. pretty weird.

:lol: So funny you say that, i think it smell like man milk too haha! i asked a question in a thread somewhere not to long ago to see if other's thought it smelled like man sauce. :lol: :lol:

Happy travels mailorderdiety!

thanks manifest! yeah this stuff really smells like human fluid lol. but the effects are quite nice from the previous acacia sample i tested on from the this supplier from hawaii of 100 grams. the body load was quite nice and i had to lay down both times i tried it while vaping about 40 mg. I've never had to lie down on mimosa crystals vaped. But the trip was very cool and mild, i'm not sure if i like it more than mimosa but i def. do like it!! i'll have to try maybe about 60-80 mg for a mind bender.

*OK!!!
just did 50 mg of this and WOW, full break through, lasted 12 minutes, still in the afterglow and also the interesting thing about this acacia is i'm always lulled to sleep at the end, very strange. i caught myself beginning to moan/snore... which i've never done on mimosa. Such a great tree!!!!!!!

 

[dxmroid]

Just finishing up my last 2 pulls on my first attempt, test run of 50g acrb

Will post yields soon!

 

[BobDobalina]

I was reading over the tek again and I didn't notice any step involving filtering the plant bark particles out of the mix. When I pour the acid cooks into a larger pot to reduce, I've been filtering it through cotton balls and coffee strainers which pulls out a lot of brown/red solid. Would I be better off letting that in throughout the extraction? Maybe the reason I'm getting low yields?

 

[mailorderdiety]

I was reading over the tek again and I didn't notice any step involving filtering the plant bark particles out of the mix. When I pour the acid cooks into a larger pot to reduce, I've been filtering it through cotton balls and coffee strainers which pulls out a lot of brown/red solid. Would I be better off letting that in throughout the extraction? Maybe the reason I'm getting low yields?

I didn't take a picture of my filter system. I used cheesecloth one thickness, not folded (not too fine) and placed that over a metal spaghetti strainer. So i just prevented crude matter from getting through but fine particles can get through. But also everything was very hot the whole way. i"ve never done this before and attribute that the higher yields than previous attempts.

 

[Metanoia]

I was reading over the tek again and I didn't notice any step involving filtering the plant bark particles out of the mix. When I pour the acid cooks into a larger pot to reduce, I've been filtering it through cotton balls and coffee strainers which pulls out a lot of brown/red solid. Would I be better off letting that in throughout the extraction? Maybe the reason I'm getting low yields?

I didn't take a picture of my filter system. I used cheesecloth one thickness, not folded (not too fine) and placed that over a metal spaghetti strainer. So i just prevented crude matter from getting through but fine particles can get through. But also everything was very hot the whole way. i"ve never done this before and attribute that the higher yields than previous attempts.

I used the same filtering method as described above. Cotton balls and coffee filters aren`t really necessary and might lower the final yield, yes.

My final yield from this tek done on 227g shredded bark was 4.71g. About 1.9 of that was crystally goo, the rest were nice fluffy white needle-like crystals.

Before my last pull I added some salt to the basified soup while it was hot, and was able to pull the last bit. Very pleased with my yield and how simple and straight forward this tek is.

This was my first A/B.

 

[NamahsNaicigam]

Wow Dioxippus, it seems like you've got really proficient in extracting. I am doing my first extraction now and boy oh boy what a *&%#^ing headache! Everything that could have gone wrong has. I am learning that this is really tricky and isn't for the easily discouraged.

Im planning on writing a summary of my experience with the tek... What worked (When I figure that out) & (more importantly) what didn't.


Im currently on Day 4 of a 500g/ACRB extraction....

Yeild: 0.00ug :thumb_dow

 

[dxmroid]

Yeah on my first 50g acrb and having trouble, I only managed to get 100 mg of goo and now i had some decent crystals that all turned to goo quickly, still salvaging things and seeing if I can turn it around

 

[BobDobalina]

I didn't take a picture of my filter system. I used cheesecloth one thickness, not folded (not too fine) and placed that over a metal spaghetti strainer. So i just prevented crude matter from getting through but fine particles can get through. But also everything was very hot the whole way. i"ve never done this before and attribute that the higher yields than previous attempts.

Thanks for the tips, same to the other member who answered. I'll just filter the crude matter this time, I'm making a batch with my last 200g (another kilo from a different vendor is on the way as well). I filtered a lot of fine particles from my last extraction which may have been counter productive. I'm sure they'll settle out and not end up in the nap so we'll see how the yields are with this batch :thumb_up:

 

[Metanoia]

Don't get discouraged guys, it is only your first attempts. I had a horrible yield on my first attempt, but that was with some crappy MHRB too. This acacia is really nice to work with. The goo is actually very pleasant and has a distinct character to it. And the crystals I got were very clean and nice, didn't even need a re-x.

