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Lichen said:
In this image - I see Gappa: The Triphibian Monster. I first saw Gappa on the hit tv show "Red Dwarf" in the episode 'Meltdown'.
I didn't know what Gappa was at the time (I was probably only eight years old, to be fair) but after I saw your image, I did some googling to compare the figure I could see in your image, to the image of what I thought I could see in my mind.
Your image, looks just like Gappa. If you don't see Gappa in the image you saw; who is anyone to say, that the figures you saw and drew are the real interdimensional beings, but the ones I see are mere illusions?
I'm open enough to say that we are both wrong and that all we can see is the the result of apophenic phenomena I discussed earlier; I'm also open enough to say that we are both indeed seeing interdimensional beings. I am, however, going to be realistic - and consider that the most likely scenario is probably the most likely to be true.
Now, I can't draw what I see as well as you can - I tried, I can't do it; I couldn't draw to save my life - but I assure you that the figures I see within your imagery are rich, photographic and super detailed. Here are some crude knock ups I did in my favourite program, mspaint.
Here is an almost perfect image of what I can see (Gappa), next to the photograph you have posted:
Here is the accompanying video from my childhood - (6:03 to 6:13 is where all the fun is) - it's a good episode, for anyone who hasn't watched red dwarf before.
[YOUTUBE]
Who's to say that the animal I think the cloud most looks like, is more accurate than the animal you think the cloud most looks like?
Consider how extraordinary it is that our brains can do this, on the natch, without any sort of mental effort whatsoever - I don't think this is blase! I certainly don't shrug this off as a mere illusion; I certainly don't think of it as "just bullshit"; I think it is AMAZING and I love talking about it!
Most people would look at me sideways if I even suggested that I could see a rich tapestry of figures and ornaments in everyday textures and patterns; let alone, suggesting that they are akin to actual interdimensional beings who have broken through the existential veil to tantilise us in the murky static of our television sets or condensated window panes.
I think you should be proud that you can draw so vividly what you can see, I'd like to see how far this talent can go.
Here are some more pictures that describe basically what I can see - I by no means expect anyone to be able to see the same images I do.
In this same grainy image, I can see -as clearly as I could see Gappa: The Triphibian Monster- the front of a horse's long face, looking up slightly - with an angry goose's face superimposed over the top, like this:
I notice you also show different interpretations of the same images.
In post #15, you have a picture of what looks like a cross between Jesus of Nazareth, Hunter S Thompson and Ayman al-Zawahiri (this is just my interpretation, I promise I'm not trying to ridicule) - three people who I guarantee have never been associated together, but oddly enough have arguably been speculated to be interdimensional beings.
In post #16 you have shown a different interpretation of the same image, showing completely different figures - I would argue you are demonstrating a perfect example of the power of apophenia and paradoleia.
post #17 furthers this case even more.
Don't forget that the phenomenon you go on to describe in #17( seeing the cloaking-device girl could be a completely different phenomenon all together) - who's to say that what you saw wasn't some sort of true apparition? It certainly couldn't be described as apophenia.
I think you should consider yourself very privileged to have seen such an amazing 'apparition'. Whether it was a true apparition, a being from the external world, or whether it was the result of a highly active imagination will probably never be known - but either way, you should feel priviliged; some people - and this thread is testiment - see nothing at all.
I don't think you're insane or that you've lost the plot. Unless this is objectively affecting your life, or the lives of those around you, in negative ways then I feel a great disservice is being dealt to if you are being labeled, or if you label yourself, with some form of pathology.
Take this as a warning however- if you begin to believe you are insane or have lost the plot, expect the images and figures you are seeing to take a turn for the worst. If you begin to feel negative connotations about these images and apparitions- then you can expect a lifetime of hellscapes, demons, sinister figures and dark imagery that HR Giger could only dream of in his filthiest nocturnal emissions.
If you, however, see the enormous privilege it is to see such amazing things amongst everyday textures and noise, I believe you should transfer this ability into something constructive.
Pablo Amaringo (whom you are likely aware of), without any formal training, started to draw his visions from his experiences with ayahuasca - he is easily one of the most well known "visionary artists" today.
I have no idea if you have had any formal training, but I think your art shows great talent. Your huddles of everyday citizens -although at the moment, very basic sketches- remind me deeply of the richness found in much of Pieter Bruegel-the Elder's work:
I think our brains are amazing - so amazing that I feel we do ourselves a great disservice by explaining away the rich tapestries of our imaginations, as the supernatural.
Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
Hi thanks, i saw your post earlier so waited until i had time to reply properly. So i'm guessing you get it what's going on in the pics. and taking into account that These are still's from a video i shot of a pair of eyes. then i just randomly zoomed into certain areas that caught my attention, took a screen shot and adjusted the contrast for definition using an on line photo editing site.
And again, by turning the randomly selected frame upside down you get another image but it all seems the right way up. Well it's enough to make me question deeply, hence the "lets put it on the internet decision".
Thanks for the invite as well, i'm very familiar with red dwarf but wasn't a big follower so didn't get to remember watching most of it. But like you said, it has got an illusionary quality about it, almost cartoon like. But at the same time i have images that look like real photos, i'll be glad to share them with you.
Basically there's way to much to write about on an internet forum, i'm a one finger typer so it would take all day.
I'm still getting to grips with whats happening and now have an appetite for whats going on.
I've lots to process
