Intro: Beginning to lockout

[rootBarkEnthusiast]

Hello everyone, I've finally decided to make an account here to share some of my experiences after lurking for a while. I was introduced to the spice a couple months ago when a friend gave me a vape to try, since then I have done a STB mimosa extract with which I have blasted off 20 times or so.

Everything was great until today, when I loaded up 50mg spice in changa into my bong, took the two hits it usually takes for me to blast off, and not much happened. There was the effect of being able to see the "inner light" of objects but besides that and a bit of confusion, nothing.

A few hours later I tried again, but to the same effect... I've been reading about people getting locked out but I've only been using it every couple days for the last month or so and I really didn't expect that to happen so soon. I haven't gotten a hyperslap or really any kind of bad trip yet, but recently one of the beings asked why I kept coming so maybe it was suggesting I chill with it.

I hope I can trip again after a few weeks, but reading Coastal's post about the lockout, I'm worried I may have fucked myself for a while at least.

 

[Bisy]

im locked out, and it didnt take long. i cant rule out the possibility of some sort of physiological problem that caused it, or an interaction with other substances. its a rather fantastic concept to believe that the beings of hyperspace can chose to lock you out, and ban you from their realm, but based upon the progression of my experiences, i definitely favor that possibility.

you mention how they asked you why you keep coming back.. i suggest you put very much thought into that question before going back. dont go back without an answer. many people do it simply to enjoy the colors and sounds without getting locked out, so that may be simple enough. i dont know..you hear the word intention thrown around here alot, and i have decided that it is to be taken seriously.

in my case, i ignored many warnings, wrote them off as halucinations, or who knows what. but looking back, it was not a sudden block out. it progressed slowly, the hyperslaps are not plesant.

the first stage of reduced effects can be described as feeling like i was demoted to spectator. i was no longer totally immersed in the experience, it still happened, but it felt more like watching it as opposed to being in the middle of it. have you experienced anything like that?

 

[Bisy]

also, even after all the beautiful colors and sounds were no longer possible, i could always break through with a ridiculously heroic dose, thats when you get the hyperslap. the last time i tried, i experienced my own sudden and unexpected death.

these are pretty recent experiences, and the most interesting thing about it all is that as i am slowly integrating and reflecting on all of it, my life is gaining momentum at an extraordinary pace. like ive just broken free from a lifetime of depression and oppression. im friggin on fire! kicking butt on life. everyone around me is fascinated and proud as hell of me. as i am of myself...

its the most amazing molecule.

 

[JKW]

There seems to be a self regulating aspect to DMT. I used to smoke it quite often after my first breakthrough. I suffer from depression and DMT would improve my mood, so I sometimes would smoke it multiple times a day. However one day it just stopped working. I would see an image of what would appear to be a chained door, and that was it.

I've been locked out multiple times. Sometimes there would be a warning, like a unpleasant trip. DMT has never scared me. Its preferred warning that I'm smoking too much is to gross me out. Once it even yelled at me: "What are you doing, man!?"

Stop smoking for a while. The last time I was locked out must have been in August of last year. I've only smoked twice since then. I personally think it's better this way. It makes for happier trips.

Good luck!

 

[JKW]

the first stage of reduced effects can be described as feeling like i was demoted to spectator. i was no longer totally immersed in the experience, it still happened, but it felt more like watching it as opposed to being in the middle of it. have you experienced anything like that?

Interesting you mention this. I never thought of it that way, but now I remember the warnings I received (gross out trips) were like movies being projected on a screen.

 

[rootBarkEnthusiast]

Thanks for the responses guys, I know I have probably been using it a little too much, but I'm at a point in my life where I have a lot of free time and too many tryptamines laying around haha. I didn't really get much of a decline in intensity before the "lockout", one of my most intense trips was just a couple days ago.

The first failure to blast off yesterday it really felt like a denial by some entity right after I took the second hit. I'm guessing I'll have to take a break from all psychedelics, which is disappointing because I had some acid I was hoping to try for the first time next week.

Anyway, I'll update this thread next time I try to go back to the spice.