I was actually pretty surprised it went as smoothly as it did because I haven't done an A/B style tek before this one. I just followed the tek as much as I could, read what tips and tricks others had given in this thread and other A/B teks, and used common sense.

The way I got so many nice fluffy white crystals was from using a smaller amount of naphtha I believe. I made sure it was overly saturated and then let it sit at room temperature for 24 hours. I got more goo from the freeze precipitations, and had difficulty with the flat baking dishes as opposed to the small mason jars.

 

[BobDobalina]

Yeah on my first 50g acrb and having trouble, I only managed to get 100 mg of goo and now i had some decent crystals that all turned to goo quickly, still salvaging things and seeing if I can turn it around

Not that I've been getting tons of crystals, but I think the reason they turn to goo quickly is from the trace amounts of nap + crystals getting warm faster than the nap evaporates. Maybe try decanting as much nap as you can, then putting in back in the freezer upside-down for an hour or so. Take it out upside down and quickly pour the remaining drops into a collection jar. Now you'll have less naphtha to try and evaporate before it warms up.

 

[Metanoia]

I didn't take a picture of my filter system. I used cheesecloth one thickness, not folded (not too fine) and placed that over a metal spaghetti strainer. So i just prevented crude matter from getting through but fine particles can get through. But also everything was very hot the whole way. i"ve never done this before and attribute that the higher yields than previous attempts.

Thanks for the tips, same to the other member who answered. I'll just filter the crude matter this time, I'm making a batch with my last 200g (another kilo from a different vendor is on the way as well). I filtered a lot of fine particles from my last extraction which may have been counter productive. I'm sure they'll settle out and not end up in the nap so we'll see how the yields are with this batch :thumb_up:

One tip I did think of after posting earlier was that after I filtered my acidified tea through cheese cloth I let it settle overnight and decanted the water on the top off and discarded the sludge on the bottom. Just poured off as much as I could without getting sludge and then filtered through a couple layers of cheese cloth again. So it was fairly well filtered now that I think about it, but I didn't go so far as to use cotton balls/coffee filters.

You could do an acid wash on the filters you used if you still have them and maybe recover some of the lost alks. It's probably worth a try at least, if you managed to save the filters that is

Now the rue extractions are a different story....so much filtering! It took me so long to get my tea nice and clear, but it pays off in the end!

 

[BobDobalina]

You could do an acid wash on the filters you used if you still have them and maybe recover some of the lost alks. It's probably worth a try at least, if you managed to save the filters that is

Nice, the funny thing is I've been saving nearly everything just in case the DMT was "hiding" somewhere. I have all the used bark and filters in a jar so I'll try an acid cook with that.

The way I got so many nice fluffy white crystals was from using a smaller amount of naphtha I believe. I made sure it was overly saturated and then let it sit at room temperature for 24 hours. I got more goo from the freeze precipitations, and had difficulty with the flat baking dishes as opposed to the small mason jars.

Sorry for this barrage of questions, but I want to try to emulate your method to finally get some nice crystals . Did you have it sit covered for 24 hours or open and evaporating? Also, after 24 hours did you just pour off the excess Naptha and dry (as if you just took it out of the freezer)? The baking dishes are a lot easier to scrape, but I've seen a few members now saying that the jars get better results so I'll try that.

Thanks again!

 

[Metanoia]

Nice, the funny thing is I've been saving nearly everything just in case the DMT was "hiding" somewhere. I have all the used bark and filters in a jar so I'll try an acid cook with that.

Sorry for this barrage of questions, but I want to try to emulate your method to finally get some nice crystals . Did you have it sit covered for 24 hours or open and evaporating? Also, after 24 hours did you just pour off the excess Naptha and dry (as if you just took it out of the freezer)? The baking dishes are a lot easier to scrape, but I've seen a few members now saying that the jars get better results so I'll try that.

Thanks again!

It's definitely worth a shot to do an acid wash on those filters. I always get tons more alks from my filters when I do rue extractions.

I let it sit covered at room temperature for 24 hours before decanting into another jar and then freeze precipitating for 48 hours. Then I let them dry as if they were straight out of the freezer, yes.

I'm not too sure why the dishes were more problematic other than not being sealed tightly enough. The jars are much harder to scrape, that's for sure. I ended up just swishing some acetone in my jars to dissolve what I couldn't get and evapping onto some herbs for some nice changa. The crystals seem to like to collect on the sides and at the "corners" of the jars.

I only used 250ml of naphtha as opposed to the 600ml. I did only use 227g of bark, but I think 600ml is excessive even for 500g.

 

[BobDobalina]

Perfect, I really appreciate the help! I'm also using ~200g of bark so I'll go with 250ml of Nap.

Of the limited testing I've done, changa has quickly become my favorite method (on blue lotus) so that'll be a great use for whatever I can't scrape.