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Is DMT REALLY safe?
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40oztofreedom
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Everyone needs to die at some point. I accept that. I'll keep my body as healthy as I can for as long as I can.
But sometimes if its really that worth it (like DMT), sometimes you just need to say fuck it, and do it. Because the mental benefit far succeeds anything that would be considered positive or negative to the human body.
Frankly, if DMT gave me cancer I'd probably keep using it.
As long as I die happy.
But sometimes if its really that worth it (like DMT), sometimes you just need to say fuck it, and do it. Because the mental benefit far succeeds anything that would be considered positive or negative to the human body.
Frankly, if DMT gave me cancer I'd probably keep using it.
As long as I die happy.
The only thing here that scares me, is you two going on about evil spirits and to be very careful with something which has shown me some strange & alien, yes, but beautiful and enlightening things.
The hyperspace which one is transported to (or "envoloped by" i feel is more accurate) is populated by highly evolved beings, because it exists at a level of consiousness much higher in frequency than our own. If you experience negative things happening there, it is probably because of your own actions.
No one is raping your soul; no one is trying to hurt you intentionally misleading you or otherwise. We are all god, and god is love.
The only thing you have to remember here is that the universe IS a mirror of yourself: if you are convinced DMT is evil, then it probably IS - for you. but not for me, and not for others.
so, please keep all of this fearmongering off (probably) my favourite forum.
The hyperspace which one is transported to (or "envoloped by" i feel is more accurate) is populated by highly evolved beings, because it exists at a level of consiousness much higher in frequency than our own. If you experience negative things happening there, it is probably because of your own actions.
No one is raping your soul; no one is trying to hurt you intentionally misleading you or otherwise. We are all god, and god is love.
The only thing you have to remember here is that the universe IS a mirror of yourself: if you are convinced DMT is evil, then it probably IS - for you. but not for me, and not for others.
so, please keep all of this fearmongering off (probably) my favourite forum.
I personally think it's important to hear from people with negative experiences with DMT. Then others can weigh up the pros and cons in order to make an informed decision. I especially like to hear what 'old hands' have to say, so I can make a judgement on whether or not smoking too much of this stuff sends SWIY doo-lally!
Without debate coming from the whole spectrum of individuals' experiences, Nexus would be merely a cult of brainwash. It is the spirit of sceptical, scientific enquiry and relatively open exchange (I say relatively because a thread I started on police brutality did get deleted once!
) of ideas here that sets it apart from, say, the aya forums.
I am currently wondering whether people with mental problems are attracted to DMT, or on the other hand whether DMT causes mental problems. Because I would judge a lot of people on here to have 'mental problems'. Of course I'm being judgemental here, and I apologise if anyone is offended by this. Let me explain. Firstly, I am not disdainful of 'mental problems', we all have them, and SWIM himself used to suffer from depression, and still has things to improve about himself. I personally consider blind faith to be a mental problem (in the absence of healthy scepticism and open-mindedness), sometimes benign but potentially also a dangerous delusion. So when people here are adamant that the entities are real, I see that as potentially unhealthy. I would think the same about a fundamentalist Christian (or Muslim, Bhuddist etc) blindly following what their god 'tells' them to do, without question, to the detriment of the rest of society. Of course, blind faith can be benign, even beneficial, but still it is obviously unscientific and not a trait of my personal definition of 'self-actualisation'.
Without debate coming from the whole spectrum of individuals' experiences, Nexus would be merely a cult of brainwash. It is the spirit of sceptical, scientific enquiry and relatively open exchange (I say relatively because a thread I started on police brutality did get deleted once!
) of ideas here that sets it apart from, say, the aya forums.I am currently wondering whether people with mental problems are attracted to DMT, or on the other hand whether DMT causes mental problems. Because I would judge a lot of people on here to have 'mental problems'. Of course I'm being judgemental here, and I apologise if anyone is offended by this. Let me explain. Firstly, I am not disdainful of 'mental problems', we all have them, and SWIM himself used to suffer from depression, and still has things to improve about himself. I personally consider blind faith to be a mental problem (in the absence of healthy scepticism and open-mindedness), sometimes benign but potentially also a dangerous delusion. So when people here are adamant that the entities are real, I see that as potentially unhealthy. I would think the same about a fundamentalist Christian (or Muslim, Bhuddist etc) blindly following what their god 'tells' them to do, without question, to the detriment of the rest of society. Of course, blind faith can be benign, even beneficial, but still it is obviously unscientific and not a trait of my personal definition of 'self-actualisation'.
Garulfo
Rising Star
My friend is clearly feeling better with smoking once/twice a week than every days as he used to do a while ago.
There is something in the DMT experience that drain energy to a state where it's hard to fight against possible mental problems because of some lacking of that energy.
