Interested in psychedelics for mental health

[Varallo]

I hear you, and you’re right, it’s worth giving people a chance to clarify before assuming the worst. That said, when someone makes sweeping, medically dangerous claims like “autoimmune disease is caused by parasites” and recommends veterinary drugs as treatment, it’s hard not to react strongly. There’s a real risk of harm when misinformation like that is shared publicly, even with good intentions.

So yes, let’s give @burningitagain the opportunity to explain or qualify what they meant. But let’s also be clear, this kind of claim needs to be challenged.

 

[northape]

These 1-post accounts are like door-to-door salesmen.
They try to push useless things on you, and when challenged, they disappear.

 

[doubledog]

Trying to recruit people for your hypnotherapy using reference to Charles Manson would really need some good reasoning.

 

[burningitagain]

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These 1-post accounts are like door-to-door salesmen.
They try to push useless things on you, and when challenged, they disappear.

I apologize for triggering anyone. I am not a person to try and push anything on anyone. I was genuinely trying to help. I have caused more harm by angering innocent people than I should have. I will stick to myself. I may ask a question here and there till I figure out this extraction process. Then I will be on my way. Again I apologize for any frustration I have caused anyone.

 

[blig-blug]

I apologize

Or, instead, you could engage with the conversation that you started. This is a forum, it should be assumed that other users are likely to engage with whatever you write. If you're not able or willing to stand by what you write, it's better to not write it at all. If you do, it's more mature to assume the consequences and engage than to run away the moment your statements are questioned.

Also, consider that if you're unwilling to engage with others, others may be unwilling to engage with you when you ask questions, as this is a forum and not a DMT helpdesk.

 

[northape]

I apologize for triggering anyone. I am not a person to try and push anything on anyone. I was genuinely trying to help. I have caused more harm by angering innocent people than I should have. I will stick to myself. I may ask a question here and there till I figure out this extraction process. Then I will be on my way. Again I apologize for any frustration I have caused anyone.

All good. Just be straightforward and open to discussing your ideas.
We're quite skeptical here and will challenge anything. That doesn't mean Nexus is unwelcoming;
every idea is valid, but you need to back it up. That's it - no need to hide anything. Welcome aboard.

 

[Transform]

Never heard of the helminthic therapy. I would have to look that up. As far as the research, I am not here to convince anyone that I am right. Everyone's reality isn't the same. I just know at one time I was passing parasites, and I was told that they were mucus. I took it upon myself to deworm myself. And the "mucus" that I seen freaked me out. I felt like crap for a couple weeks then it got better, so did my psoriasis and a lot of other crap that I had been dismissing as getting old. Since then I have heard lots of others saying the same thing about the de wormer. Maybe it was from the parasites being gone or the medicine does a lot of other things besides deworm. I don't know. I do know I don't use doctors anymore unless I cut the end of a thumb off or something.

While I get where you're coming from with this, having suffered from autoimmune diseases - even with a parasite connection - myself, we do have some rules here which preclude giving direct medical advice:

Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

It's not explicitly stated there, but I can assure it is part of our standards of posting behaviour. It is nuanced, however - presenting one's own experience is acceptable, but outright saying "you should try this" is not. "I had success with such-and-such" - acceptable; failing to present additional information about possible side effects - unacceptable. Add to that the fraught rabbithole of online, off-label medicament sale and we just can't go there.

Given that self-diagnosis can be a perilous game, critical thinking and quality of information are the crucial points here.

Continuing with my own anecdote, what got rid of my intestinal roundworm was in fact a blend of fresh, organic - biodynamic, even - vegetable juice. Really big carrots are great

 

[Jamie01]

Lol

There’s some evidence for parasites in auto-immune diseases. It’s not proof of causation. The truth is we don’t know atm. We don’t understand the full correlation.

I have done extremely involved parasite detoxes that took months, with the guidance of a naturopathic physician who specializes in auto immune diseases. I can assure you I still have both ankylosing spondylitis and ulcerative colitis(and serious anxiety I’ve had my entire life that I know is my immune system attacking my brain). I spent years doing restrictive diets and drinking ayahuasca and it did not cure me. It’s been 19 years of dealing with it and you learn to manage but the years undiagnosed untreated fucked my system up.

