If you're having trouble getting crystals from acrb, use this tek (thick-light)

[jj8a6a]

Thanks vt. I was just confused cause im guessing there is only going to be 500 milliliters left after each of the boils. I wasnt sure if the wording meant to make each boil a separate batch to precipitate out or not. So is it normal to only have half a liter after 90 min boil? Also silly question, what do you mean measure as you go. Do you mean for the 100 ml vinegar and 2 liter of water?

Thanks again

 

[Praxis.]

Thanks vt. I was just confused cause im guessing there is only going to be 500 milliliters left after each of the boils. I wasnt sure if the wording meant to make each boil a separate batch to precipitate out or not. So is it normal to only have half a liter after 90 min boil? Also silly question, what do you mean measure as you go. Do you mean for the 100 ml vinegar and 2 liter of water?

Thanks again

No problem, and there's no such thing as a silly question. You want to have about 1.5 liters in the end. What I do is have 3 separate pots. One is for the acid bath/boiling of the bark, one is for measuring, and one is for actual reduction. After 90 minutes, pour off the liquid from the acid bath into one of the other empty pots. From that pot you can measure what you have, and pour it into your reduction vessel. I had over 500ml of liquid from each of my acid baths, but if you have less than that it's probably unnecessary to reduce anyways. (I had over a full liter of liquid, if not more, from each of my boils.)
Anyways, by having 3 pots one of them always remains empty. That way you can measure the amount of liquid from each of your acid baths before adding it to the reduction vessel. In other words, this way you can 'measure as you go'.

Is the 500ml you're ending up with before or after reduction? Because if you're doing separate reductions than you'd want to do 3 and reduce each down to 500ml. But if that's what you have before you reduce, I would not reduce it further.
How hot is your acid bath? And do you have a lid? I'm curious because if you're only pouring off 500ml of liquid from each acid bath, you might have it boiling too hot and therefore losing a lot. If you're starting with over 2 liters, you should be ending up with a lot more liquid.
I might be misunderstanding what you're asking though. If you are doing each reduction in a separate pot I would not recommend it as it wastes a lot of space. The point is to condense your product as much as possible.

I'm not sure if this answers your question or not, but I hope it helped clear things up for you.

 

[jj8a6a]

You understood perfectly. There is a lid. Just prolly was checked on too often and most water was steamed off. You definately clarified the process. Thanks.

 

[Dr John]

for measuring in separate pot i just simply mark the outside 1500ml line mark with a permanent marker, easy enough, i reduce to about 1200 ml though. i use a lid on pot and stopped turning bark to powder, which helped with controlling heat and too fast of evaporation. salt freeze and thaw works good to. i used this tek 3 times so far.

 

[jj8a6a]

Do the initial 6-10 shakes need to all be done while its warm? It seems like it separates better while still warm. Three layers after few hours wont separate completely into two. Clear part looks to only be half the naptha there should be. Ideas?

 

[jj8a6a]

No bark when you basify the water, the reason you do the cooks with gar is to get all the alkaloids out of the bark and into the water.

Some peopole even filter all the particles out, or they leave it in the fidge overnight so they crash to the bottom.

When you base the boils it freebases the alkaloids.

Then the naptha being NP solvent picks them up.

Also if your using 500 grams and doing four boils it might be wise to combine the first two, and extract from them. Then combine the second twoand extract from them.

Or reduce everything down to 2000ml split it i9n half then start extracting.

A friend had problems with really dark dirty naptha when he tried all 4 boils at once.

Well too bad I didnt see this post earlier. What should be done with this dark dirty naptha??? This is a huge concern !!

 

[jj8a6a]

Anybody? Please?

 

[jj8a6a]

sorry I keep blowing up this thread but I have another question yet. What causes the dmt to precipitate out of the naptha after it is decanted ? Is it the absence of lye? Is it bad if the naptha sits in the jar of 4 boils worth of liquid condensed to 1.5 liters overnite? Just because it would take soo long for the solution to separate. The naptha seems to be slightly brown/dirty. I hope it is salvageable.

 

[ymer]

sorry I keep blowing up this thread but I have another question yet. What causes the dmt to precipitate out of the naptha after it is decanted ? Is it the absence of lye? Is it bad if the naptha sits in the jar of 4 boils worth of liquid condensed to 1.5 liters overnite? Just because it would take soo long for the solution to separate. The naptha seems to be slightly brown/dirty. I hope it is salvageable.

The DMT precipitates because the solubility decreases with lower temperature, the hotter the naphta the more DMT will dissolve in it, so when you cool down the naphta the DMT is less soluble and starts to separate from it. When you take it to around -20c the DMT is almost insoluble in the naphta and most of it precipitates out of it.

 

[jj8a6a]

Does this mean if the first naptha addition to boils reduced jar cools then the dmt is precipitated back out somewhere in the jar? If so whats next ?

 

[ymer]

You can just add more naphtha and extract more, even at room temperature it will pull DMT, it doesn't have to be warm.

If you haven't separated the naphtha you can re-heat and move it around so it dissolves again.

 

[jj8a6a]

Question. How does someone reheat this mix. If the mix is in a jar, and the naptha should not be evaporated, meaning the lid needs to stay closed, how should it be reheated? or should it actually be evaporated off completely and just add .6 liters more naptha after the mix is heated? and also, I am still confused about how the crystals will be caused to precipitate from the naptha once it is decanted?

 

[Praxis.]

So I just weighed out my second pull and yielded 4.4 grams. I'm pretty stoked on that. Just decanted my 3rd pull and placed in the freezer for precipitation.

 

[jj8a6a]

You can just add more naphtha and extract more, even at room temperature it will pull DMT, it doesn't have to be warm.

If you haven't separated the naphtha you can re-heat and move it around so it dissolves again.

Is it that simple? Just add .6 l naptha back to warm soup and repeat all steps like nothing happened ?

 

[ymer]

Question. How does someone reheat this mix. If the mix is in a jar, and the naptha should not be evaporated, meaning the lid needs to stay closed, how should it be reheated? or should it actually be evaporated off completely and just add .6 liters more naptha after the mix is heated? and also, I am still confused about how the crystals will be caused to precipitate from the naptha once it is decanted?

I think you should check out the FAQ and other teks even if they are not for ACRB, but you will get a very good idea of how the process works.

To reheat the mix you place it in a water bath at about 40c (50c max).

The dmt precipitates because of the different solubility at different temperatures, (these are not real numbers just something that I'm coming up with) lets say for example that 100ml of naphtha can dissolve 1g at room temperature, at 40c it may dissolve 2g, at 60c it can dissolve 3g... and at -20c it can only dissolve 10mg.

 

[jj8a6a]

The confusion came because I wasnt aware that all 6 to 10 shakes had to be done and decant all while it is still warm. The tech says just make sure it separates thoroughly. But that took very long, long enough for it to cool off. I understand you need to use a warm water bath to warm up the jar but the lid should not be taken off because there is solvent in there with fumes. I was worried about pressure building and breaking the glass.

 

[Muk]

I should have a decent amount(3-4 lbs) of AC in the very near future.



I plan on using the aforementioned writeup, to the T. If I filter the gar soaks, through say, filter paper or a clean white tshirt like one would filter a cactus brew, would this decrease the amount of fats carried over? I have the whole process down, otherwise.

Ill be sure to share pictures.

 

[md434]

Hey im new to this site and was wondering if you could elaborate on step 1 in your acacia confusa extraction. You say 2000mL and 100mL vinegar. after you boil that for an hour or so what do you do? Pour the water/vinegar solution into another container and add a new 2000mL water and 100mL vinegar? I just dont get what you mean when you boil it 4-5 times. How much water do you use in total? I hope you are able to provide this information to me. I really appreciate it.

Thanks
Mike

 

[wearepeople]

So I just weighed out my second pull and yielded 4.4 grams. I'm pretty stoked on that. Just decanted my 3rd pull and placed in the freezer for precipitation.

Nice VT!

What was your starting weight of material?
Edit: I just saw 500 g in a previous post. 0.88%


Have any pictures?


How closely did you follow the OP's tek?

 

[wearepeople]

Thick-light,

I'm having trouble seeing how this "tek" is any different from other A/B teks.