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FlyingOver

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Hi Guys, long time lurker, first time poster.



First I just want to say thank you to everyone who’s shared their experiences and knowledge on these subjects but I’m stuck and don’t know what else to try



I’ve wanted to experience pharma for a long time now, I’ve tried everything from having rue as tea (5g) multiple times and 30mg-50mg freebase spice at different time intervals and every time i have vomited around 30 mins after having the spice, I feel I’m chucking the spice before it has time to absorb?



Here’s what I’ve tried

Rue tea 5g seed 3x boil + freebase spice

Rue tea 5g seed 3x boil + freebase spice in OJ

200mg fb harmalas in water + freebase spice in water

200mg fb harmalas in OJ + fb spice in OJ



Each of these were taken separately at different time intervals, tried taking the rue/harmals together with spice and also separately 10, 20, 30, 40 mins and 1hr in between.



Outcome is always the same, I vomit after 30mins of having the spice with little to no effect of anything.



Unsure what else to try? What would you suggest?



I’ve recently got some caapi paste, hoping this will be different but unsure how to dose it and there seems to be conflicting information.



It’s black caapi paste 30:1 and I have 20g of it, how much should I use, and how should I use it? Mix it in to water?



I’m hoping I will have more luck with this but unsure as I’d assume harmalas fb would be better than having any plant material?



I’m lost…
 
Try having limonene (or lemon essential oil). I have some sensitivity to DMT too, it doesn't usually make me vomit, but it often causes me acidity and pain. Limonene almost always prevents this for me.

I wouldn't use that caapi paste until you have a good method figured out, those pastes are very unreliable. It's hard to know how much of harmalas it actually has, if any. So I recommend to keep using rue or harmalas until you know what works for you.
 
Freebase can be hard on my stomache and I would often get heartburn, and those are pretty massive doses you're taking. Maybe convert the DMT to a different form (and/or try blig-blugs suggestion) and/or lower the dose. Are you doing this on an empty stomache? If not maybe try fasting for several hours then eating something light after dosing, to get digestion flowing quick.

I can't speak on the paste.
 
FlyingOver said:
Rue tea 5g seed 3x boil + freebase spice
Rue tea 5g seed 3x boil + freebase spice in OJ
200mg fb harmalas in water + freebase spice in water
200mg fb harmalas in OJ + fb spice in OJ
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5g is actually quite a strong dose. I think something around 3g should be more suitable for a beginner. If you ingest too much harmalas, premature vomiting becomes highly possible.
FlyingOver said:
It’s black caapi paste 30:1 and I have 20g of it, how much should I use, and how should I use it? Mix it in to water?
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Caapi pastes are mostly useless. People prepare them with low-quality vine just to get something out. No one can tell you how strong it will be, and these 30:1 ratios are just empty numbers. No one starts working with caapi using pastes, especially ones made from black caapi. You can microdose it at 1g every evening by itself to adapt your body to harmalas, I guess.
FlyingOver said:
Outcome is always the same, I vomit after 30mins of having the spice with little to no effect of anything.
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Strange, but not really. These medicines are tricky, and something like mushrooms would be more predictable. Don't use too much rue, because 5g is overkill. You just need to cook it once if it's already in powdered form. 15–30 minutes should suffice. Try to work with rue for a bit and see how your body reacts to it at different doses. After some time, you can introduce a bit of DMT and see if it gives any effect at all. If you can get some leaf like chaliponga or chacruna, they are easy to prepare and give a more consistent result with oral brews.

Welcome and good luck 🙏
 
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blig-blug said:
Try having limonene (or lemon essential oil). I have some sensitivity to DMT too, it doesn't usually make me vomit, but it often causes me acidity and pain. Limonene almost always prevents this for me.

I wouldn't use that caapi paste until you have a good method figured out, those pastes are very unreliable. It's hard to know how much of harmalas it actually has, if any. So I recommend to keep using rue or harmalas until you know what works for you.
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Thanks, I’ll give this a try next time, how soon before taking the rue/spice would you suggest to have the lemon oil?

universecannon said:
Freebase can be hard on my stomache and I would often get heartburn, and those are pretty massive doses you're taking. Maybe convert the DMT to a different form (and/or try blig-blugs suggestion) and/or lower the dose. Are you doing this on an empty stomache? If not maybe try fasting for several hours then eating something light after dosing, to get digestion flowing quick.

I can't speak on the paste.
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Yeah, I usually fast for the whole day before having it, maybe that could also be the problem? Too harsh on an empty stomach?

northape said:
5g is actually quite a strong dose. I think something around 3g should be more suitable for a beginner. If you ingest too much harmalas, premature vomiting becomes highly possible.

Caapi pastes are mostly useless. People prepare them with low-quality vine just to get something out. No one can tell you how strong it will be, and these 30:1 ratios are just empty numbers. No one starts working with caapi using pastes, especially ones made from black caapi. You can microdose it at 1g every evening by itself to adapt your body to harmalas, I guess.

Strange, but not really. These medicines are tricky, and something like mushrooms would be more predictable. Don't use too much rue, because 5g is overkill. You just need to cook it once if it's already in powdered form. 15–30 minutes should suffice. Try to work with rue for a bit and see how your body reacts to it at different doses. After some time, you can introduce a bit of DMT and see if it gives any effect at all. If you can get some leaf like chaliponga or chacruna, they are easy to prepare and give a more consistent result with oral brews.

Welcome and good luck 🙏
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I didn’t use powder, I just boiled the seeds, I found them quite hard to crush with what I had available, strongest seeds I’ve ever know haha.

I’ve first tried with 2g, then 3g and then 5g to find my tolerance to the rue, 5g boiled x3 for 20min boils and reduced to a shot glass seems ok, I don’t mind the taste at all, reminds me of mahogany for some reason, or like a strong woody/whisky taste.

Mixing it with anything acidic or having the salt form is rancid imho.

I know the pastes/resins can be unpredictable, it was apparently extracted using ultrasound rather than heat (no way to know if that’s true) but apparently it’s supposed to preserve the alks.

I want to try the paste, for science at least I’ve come this far experimenting so willing to try it.

What would you say would be a good amount to try with? And would you suggest brewing it in to a tea in water or something else?
 
FlyingOver said:
I’ve first tried with 2g, then 3g and then 5g to find my tolerance to the rue, 5g boiled x3 for 20min boils and reduced to a shot glass seems ok, I don’t mind the taste at all, reminds me of mahogany for some reason, or like a strong woody/whisky taste.
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If you used whole seeds, 5g could be fine depending on how strong they are. What effect did you get from them? Did you experience any tracers or nausea at 5g? A simple coffee grinder is enough to powder your rue seeds, and that way your tea would get stronger.
FlyingOver said:
I want to try the paste, for science at least I’ve come this far experimenting so willing to try it.
What would you say would be a good amount to try with? And would you suggest brewing it in to a tea in water or something else?
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I'd go slow. If you have enough experience with rue, you can more or less judge the paste's strength. Try 1-2g and see where it leads you (50g of caapi vine is a solid starting dose). You can adjust accordingly after you've gauged the strength. I'd make a simple tea in as little water as possible (50ml sounds about right). Maybe you can even take it as a candy. That's a half-joke, though. Report back on how it goes anyway. Pastes are always interesting because they are seldom used.

Never forget that it's mostly a journey of self-discovery. We can provide only general info, so see for yourself what works and how your body reacts.
Consider it all as a joyful exploration. Curiosity and open-mindedness will get you very far. Start low, go slow. Stay safe.
 
northape said:
If you used whole seeds, 5g could be fine depending on how strong they are. What effect did you get from them? Did you experience any tracers or nausea at 5g? A simple coffee grinder is enough to powder your rue seeds, and that way your tea would get stronger.

I'd go slow. If you have enough experience with rue, you can more or less judge the paste's strength. Try 1-2g and see where it leads you (50g of caapi vine is a solid starting dose). You can adjust accordingly after you've gauged the strength. I'd make a simple tea in as little water as possible (50ml sounds about right). Maybe you can even take it as a candy. That's a half-joke, though. Report back on how it goes anyway. Pastes are always interesting because they are seldom used.

Never forget that it's mostly a journey of self-discovery. We can provide only general info, so see for yourself what works and how your body reacts.
Consider it all as a joyful exploration. Curiosity and open-mindedness will get you very far. Start low, go slow. Stay safe.
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I only had nausea from the first time I ever tried rue, but didn’t vomit it was more of a heavy feeling and and an awareness of my stomach if anything.

I can talk my self in to being sick though, I’m that person who thinks about it and will 100% feel sick… I think the first time was basically that at 2g of seeds but didn’t get much of any effect from 2g, but my constant thoughts about “the purge” probably played a lot in to it. Then I tried 3g the next time tried to keep my mind busy and not think about being sick and it seemed to work but felt only more alert, with a bit of a body buzz/tingle.

I skipped 4g and tried 5g, at that point I felt much more of a body buzz, didn’t get tracers but plenty of what I’d call halos around lights, a heightened sense of hearing like things were super quiet and I could hear everything and buzzing/ringing in my ears (I kind of get the same on the come up on mushrooms). At that point of realising that this was definitely stronger I instantly thought about nausea and then my mind was locked on to the feeling in my stomach and I started to feel nausea but managed to talk myself out of it and decided to listen to a guided meditation and just breathed through it and tried not to think about it.

From there I had a few more runs at 5g and was comfortable with it, but I certainly feel a body load from it, especially in my stomach but I’ve learned to ignore it
 
FlyingOver said:
I only had nausea from the first time I ever tried rue, but didn’t vomit it was more of a heavy feeling and and an awareness of my stomach if anything.

I can talk my self in to being sick though, I’m that person who thinks about it and will 100% feel sick… I think the first time was basically that at 2g of seeds but didn’t get much of any effect from 2g, but my constant thoughts about “the purge” probably played a lot in to it. Then I tried 3g the next time tried to keep my mind busy and not think about being sick and it seemed to work but felt only more alert, with a bit of a body buzz/tingle.

I skipped 4g and tried 5g, at that point I felt much more of a body buzz, didn’t get tracers but plenty of what I’d call halos around lights, a heightened sense of hearing like things were super quiet and I could hear everything and buzzing/ringing in my ears (I kind of get the same on the come up on mushrooms). At that point of realising that this was definitely stronger I instantly thought about nausea and then my mind was locked on to the feeling in my stomach and I started to feel nausea but managed to talk myself out of it and decided to listen to a guided meditation and just breathed through it and tried not to think about it.

From there I had a few more runs at 5g and was comfortable with it, but I certainly feel a body load from it, especially in my stomach but I’ve learned to ignore it
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Thanks. It's easier to judge the strength of your seeds from your report. I'd say that your 5g dose was solid and should be enough to activate DMT. Your seeds are not the strongest, but you've found your sweet spot already. If you decide to powder them, go down a notch to like 3g first and test it out. Feelings of nausea and heaviness at higher doses are fully normal and become more manageable with time. You usually ingest DMT 20-30min after your rue tea. If you can hold it in, most of the bodyload and nausea disappear when DMT hits your system. However, this first part after you've taken it in is the most difficult. If you can find chacruna or chaliponga, you'd get one hell of a medicine. Acacia tea or extracted DMT should be your second choice. Maybe drink a light rue tea (like 2g) occasionally to adapt your body somewhat more.
 
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