Anyway my issues are caused by an antigen called HLA-B27(as far as we know…it’s probly more complicated) that can form homodimers. Not everyone with AS has the antigen, but when you have it the disease is different and you end up getting others…like colitis, iritis etc

HLA-B*27 Heavy Chain Homo-Oligomers Promote the Cytotoxicity of NK Cells via Activation of PI3K/AKT Signaling - PMC

Background and Objectives: Ankylosing spondylitis (AS) is a chronic inflammatory disease and is highly linked with the expression of the human leukocytic antigen-B*27 (HLA-B*27) genotype. HLA-B*27 heavy chain (B*27-HC) has an innate characteristic ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This is just way too complicated to get into here though.. I won’t go down the rabbit hole of molecular mimicry etc. Its also a lot of speculation…again no one really has the whole picture atm.

In terms of parasites yes def in ankylosing spondylitis and ulcerative colitis most often you will find elevated levels of Klebsiella pneumoniae. The most common diet for these diseases cuts out starch entirely to lower klebsiella levels but it’s not a cure. It alleviates some of the symptoms.

 

[Voidmatrix]

These 1-post accounts are like door-to-door salesmen.
They try to push useless things on you, and when challenged, they disappear.

This is why I don't have time to always be nice about interactions with new members most of em don't last anyway.

One love

 

[Voidmatrix]

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I apologize for triggering anyone. I am not a person to try and push anything on anyone. I was genuinely trying to help. I have caused more harm by angering innocent people than I should have. I will stick to myself. I may ask a question here and there till I figure out this extraction process. Then I will be on my way. Again I apologize for any frustration I have caused anyone.

Don't be too hard on yourself. I don't think you really upset anyone. We're passionate here. And you're very welcome to be here.

One love

 

[kactuskutter]

Hi and welcome here.
It's worth to mention here that not all "magic'" mushrooms are the same, there is quite a difference how various species of mushrooms affect your body.

Simplest extraction method is an infusion, made from powdered dried mushrooms and slightly acidic water.

Another possibility for you could be some legal LSD analogue, which could be easier and not so risky to acquire.

Most of the LSD I have taken is actually 1P-LSD for precisely this reason. Even though it isn't explicitly scheduled, I am still concerned about the Federal Analog Act or similar state level laws.

 

[kactuskutter]

most auto immune disease is really a symptom of parasites in our body

I am skeptical, but I am planning to see a naturopath soon so will ask about this. I have seen a ton of conventional doctors and got a lot of tests and imaging that showed nothing. I think the most likely cause is a food/drug sensitivity since certain foods (whey protein powder) and drugs (mushrooms, cannabis, kava) seem to aggravate it. There are probably just more foods I eat frequently that are causing it that I don't know about yet.

 

[Here&Now]

@burningitagain I'm guessing you may already realize this, but even the mere mention of ivermectin will illicit all kinds of emotions. It became a politically polarizing topic in the most polarizing time in modern memory. So even if there is merit to its potential for treatment (which I'm truly ignorant of one way or the other), it'll be an uphill battle to convince half of the Western world. And the other half will be too eager to readily accept ivermectin without question, lol.

I don't know that this should deter you from saying what you think, but it's just an observation I'm making about human behavior.

 

[burningitagain]

So is it something you found "after lots of research", thus with enough evidence to support recommending it to people you don't know, or is it your anecdotal experience and hearsay as your second comment says?

It's not about convincing anyone. You can believe whatever you want, but then you should state that as your personal beliefs. In your first comment you're implying that you found solid evidence that "most auto immune disease is caused by parasites", in the second said evidence turns out to be your personal experience taking a dewormer (how's your personal experience "most auto immune disease"?). Thus, your first comment was misleading and potentially harmful if someone were to trust you.

