Interesting DMT discussion

[JusTShrooMinn]

Whats up guys

I come here now and again and do some reading but
Im a member of the shroomery and spend a decent amount of time over there
There is a very interesting discussion going on over there and I figured
The Nexus would appreciate it and some may have some things to add

DMT: Is this what we've been waiting for? - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board

So what's your standpoint as of NOW on this substance, this substance that exists not only in homo-sapiens endogenously, but in EVERYTHING. I just finished Strassman's book and just as i expected

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And The OP
Some people are misinformed but if you interested go take a look through the thread or feel free to discuss here.

" So what's your standpoint as of NOW on this substance, this substance that exists not only in homo-sapiens endogenously, but in EVERYTHING.

I just finished Strassman's book and just as i expected, as he drew the book to a close, he admitted, even from a scientific stand point, he cannot comprehend, nor does he know anyone who can comprehend, this profound visionary experience. The countless reports of entity contact is overwhelming, and we have no answers. We have 0 answers..

What do you think this is, do some of you really believe this will soon be described in physical terms as mere hallucinations? Or do you believe in the plausibility that under the effects of DMT, we key into those other realms?

We have identified 5% of this universe.. the other 95% we have no idea what it is, only that we have labelled it 'Dark Energy'.

Sorry for long fucking speech, but guys, what is this? Is this the beginning of something?"

 

[JuremaSpaceship]

Lol... I think it is what it is.

I'm ok not knowing some things, makes it more fun

Maybe we'll all learn the answers someday...maybe not, I'm just going with the flow.

 

[Bill Cipher]

Well, it's nice to see that JoeBono is still flogging the same horse carcass.

I'm just glad he decided to take it elsewhere.

 

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Truth is...nobody knows. Best to not try to box the experience IN ANY SORT of framework, whether scientific or metaphysical.

You know 'that' feeling you get in a strong dmt experience? That unshakeable, unquestionable feeling?

Most here know what I'm talking about. That is my answer.

 

[JacksonMetaller]

I feel conflicted on the issue. I feel psychedelics have led me to towards my current understanding of the universe, but at the same time I don't think chemicals necessarily have the ability to give you absolute knowledge about things. Perhaps it's just given me new perspectives on things I'm already aware of which have helped me come to where I am. I don't know.

For that reason I think DMT and other psychedelics are a complete mystery. You can't really categorize them as "just drugs" or "absolute truth." Claiming them as absolute truth would be as circular as claiming God is true because the Bible says so. However, to deny such a powerful experience on the premise that it's "just drugs" is kind of silly as well. I hate when people make that argument. While they ARE drugs, it's not the drugs making the experience. It's your brain. Which means your brain has had these capabilities long before the drug ever activated the experience.

 

[anrchy]

Above two posts, I think you can categorize it, and that it doesn't take away from the experience at all. We just have no idea what category it fits into as of yet. Time will tell.

If we said the same thing about religion, well then we'd never figure it out. Although I'm not saying everyone should analyze it to death (DMT) I just go with the flow as well, but eventually we will know what this thing is. At this point, I dont think anyone has a clue or is anywhere close to its actual definition.

I love the shroomery, I envision the nexus and shroomery like two little islands fairly close together. Sometimes the nexus island gets visitors by boat from the shroomery and sometimes the other way around.

 

[Mystic0]

The few things I read on that page instantly irritated me in some way, a lot of the people speaking about simply to my eyes have not tried it and the ones who have were abusing it with little respect for what it was. One guy quote 'did it for 2 years with ayhuasca' seems to have no spiritual respect or notion for what he was taking and the way he dealt with the repercussions of such was just shocking in some way another.

Another commenter saying 'DMT is bullshit.. patent pending' to me obviously does not understand or has had very bad experience with.

One can simply not know, this is the beauty of it. The profound and life changing effect it's had on me may be unique to myself, perhaps I had the mind to deal with it like many others. Perhaps they didn't have the mind to deal with it, I don't think we'll know. I just know that a lot of those comments had zero respect for something very beautiful and yet incredibly dangerous.

the nexus has a completely different view point and most of the users and speakers on this forum have profound respect for DMT and anything related to it.

 

[Mr.Peabody]

Well, it's nice to see that JoeBono is still flogging the same horse carcass.