 

[rootBarkEnthusiast]

Also Bisy, I just read some of your posts about getting locked out. I also had that weird "ghost" that didn't seem like something from hyperspace in my room (the entity that I feel like denied me) That hallucination only lasted like 20 seconds after I dosed myself though. Felt kinda evil but I was more pissed that I wasn't allowed to go than I was scared. Even considered loading up another whole dose to see whats up, which I'm glad I didn't (probably would've been beat up by elves idk)

 

[Voidmatrix]

Welcome to the forum:grin:

There's a lot of ideas as to why lockouts happen and there may be more than one reason.

I am one who advocates for intention. Helps prevent poopy surprises (like being locked out). It also reassures the entities. Even if it's to learn and grow, they seem to be good with that. (IME).

Just take a break for a little while. Engage with life and develop yourself with all that free time you have:thumb_up: .

For me, the more reverence, respect, and will to surrender I have, the better the experience.

The Spice will always be there, so don't fret. You'll get back in .

One love

 

[Bisy]

Also Bisy, I just read some of your posts about getting locked out. I also had that weird "ghost" that didn't seem like something from hyperspace in my room (the entity that I feel like denied me) That hallucination only lasted like 20 seconds after I dosed myself though. Felt kinda evil but I was more pissed that I wasn't allowed to go than I was scared. Even considered loading up another whole dose to see whats up, which I'm glad I didn't (probably would've been beat up by elves idk)

could you give some more details of the ghost/entity? what did you see? did it give you any sensations, was there a color/aura associated with it?

 

[rootBarkEnthusiast]

could you give some more details of the ghost/entity? what did you see? did it give you any sensations, was there a color/aura associated with it?

It's getting hard to recall since it was a while ago, but right after I smoalked I remember feeling very paranoid. The entity I saw at first appeared as a shadow in my peripheral vision, very much in my room as I didn't really get a taste of hyperspace or leave my body that trip. There were multiple "shadow" entities darting around my room, in and out of bookshelves, etc for about 20-30 seconds upon which time I was almost completely sober except for an odd discomfort that lasted a few more minutes.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Hey,

This is a relatively common reoccurring phenomenon with DMT use. I tend to wonder if this is more likely to happen after people read other trip reports of being locked out, and the "power of suggestion" causes the lock-out to manifest within themselves. Did this happen shortly after reading a few trip reports of others going through a lock-out?

It may be something related to hormonal conditions within the body during the time of consumption. Or it may be similar to someone remembering a dream vs. not remembering a dream.

In the past, I have considered an external entity type reason. However, lately I have become less infatuated with the idea of external entities, and more aligned with self-accountability. Perhaps this has a tad bit of introspection of the "power of suggestion" as well.

Either way, take as much time as you need and address the basic responsibilities within your waking life. Maybe even try to forget that you were locked out - or at least wait until the lockout has less influence on your thoughts before returning to DMT.

ACY

 

[Bisy]

Hey,

This is a relatively common reoccurring phenomenon with DMT use. I tend to wonder if this is more likely to happen after people read other trip reports of being locked out, and the "power of suggestion" causes the lock-out to manifest within themselves. Did this happen shortly after reading a few trip reports of others going through a lock-out?

It may be something related to hormonal conditions within the body during the time of consumption. Or it may be similar to someone remembering a dream vs. not remembering a dream.

In the past, I have considered an external entity type reason. However, lately I have become less infatuated with the idea of external entities, and more aligned with self-accountability. Perhaps this has a tad bit of introspection of the "power of suggestion" as well.

Either way, take as much time as you need and address the basic responsibilities within your waking life. Maybe even try to forget that you were locked out - or at least wait until the lockout has less influence on your thoughts before returning to DMT.

ACY

that is most definitely the mature and responsible perspective to take, and probably almost always likely to get us closer to the answers faster. it has always been my preferred viewpoint.. in fact, i used to be kinda narrowminded in that i ONLY accepted logical reasoning.. but the experiences ive had as of late suggest that both are correct, that we can self manifest just about anything, and also that doing so is beyond our abilities to control because we underestimate what we really are, and so we may manifest all or part of an experience, but with no idea how, or even that we did. and i include in that manifestation, the hormonal conditions of the body. like dmt gives us the vehicle that takes us to that place, but with no instructions on how to fly it, or what to expect when we get there, and without a clue how to understand the languages of the beings and their customs either.

its total chaos, but something about it seems so much less chaotic than life.

 

[iownme]

that is most definitely the mature and responsible perspective to take, and probably almost always likely to get us closer to the answers faster. it has always been my preferred viewpoint.. in fact, i used to be kinda narrowminded in that i ONLY accepted logical reasoning.. but the experiences ive had as of late suggest that both are correct, that we can self manifest just about anything, and also that doing so is beyond our abilities to control because we underestimate what we really are, and so we may manifest all or part of an experience, but with no idea how, or even that we did. and i include in that manifestation, the hormonal conditions of the body. like dmt gives us the vehicle that takes us to that place, but with no instructions on how to fly it, or what to expect when we get there, and without a clue how to understand the languages of the beings and their customs either.

its total chaos, but something about it seems so much less chaotic than life.

did you ever get back in?

 

[Pandora]

I find this phenomenon to be fascinating. If anyone SHOULD have been locked out back in the day it was me. I was begging for it. I was actively abusing the molecule with no real intention other than to keep tasting that novelty.

I would periodically (maybe 1 to 3% of the time) get rather epic and traumatizing hyperslaps and it would stay my hand for a little while . . . but then I'd pick that pipe back up and be back at it.

When I heard about Lockout I kept expecting it to happen but it never did. So clearly power of suggestion does not explain it all.

What really fascinates me is the accounts of the visual presentations of the lockouts - from chained doors, to giant red X's to entities with waggling fingers and so much more.

I wonder if there is anyone here or on other forums who have been Locked Out then after some time passed, welcomed back . . . ? VoidMatrix makes it sound like there might be . . .

 

[chromatixlixrob]

After a few days of smoking the batch I made, it just stopped having the breakthrough effect. I didn't change anything I was doing as far as smoking, my tolerance built up, after my second and third batch same thing happened. This didn't surprise me as I have rapidly built a tolerance for any drug I've ever used. Time off and less frequent use seems to be the remedy for it. Any thoughts?

 

[Pandora]

Difficult to be sure because as was detailed in the book, "Death by Astonishment," by A. Gallimore, the Locked Out phenomenon baffles science and defies EVERYTHING we know and have proven about tolerance with DMT . . . .it is a true mystery.

I do know that I have had colors kind of back off and drop out when I was a heavy user. I took a 7 year break and the colors came back STRONG. So, there is that. And one may not need such a long break . . . . I wish we knew more about this phenomena

 

[NeitherHere]

sometimes the phone service provider has outages from time to time. give it some time, go touch grass for a bit, and when you try again in the future go low and slow on the dosage and take a few days between trips. I'm of the school of thought that lockout is a physiological tolerance to the dmt.

best of luck friend

 

[Jamie01]

It would be neat to know how fast the ppl who experience lockout develop tolerance to psilocybin. I have never had lockout, but I also don’t seem to develop tolerance quickly in general. It takes a few days for psilocybin/psilocin tolerance to be noticed, and still it’s not huge.

Also how high are people dosing prior to lockout?

 

[windyshaman]

Sign me up - pretty sure I've just joined the same club as well. My trips were getting progressively bleaker over the last few months, took a couple weeks break following some of my own conclusions regarding other matters - to not much avail. No breakthrough, nomore CEV, not much OEV to write home about - not even minecrafted surroundings... Don't recall being explicitly "locked out" per say, do have a vague shade of a memory from one of the last "breakthrough-ish" trips - where I was sitting behind a table in front of someone imposing... no other details.

So, what an average break looks about? And I already know the exact answer - still currious - what others experiences have been like?

 

[Pandora]

I have a new DMT friend and we discussed Lockout and he mentioned psilocybin locked him out once. He was told NEVER come back until he was 100% done using cigarettes and alcohol.

He did manage to detox from both and mushroom space has welcomed him back.

But again, I must say as far as I can tell Lockout transcends things like my personal ideas of ethics and morality.