It was both. I just don't happen to save the documentation anywhere but in my head. If I come across info that makes more sense than what I have been taught, then I start validating I was not expecting to have to face the review board. Lol. I don't operate like that. I will go find the info on my own before I just start telling people that they are wrong. Thank you for your diplomatic and wary response. Always a good thing to question things.

 

[Jamie01]

I’ve tried to add in whey protein and I flare so bad I can’t work, can’t surf etc and I end up limping around until I fix it. I’ve done the IgG IgE blood tests for sensitivities 3 times now and the list of foods I’m told I can’t eat is huge. Dairy is always a no go. I tested allergic to every grain other than rice and a lot of nuts/seeds.

It’s like a grand each time to do those tests so atm I have figured out I do best with non starchy fruit, some cooked vegetables and meat/fish…some predigested rice protein. Coconut milk but I avoid emulsifiers because they work against building your gut lining back up. I seem to tolerate some miso atm for a probiotic..

My colon doesn’t bleed almost at all at this point anyway…it’s mostly just always terrible constipation and cramping..and I’m able to surf/snowboard/skate and work a landscaping job. My rheumatologist has been pushing biologics on me and thought my naturopathic dr was a quack..but she’s taking me more seriously now because at 41 I have no real fusing in my spine and I’m doing better than a lot of her patients who just take the meds and forget the rest.

It gets more complicated because for me biologic medications like TNF-a inhibitors might only work once.. meaning if I go off them I can build immunity to the meds…so This is why I’m not going that route atm. I take celecoxib but only when it’s so bad I’m limping etc. can’t do naproxen or ibuprofen due to cox 1 inhibitors messing with gut lining.

Anyway diet/lifestyle is huge and I’d have a cane I’m sure of it otherwise. Hope you can figure out what works for you. We are all different.

 

[burningitagain]

@burningitagain I'm guessing you may already realize this, but even the mere mention of ivermectin will illicit all kinds of emotions. It became a politically polarizing topic in the most polarizing time in modern memory. So even if there is merit to its potential for treatment (which I'm truly ignorant of one way or the other), it'll be an uphill battle to convince half of the Western world.

I don't know that this should deter you from saying what you think, but it's just an observation I'm making about human behavior.

I understand. I only intended to plant a seed. If there is ever a time that someone is faced with something they don't have the answers for, they may just remember that dude that came in talking crazy.

 

[Jamie01]

Anti-inflammatory Effects of Ivermectin in the Treatment of Acetic Acid-Induced Colitis in Rats: Involvement of GABAB Receptors - PubMed

IVM exerted promising anti-inflammatory effects in treating acetic acid-induced colitis in rats. Its synergistic effect with baclofen also signified the possible involvement of GABA_B receptors in this process.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Here&Now]

I understand. I only intended to plant a seed. If there is ever a time that someone is faced with something they don't have the answers for, they may just remember that dude that came in talking crazy.

I've most definitely said far crazier things on this forum, though they weren't political landmines. At least not yet. Jeez, I sure hope esoteric spirituality never becomes political.

 

[burningitagain]

While I get where you're coming from with this, having suffered from autoimmune diseases - even with a parasite connection - myself, we do have some rules here which preclude giving direct medical advice:

Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

It's not explicitly stated there, but I can assure it is part of our standards of posting behaviour. It is nuanced, however - presenting one's own experience is acceptable, but outright saying "you should try this" is not. "I had success with such-and-such" - acceptable; failing to present additional information about possible side effects - unacceptable. Add to that the fraught rabbithole of online, off-label medicament sale and we just can't go there.

Given that self-diagnosis can be a perilous game, critical thinking and quality of information are the crucial points here.

Continuing with my own anecdote, what got rid of my intestinal roundworm was in fact a blend of fresh, organic - biodynamic, even - vegetable juice. Really big carrots are great

Thank you for the info. Guess I could have searched for that in advance of posting.

 

[burningitagain]

This is why I don't have time to always be nice about interactions with new members most of em don't last anyway.

One love

I understand. It was late, and when all this went down I did not have the energy to take it any further. But I woke up with it on my mind to not leave it as I had.