I'm just glad he decided to take it elsewhere.

Yeah, his post on the shroomery was not a good thing to read before blastoff. What a negative person.

Yet another example of how DMT is self correcting.

 

[JacksonMetaller]

The few things I read on that page instantly irritated me in some way, a lot of the people speaking about simply to my eyes have not tried it and the ones who have were abusing it with little respect for what it was. One guy quote 'did it for 2 years with ayhuasca' seems to have no spiritual respect or notion for what he was taking and the way he dealt with the repercussions of such was just shocking in some way another.

Another commenter saying 'DMT is bullshit.. patent pending' to me obviously does not understand or has had very bad experience with.

One can simply not know, this is the beauty of it. The profound and life changing effect it's had on me may be unique to myself, perhaps I had the mind to deal with it like many others. Perhaps they didn't have the mind to deal with it, I don't think we'll know. I just know that a lot of those comments had zero respect for something very beautiful and yet incredibly dangerous.

the nexus has a completely different view point and most of the users and speakers on this forum have profound respect for DMT and anything related to it.

Those two posts were by the same person lol. I don't know. Joe has some valid points and he's a really well spoken person. I will not disagree that he is a very very negative nancy reagan though. His main point is that while he thought he was turning on to some new spiritual power and growing for 2 years he realized it was all delusion and he was really just bordering psychosis. And while I can respect that point of view, I think he's incredibly harsh sometimes where it's not necessary. Just because one man went mad with DMT, doesn't mean another can't find some very personal sacred use for it.

 

[Mr.Peabody]

I think one thing that bothered me so much about his post is that he does have a valid point. But mostly, he made his point in such a foul way.

To me, there is little difference between psilocybin and DMT in a lot of respects. Obviously, DMT offers more power in many respects, but I have been very far out there on shrooms. The way I view it, is that there is much learning to be gleaned from the visions, and the truth is not (often) the visions themselves. Most important is the frame of mind one can attain and take a serious look at them self to try to be a better person.

IMO Joe spoke of a bunch of times that he failed to see the message being given to him. But I know that's just speculation, since I wasn't there.

Edit:
He learned at least one very valuable lesson: DMT is not right for him.

 

[anrchy]

It sounds to me that he got the experience that his mindset was setup for. If I hadn't been open to interpretation I could say the same thing about my experiences. But I looked deeper into the experience. If you look at a homeless guy you can see two things, someone who isn't trying their hardest to find a job and make something of themself, or a suffering human who has lost hope and everything in their lives, someone who needs help but can't help themselves for whatever reason.

I'm curious at to what exactly he means by DMT "fuckijg up his brain". I find DMT has the lightest load on my brain and body out of every other drug I've done.

 

[Jarl Von Hoother]

It's a message...

...from the intergalactic facebook profile.

under the pseudonym,

God

I clicked *accept* on the friend request

 

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Joe was on this site for some time. All the older members know of his rant. He simply had an experience that shook him to the core, shook him so hard that he seems to have been fumbling ever since to get it into a neat little box with a bow tie. But unfortunately it doesn't work like that. He was given something wayyy outside his expectations and then some.

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[SnozzleBerry]

Joe was on this site for some time. All the older members know of his rant. He simply had an experience that shook him to the core, shook him so hard that he seems to have been fumbling ever since to get it into a neat little box with a bow tie. But unfortunately it doesn't work like that. He was given something wayyy outside his expectations and then some.

This also came after he was repeatedly given numerous experiences that were telling him to take a break, take care of himself, integrate, etc. at least in the opinions of numerous outsiders. He was taking moderate to high doses of pharma on a regular basis, and when his experiences started to go south, he kept dosing. Imo, this raises the question of, "What can you expect when you take an incredibly powerful psychedelic substance while repeatedly disregarding 'Set and Setting' and the advice of experienced people within the enetheogenic community?"

I think I can understand why he is bitter...trauma will do that to people. That being said, the trauma he experienced could have been avoided, im(outside)o. Joe is an unfortunate example of why set, setting, integration and many other oft-trumpeted "old adages" of psychedelic explorers are incredibly important. Imo, no matter what side of the line you stand on, if you think you've figured the DMT experience out, you're probably wrong.