Maybe just a lack of serotonin... really don't know. But every days or every 2 days is not 'good', it's just a habit.
There is something in the DMT experience that drain energy to a state where it's hard to fight against possible mental problems because of some lacking of that energy.
Maybe just a lack of serotonin... really don't know. But every days or every 2 days is not 'good', it's just a habit.
ohayoco said:
You probably are onto something here, however "mental problem" needs to be quite broad for me to agree with that hypothesis.
People who are attracted to "drugs" generally have some issues...be it small or large. I personally would never have found DMT if I had no interest in "drugs". I believe that most people on this site have a similar story (I could be very wrong here). DMT removed my interest in hard "drugs" such as opiates, cocaine, and the like. It's really my anti-drug!
I don't believe that DMT will cause a person to have mental problems. Although some psycadelics such as salvia has been linked to mental distrubances lasting upwards of months, this has not been reported with dmt.
I find that a dose of spice every now and then kind of resets my system. It uplifts me out of a funk, puts focus on what is important to me, and give me motivation to better myself...
many people that swim has met had very blessed lives and not many issues and where attracted to psychedelics in general because they had a desire to explore and learn not because they had issues... now im not sure the same applies to the folks ive met who had an interest in say meth or coke or heroin... in those cases you have a valid point...
randomseed
Rising Star
BoyPony said:
This should be like duh at this point people.
Who let the fear mongers in?
Maybe the insects are psychic terrorists, or maybe its Osama bin spirit tripping?
A good cliche is get your dogma the fu*k away from my Karma.
And this whole "but shamans wouldn't do it" thing. EVEN if that was true...so what? I have not met these people to possible be able to judge their ability or intent. I honestly believe 90% of all the "true" old world knowledge is lost in these parts of the word (South America, rain forest areas etc...). Any place that faces the encroachment of modern humanity and its tendencies is subject to the same monitization and eventual dilution of knowledge that happened to western and European magical knowledge a long time ago. Let there be no mistake the majority of these places are very much apart of the modern world now, backwater and remote sure but just as influenced by greed, jealousy, fear and lies as any place else. I would put no more faith in a shaman in Brazil then I would in a shaman from New York City until I had met and observed them and I don't think their local would even factor into it.
From what Ive read of all our favorite authors and then some there really does seem to be an almost complete breakdown in the classic shamanistic traditions in most the world. In many senses they seem to have taken the role of a carnival game operator in that any passer by is welcomed to stop in and get suckered, doubly so since in this case the suckers are tourists and pose no threat of reveling the ruse to others. Because of frequent reports of stolen items, weak effects, and inner bickering among the so called "shamans" Id be willing to say only between 1 in 10 to 1 in 100 are actually interested in helping you find anything other then smoke and mirrors. Personally if I found myself in the amazon and bumped into "shamans" trying to sell me an ayahusca experience I would quite simple pass and consider it a waste of my time. However if I was walking along and took refuge in a cave to get out of the rain and there so happened to be an old man/woman sitting quietly who offered me a strange smelling off colored tea just because I was there Id down it without hesitation. Quite frankly I KNOW I am personally far more aware and able to effectively wield inner personal power then these charlatans. The experience thing is almost meaningless, Ive worked with people doing what I do (programmer) for 10 years or more longer then me and in many cases I can say I am better at it then they were, this can be true of anything.
Most of you reading this are quite powerful shamans of your own right and I hope you understand that.
That's IT! Exactly how it is for SWIM... when the negativity returns, or the cultural conditioning is creeping in, REBOOT.acolon_5 said:
Master of plants
Master of plants
I believe dmt is really, really safe.
mardybum
Rising Star
litrium said:
sounds like the whole experience could of been misinterpereted because of the reaction with fear. that happens on any psychedelic, as soon as you react with fear, everything spins out of control, and the people around you, even your best friends, can start to seem evil and demonic
Fatcat
Rising Star
LLB said:
Weed is safe lol.
Anyway, I doubt that smoked DMT is as bad as tobacco, but I'm sure it's not as safe as oxygen. Chronic use, from what I have heard, is almost impossible after a certain period, and if you are using any drug that much I'm fairly sure your health isn't on the top of your list.
oh and by the way mckennas brain tumor was not caused by smoking DMT...
jesus...
TM had only smoked DMT a few times he admitted. he said it was one of his favorite drugs but he had only done it a few times because of the immensity of it.
but hey dont listen to me ive got bad spelling and grammar...
jesus...
TM had only smoked DMT a few times he admitted. he said it was one of his favorite drugs but he had only done it a few times because of the immensity of it.
but hey dont listen to me ive got bad spelling and grammar...
smokeydaze
Dragunov Mylshka Teapot
hehe I forgot about litrium, he was funny.
That's the spirit!40oztofreedom said:
I agree, good post.acolon_5 said: