Insights welcome!

[claire 1601]

Hello

Myself and my friend have been doing DMt over the last couple of months and have both had some interesting experiences.

Prior to now we had been discussing the idea for about a year but both didn't feel it was ever the right time.

My experiences have been mind boggling. I can say that so far , my entry there has always been the same process- same visuals, same vibe, although I am unable to describe it. But I know as soon as I'm under that I have been through the exact same thing every time. It's familiar and I know what's coming ..and it does

From there it varys everytime. But one thing that keeps happening is that I enter what feels like a parallel universe that replicates the real world. For example if I am in my friends living room with her lying on the floor- I enter the same room , same set up ( haven't really focused on the details of the room itself) in the presence of my friend! At this point I feel like the trip is over. I feel sober and have all of my senses. But then I realise I am not back ! There is no difference between the real world and the dmt world, my friend is there commutating telepathically, telling me its ok. I spend the duration wondering if I'm back until it finally wears off.

Now this has happened every trip. My friend has been present every single time. On one occasion I blasted off....saw her at an entry point of a room- thought I would enter the room but she closes the door- I then blast off somewhere else which felt very heavenly. I remember saying thank you ...but then I'm back in the room with her- again, thinking I'm back in the real world! I sit with her until it wears off and then I'm back in reality! But I genuinely cannot tell the difference between here and there until it wears off


My last trip was even more bizarre...and being aware that I am confused about being back or not we agreed that she would hold an ornament to confirm I was back!

Same process, this time straight into the room - in her living room...with her again. I feel sober- I know that I'm not back as this has happened every time, yet the confusion is insane! This time she is holding my hand. I can feel her squeezing my hand. I'm asking if I'm back she is saying yes! But I know its DMT her and not the real her. I wait for a while....and then feel it wearing off. As I come to she grabs my hand for a moment, I'm still not convinced that I'm back and ask her to show me the ornament. I did not believe I was back until she did.

Weve speculated that maybe the world's are merging or that something she is doing is bleeding into my trip. So we have been so careful, she doesn't move or speak at any point. What's interesting is that this whole experience was her holding my hand. I came to and she held my hand....but this was once the trip had ended.....so it hadn't bled into my trip because it hadn't happened until it was over! If that makes sense?

Has anyone else had this experience - seeing their friend . I mean it has been every single time. I've looked into waiting rooms ect but haven't encountered anyone that has had similar to this. I have read people seeing entities ect at this point and I'm sure if I saw a reptile, or interdimensional being, then I would know I was in the dmt world. But seeing my friend there- it's just mind blowing

Interested to hear your insights! Next one I am going to do it in the presence of our other trusted friend. I don't think I could do it alone !

Thanks for reading!!

 

[blig-blug]

Very interesting.
Could it be that you are, in fact, seeing this reality all along? If not, what leads you to think that's not the case?

 

[Transform]

I'd suggest trying the DMT again, but in a different (equally safe) location and ideally either alone* or with a different trusted companion.

*You may want to have a sitter on standby in a neighbouring room, given your uncertainties over reality discernment.

Perhaps you would benefit from exercising more discretion over the control of various modalities of "sacred space setting", such as lighting and scents - although you haven't gone into any detail regarding your use of what would essentially be ritual practice, so: it ought to be asked, do you do anything in particular to delineate the time and space for exploring?

The impression given so far leaves me thinking that a lack of structure seems to have been leading to confusion, and you may be surfing the edge of panic, but I'd be very happy to be wrong about this.

The thing with the ornament does strike me as a somewhat mundane approach on the face of it, but otoh it hints towards the practices of huachuma/San Pedro (mescaline cactus) practitioners in the Andes and their use (some of them, at least) of a "mesa", which is a collection of objects and symbolic ornaments that get manipulated during the course of the sacred cactus experience, so perhaps you've already found the beginnings of a way, brevity of the DMT experience notwithstanding!

Very interesting report nonetheless, maybe consider taking up cactus cultivation

 

[Pandora]

Interesting. DMT never fails to surprise and present new novelty.

Are your eyes open or closed when this happens?

Have you tried doing DMT when your friend is nowhere near your location? If so does the friend appear? Or must the friend be in the launch room with you to generate this phenomenon?

 

[claire 1601]

My eyes are always closed. She has always been in the room with me. But on one occasion was in the room next door. It's happened 5 times now. Next time I will definitely have someone else just to test it...but just interested to see if anyone has had something similar...thank you for replying

 

[claire 1601]

I'd suggest trying the DMT again, but in a different (equally safe) location and ideally either alone* or with a different trusted companion.

*You may want to have a sitter on standby in a neighbouring room, given your uncertainties over reality discernment.

Perhaps you would benefit from exercising more discretion over the control of various modalities of "sacred space setting", such as lighting and scents - although you haven't gone into any detail regarding your use of what would essentially be ritual practice, so: it ought to be asked, do you do anything in particular to delineate the time and space for exploring?

The impression given so far leaves me thinking that a lack of structure seems to have been leading to confusion, and you may be surfing the edge of panic, but I'd be very happy to be wrong about this.

The thing with the ornament does strike me as a somewhat mundane approach on the face of it, but otoh it hints towards the practices of huachuma/San Pedro (mescaline cactus) practitioners in the Andes and their use (some of them, at least) of a "mesa", which is a collection of objects and symbolic ornaments that get manipulated during the course of the sacred cactus experience, so perhaps you've already found the beginnings of a way, brevity of the DMT experience notwithstanding!

Very interesting report nonetheless, maybe consider taking up cactus cultivation

Thanks ...I think

i do wonder whether it is me not letting go that keeps taking me to this place. I have been further on one occasion and had an amazing journey somewhere that felt almost heavenly, but again, once that was over....landed back in this room with my friend, unable to distinguish whether I was back in reality or not.
The ornament did actually help
Will definitely be trying again without her there ....will be interesting to see what happens!

 

[claire 1601]

Very interesting.
Could it be that you are, in fact, seeing this reality all along? If not, what leads you to think that's not the case?

I'm not following
I know that the 2 are different....because my friend in the dmt world doesn't respond ...it's her ..but not really her ..and then I sober up

When she was holding my hand in there ...I could feel her squeezing my hand, kneeling beside me, comforting me. When I came to..she wasnt x

 

[Transform]

Thanks ...I think

i do wonder whether it is me not letting go that keeps taking me to this place. I have been further on one occasion and had an amazing journey somewhere that felt almost heavenly, but again, once that was over....landed back in this room with my friend, unable to distinguish whether I was back in reality or not.
The ornament did actually help
Will definitely be trying again without her there ....will be interesting to see what happens!

Ah, do forgive me, for I omitted to say right from the start - welcome to the Nexus!

The intention is very much to help optimise your experience, even if some of my freeform extrapolations may have been wide of the mark - but causing offence is most assuredly not my goal (I save that for my closest friends ).

Do you have any specific way of entering the ritual space (for want of a better term)?
[I do now rather begin to wonder how I'd have responded to a question like this when I first started exploring psychedelics, and that was a considerable time before we'd finally encountered DMT.]<Speaking of which, did you have any prior experience of other psychedelics before trying DMT? And what was it that led you to DMT, for that matter?

It's funny, in a way, that it often gets said of DMT that anything can happen, yet it's not often taken into account that that "anything" can include an experience almost indistinguishable from nothing having happened! Were you able to note how the subjective passage of time functions in your experience of this "back but not really back" world?

It strikes me that another thing you may be interested to look into is the harmala alkaloids, which kind of form a natural pairing with N,N-DMT.

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[claire 1601]

No offence taken and thank you! It's great to be here

I appreciate any help and advice I can get! I'm very new to it all and learning as I go. No matter what I had read, researched or discussed prior to doing it, absolutely nothing could have prepared me for what I have experienced so far! I am only now just about able to articulate some of what has hapoened. There are still huge chunks of my experiences that I can only see in my minds eye...I'm truly fascinated.
But I do also feel slightly terrified!

I have been taking mushrooms for a few years...have been on a bit of a journey with it all and have had insane visuals on quite light doses. Mushrooms have lead me to this point for sure.

THis room/world that I keep going to- it's almost like a layer - like Its before something more intense or I am dropped off there on my way back from somewhere. Like i was saying, on one occasion I saw a door opened by my friend. As I went to enter the room, she shut the door and I was blasted off somewhere else. Only to go back to this room on my way back. It's a segment of the trip.
Sometimes I felt as though I was only there briefly...other times I almost accepted I would be there for the long haul! But eventually it wears off and I'm back.

 

[Transform]

Well, whatever it is, your experience - or rather, this particular aspect of it - seems worthy of inclusion in the Hyperspace Lexicon. There's also a phenomenon known as "the waiting room" - you can decide how closely your experience relates to that - and another thing that springs to mind is false awakenings within dreams, which you may also be familiar with.

 

[claire 1601]

I've looked into waiting rooms...the thing that baffles me is why my friend is there...i wonder if she might be there for comfort or something.....but I just dont think it's that
I'm not familiar with false awakenings.....I'm certainly up for learning more though!

 

[Transform]

Well, I've had a few false awakenings over the years, including repeatedly nested ones which was really weird and slightly disturbing. Basically, you dream that you wake up but actually you're still dreaming. It's possible to get up and go about your normal day within the dream, until something utterly preposterous and nonsensical happens, which can make you realise that you're still dreaming.

The multiply-nested version is when this realisation makes you "wake up" again, except you're still dreaming and the process repeats. Once this happened five times in a row and I was very sceptical about what was going on when I finally (apparently…) really woke up.

Thus, it's quite relatable how bizarre it must be to enter and leave an intense trip via a facsimile version of the everyday world.

Have you ever used psychedelics in an outdoor setting? The other feeling I've been getting is that this could be something to do with the exact location you've been using and in my case (as we've suggested before) I'd be inclined to try seeing what happens somewhere else (while of course remaining aware of your personal safety - obligatory note for the sake of harm reduction!)

Presumably, your experiences with mushrooms never encompassed anything quite so odd as this? If you were to interpret it as symbolic language of the mind, is there any further story that you'd attach to it?

 

[claire 1601]

Well, whatever it is, your experience - or rather, this particular aspect of it - seems worthy of inclusion in the Hyperspace Lexicon. There's also a phenomenon known as "the waiting room" - you can decide how closely your experience relates to that - and another thing that springs to mind is false awakenings within dreams, which you may also be familiar with.alse awakening .......

Actually sounds very similar to that. I haven't personally experienced that in a dream state but yes I am familiar.

I have had some quite profound experiences with mushrooms ...but no where close to anything like DMT! Also very intricate geometry/ animation style visuals, quite similar to dmt but less intense. And have also enjoyed mushrooms in many different settings.

'"Thus, it's quite relatable how bizarre it must be to enter and leave an intense trip via a facsimile version of the everyday world"- spot on!

I will keep you posted as as much as I'd like to attribute it to anxiety, not letting go, merged worlds or whatever....it just doesn't fit the bill
If I do it with somebody else and she is still there...well then I will be back to the drawing board trying to decipher what it means!!!

Thank you for the chat! Given me food for thought...and excited to see what's next!

 

[Transform]

You'll probably find the interviews linked to in this thread rather interesting:

Video with DMT researcher Andrew Gallimore

P.S. From the video: You don't break through into the DMT world, the DMT world breaks through into you. :love: That part caught my attention as well. It's an interesting alternative way of looking at the experience. Kind of an inversion of the usual belief.

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Since a new interview with Joe Rogan just came out today, I figured I'd update the thread.

 

[DM3]

Your experiences with DMT are bloody mind-blowing, dude. I'm stoked that you and your friend have been having these intense experiences together. The fact that you're seeing each other in the DMT world every time is wild.
I've heard of people having shared experiences with entities or guides during DMT trips, but it's rare to hear about people seeing friends or loved ones. It's like your minds are tapping into some kind of shared reality or something.
The ornament test you did with your friend is genius. I'm curious to know what will happen when you involve another friend in your next experience. Will the dynamics change or will the experiences remain similar?
It's also interesting that you're speculating about the worlds merging or some kind of bleed-through between your experiences. It's like your minds are connected on a deeper level.
DMT is a powerful tool for exploring the human psyche, and it sounds like you and your friend are pushing the boundaries of what's possible. I'm stoked to hear about your experiences, and I'm curious to see where this journey takes you.
One thing that's been on my mind is the potential for DMT to reveal hidden aspects of our reality. Have you guys thought about the implications of what you're experiencing? Like, what does it mean if you're seeing your friend in the DMT world every time? Is it just a product of your minds or is there something more going on?
Anyway, keep exploring and see where this journey takes you. It's been enlightening to hear about your experiences, and I'm looking forward to hearing more about your adventures.

 

[claire 1601]

I just read this...I'm gonna reply in the morning xxxx

 

[claire 1601]

You'll probably find the interviews linked to in this thread rather interesting:

Video with DMT researcher Andrew Gallimore

P.S. From the video: You don't break through into the DMT world, the DMT world breaks through into you. :love: That part caught my attention as well. It's an interesting alternative way of looking at the experience. Kind of an inversion of the usual belief.

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I've watched a lot of his stuff...this was great!

 

[claire 1601]

****UPDATE*****

Hello again!!

I have been desperate to get back on here and update u al!
Honestly my journey has been quite possibly the most amazing thing that I have experienced, although it's been quite a slow process- I am so deeply grateful for all of it.

I will try to keep it as short as possible however there is so much to tell but here goes

So following my last encounter I had a further 3 experiences where I was stuck in this DMT version on the real world with my friend again.
First time she's sitting there observing me- I was able to ask her what does this all mean- but no response. I ask for my ornament and when I receive it I know I'm back.
Second time I went in laying beside her - I arrived in DMT versíon of the same room, see her laying beside me but she is speaking to me- none of which I understand but feels like she is telling me every conversation we have ever had at a crazy speed! On this occasion I came to realise that my anxiety had left me and actually that the set up was quite nice I told myself this is probably not a bad place to be stuck in....chilling with my friend - in peace...was quite a nice experience....then it wore off
Final time was very interesting!! I sat opposite her (DMT version and world ect) but this time I said.....the real Dee would pass me my ornament. At this point it was almost like I had blown her cover! She did not pass me my ornament! With that her image began to fade into lots of geometry - I slowly came back excited that I felt I had made progress and that whatever this whole process had been ...I'd hit a turning point and was super excited about what would happen next!!

Now since this happened I have not had any confusion, my fear has completely gone and I have not seen my friend or been stuck in this DMT replication of this world nor have I needed an ornament to confirm me being back!!!!

Now on a whim I decided to play a classical piece called 'lark ascending' . We have also started to film our journeys.

Following this experience I have been having the most beautiful journeys - but only able to bring little snippets of information back.

The journey after the last one I was shown things , the begining was very clearly the flower/germ of life image which then took me to speeding through a lot of places- none of which I can recall. But thoughout the journey I was being shown the image of my friend very briefly- the message was something like do you see now? It wasn't this...it was actually this- almost as if the previous journeys had almost been some kind of test. But also have been feeling a very female presence that I cannot see.

The next one was wonderful- I did not even blast off....again the image of the flower of life buzzing in front of me...but then I just arrived. I almost thought that I wasn't going to break through . I remember communicating 'well this is a much less intense way of getting in why don't we just do it like this instead . On this occasion I believe I saw Hindu vibes (my knowledge of this stuff at this point was info I learnt at school some 30 years ago!) I was very quickly shown around again by what felt like a female energy. Again, I remember nothing! But know I have been shown a lot

I go in again another time. This time same process again, little bit slower, Hindu type vibe - as I'm leaving I am able to communicate -asking if I can bring something back, asking for them to show me a sign. I see geometric palm up signs, and the odd Spiderman symbol . My son is very much into spiderman at the minute so i laugh at this!

The most recent time- again same vibes- same process- but I feel the presence of younger girls and women.....but honestly felt as though my forehead was being touched and kissed. It was amazing.

To wrap it all up.....I honestly feel that I have pushed through my fears of losing touch with reality...but feel like I have been taken though a process that has allowed me to overcome these fears. Almost like they have given me a very gentle experience to prepare me for what has been happening since. That's the only way I can interpret it....it' started off so scary to the point I considered that maybe this wasn't for me. The confusion I felt about not knowing whether I was back from the trip or not was truly quite frightening- but it all has felt so purposeful!
But now I feel full of love and gratitude and genuinely feel like whatever this is- the real journey is just begining !

Also to add- I have been doing a lot of reading. Looking up the symbols and their relevance to Hinduism and came across Maa Durga. A godess who wears a spider bindi on her head!.


Yogamaya (The Revealing Power): While she creates illusions, she is also Yogamaya—the internal energy that, as a devotee progresses in spiritual consciousness, lifts this veil to reveal the truth.
The Spider Symbolism: A common, subtle artistic element in Bengali Daker Saaj (clay idols) is a tiny spider placed beneath the Goddess's bindi. This symbolizes her role as the creator of the complex, enchanting, and sometimes trapping web of existence—like a spider, she spins the web of illusion but remains untouched by it.

The Spider Symbolism: A common, subtle artistic element in Bengali Daker Saaj (clay idols) is a tiny spider placed beneath the Goddess's bindi. This symbolizes her role as the creator of the complex, enchanting, and sometimes trapping web of existence—like a spider, she spins the web of illusion but remains untouched by it.

Mahamaya (The Great Illusion): Durga is the divine force that keeps embodied beings in illusion, making them feel that the temporary, material world is real. She creates, sustains, and veils, keeping beings engrossed in the "cosmic play".

Could just be a mad coincidence!!!

IF U HAVE MANAGED TO GET TO THE END OF THIS I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO READ IT!!!!

To be continued.,..........xx

 

[blig-blug]

Thank you for sharing your update. I'm glad that you could go beyond that point, in the end I think what one truly brings back from psychedelic trips are these kind of lessons, mental skills, and ability to overcome fears and barriers.

I honestly feel that I have pushed through my fears of losing touch with reality

Do you think it's possible that, due to that fear, you were opening your eyes before? And thus getting a "DMT version" of this world by the combination of actual visual input with DMT effects. Most of what you report of those events seems consistent with that.

In any case, congratulations for persevering and being able to go beyond.

 

[claire 1601]

This is something that we had been speculating about while it was happening....if I'm honest...I don't think this was the case....but actually who knows?
We have been filming our trips also.....which has been hugely helpful . Most of the times my eyes are closed . The aha moment was when I asked her to pass me the ornament...that was when things really turned a corner. The illusion of her disappeared and then I came back!
Since then I have never had that Situation again....when it was literally my signature journey! I find that very interesting....but again ...who knows.
WHat I will say is that every journey I go on...there has been this continuation...like I'm picking up from where I left off

And thank you!!! I literally cannot wait to see what the future holds!!