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Can't thank you guys enough for the information! All in less than a week you've set me up for a successful extraction (including sourcing the material).

I think I'll use this batch for leaf and the new one (in progress) I'll try to get it down as crystal. I've read through a lot of posts trying to organise the other issues I've had which I think I've finally figured all out, so I would assume the next batch will work out well (or at least better).

I'll keep this thread updated with any progress.

Cheers.
 
Another fail... The DMT looked pretty pure, not so yellow but white. It appeared to be nothing but crystal after I poured out the excess shellite and went to evap. the rest with a fan, the crystals basically turned into a clear liquid(?). I did everything fast, keeping it away from heat trying to avoid it re-dissolving but I'll probably have to write this one off and use it to enhance some leaf. With the IPA, do I just cover enough, mix it into leaf and evaporate same as other teks mention (instead of shellite)??

I'm halfway through the next batch, getting ready for the shellite extraction... Planning on defatting with a 2nd acid wash this time. At least the practice seems to be making things more efficient.
 
im up to my third extraction and i still think it could be improved even though im also following the dmt handbook.

It's all a learning process :)

yeah just enough solvent to cover the plant material then i just sat it out in the sun for a bit

be sure to let me know how it goes!
 
Either you took more than the 20 secs max required to pour of the solvent and stick it in the freezer upside down, or those crystals were ice. Were there crystals on the lid or above the solvent line? Might need to look into your extraction technique because water could be coming over and then pooling under the shellite in the bowl and tricking you (through foggy glass its convincing). For the leaf dissolve spice in IPA then add leaf and add more IPA if needed to make sure leaf is covered. swirl around a bit and then leave to evaporate.

Defatting or a 2nd a/b will arent really needed for acacias. As mentioned before it just comes down to technique and experiance, everyone stumbles at the start but they learn and results improve.
 
It could have been ice though a lot of it was under the solvent line. Everything was done fast as fuck but yeah, I'd say practice is going to make perfect. I can see where I can improve in each process so in a few weeks I'll gather up some more materials and try to get things down immaculately.

I did the second A/B, it was really quick and simple and appeared to be a lot more pure than the last one. Used 1/2kg of bark, only got through one pull (ran out of shellite and it was getting late) so the yield probably won't be the greatest but it looks clean.

If it's fine having the 4ltr jug/bottle (plant extract/acid water/caustic soda/left over shellite) sitting for a day then I'll do another pull or two after work (gotta stop by Bunnings heh).

Eluna - Have you had some clear success or are the extracts still a bit oily/yellow?
 
Your shellite will be yellow from all the oils and fats in the plant, and thats why you freeze precip rather than evap because you want them to stay trapped in there away from your spice. Try using more shellite Eluna, its probably the cheapest part of this whole equation, or do your usual 75/75/100 then do another 100 and put that in a separate dish to freeze precip as a test. Yeah blending/grinding the bark to fibers or powder really is needed otherwise too much is inaccessible to the acidic liquid.
 
alright ill give that a shot

How long do you evap for before you freeze precip?

Will the yellow oily liquid go cloudy?
 
There is no crystal to be had from the leaves (phyllodes), there is plenty of active orange oil which works just fine although is not the best to smoke. The phyllodes work really well in an ayahuasca brew.
The crystal is in the bark. Last summer I was lucky enough to have access to a tree that had been felled due to clearing for power lines. Yeilds of around 1.5% from 1kg of bark :)
 
I'm sure I fucked up on this first batch with the acid pH, didn't boil it down and got a bit mixed up with the measurements so it all together probably hasn't helped heh.

Hopefully this one works out better or at least yields more. If it's still a bit sludgy I'll deal with it.

I used vinegar this time around, I can't gauge pH below something like 6 at the moment (useless pool test kit!) so I thought it'd be sensible with the vinegar/water ratio in comparison to guessing the HCL use. Instead of boiling for 2 or so hours I separated 500g bark into 2 acid cooks in the slow cooker. Probably cooking each on low for about 6 hours. Then combined the used bark into another saucepan afterward for a final acid cook (1 1/2 hours).

Combined it all but didn't reduce (I didn't have the time but will do so in the future). My stove gets hammered with the pressure cooker (sterilising for mushroom related projects) so I avoid using it when I can. The mix is a bit dirty, I think a lot of powder fell through the strainers so next time I'll probably use cloth as a filter (if it's a decent idea).

Need to stock up on more bark soon. Thought I had heaps, worked out to maybe be around 800g.

The insight is at least giving me ideas where I need to tighten up my techniques. Maybe these won't be the greatest extractions but hopefully there'll be some good stuff in the future.
 
the ph doesnt really matter like 2-4 is okay

so just get 2l of distilled water
and literally add 2-5 drops of hcl

and your set
 
Yeah use hydrochloric or better phosphoric (check ph down hydro products) acid and you really only need a few drops. Reducing the liquid down to under a litre for 500g is very important otherwise your extraction with solvent will be very inefficient and take lots of pulls. Filtering through a doubled over sheet or the like is the way to go. Another way to get the fine particles out is to leave the acified liquid in the fridge in HDPE bottles and then decant it after a day, it will have settled to the bottom.

Fable said:
There is no crystal to be had from the leaves (phyllodes), there is plenty of active orange oil which works just fine although is not the best to smoke. The phyllodes work really well in an ayahuasca brew.
The crystal is in the bark. Last summer I was lucky enough to have access to a tree that had been felled due to clearing for power lines. Yeilds of around 1.5% from 1kg of bark :)
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Can you give some details on the brew (rue or vine? quantity of leaf etc) and the kickass yield? :)
 
Sure goto a hydroponics shop and find pH down, it will say something like phosphoric acid 85% w/w on the side. Little 500ml tubes.
 
It forms a more stable DMT salt in the acidic solution. The difference isn't massive but it does seem to perform better.
 
Everything's in the freezer now... To take the light off this topic, here's some current projects I am having success with:





#1 - A batch of trays ranging from 80-100 percent colonised. 2 x Golden Teacher, 4 x Cambodian, 3 x Penis Envy, 2 x Tasmanian, 1 x Ecuador... Everything's cool except the GT started to 'rot' (way too damp) & the Ecuador *might* have some cobweb contamination (never dealt with it before but it's sus).

#2 - My first monotub, so far a success. Put into light today to start fruiting.

#3 - Cacti that arrived today! Will be planting these, though that beast on the left looks tasty haha.

#4 - My greenhouse is fully functional as of today. Half of the above trays are currently in there... Automated with a small humidifier on a timer.

#5 - Project box/incubator... Just did a bunch of grain to grain transfers to keep the Penis Envy strain colonising... Apparently they don't drop spores too well and are rare as fuck to come by in Australia so I want to preserve as much mycelium as possible.

On a lighter note, at the checkout in Bunnings the lady actually commented on how often I've been into the store lately... Pretty weird but I always seem a bit suspicious carrying around shroom supplies (general hydroponic style shit, vermiculite/perlite/peat etc) or going through the checkout with Hydrochloric Acid, Shellite & Sodium Hydroxide haha! If they ever ask what I'm up to, I doubt I could lie my way out of it heh.
 
Eluna said:
Mumbles, could you give me more info on where i would find phosphoric acid?

Thanks
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If you're from WA as well I'm pretty sure I've seen it tucked away in Bunnings somewhere called phDown.
 
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