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Is it ok to start with DMT?

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DH888

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Hello all. I have never done a psychedelic before. The only substances I've ever done is weed and alcohol. Personally, I never really enjoyed weed. In fact, I had some pretty bad experiences with it; really bad anxiety, paranoia, feeling 'outside myself'. I'm now in my late 30's and have become more and more interested in psychedelics - specifically DMT. I'm not interested in them to simply 'get high', I'm more interested because of the amazing life changing experiences people have had with them. I suffer from depression and I've read that mushrooms (I'm not sure about DMT) has helped some people immensely with their depression.

So, I'm wondering A) If I had bad reactions to weed, should someone like me even try psychedelics? and B) Since I've never done any psychedelics before, is it wise to start with DMT, or should I start with something like mushrooms?

I thought about starting with a microdose of psilocybin to see how I react and take it from there. But I really like the fact that DMT only lasts a short time. Unfortunately with my job and daily life, I have limited time to try these substances, so something short acting would be ideal. But I'm afraid it may be too much for a noobie such as myself.

What do you guys think?
 
Hi 888,

I think we have a similarity in that I also do not enjoy weed.

I don't suffer from depression, but I started developing anxiety about 10 years ago, to which my Dr prescribed Xanax. As wonderful as the first pill was, within a month I could tell that this xhit was bad news. I weaned myself off of it and have never fully trusted doctors since.

This summer I read "A Really Good Day" by Ayelet Waldman which gives a fantastic teardown of the Big Pharma cartel and discusses her experiment microdosing LSD. I gave that a shot and have since been able to put my anxiety problem in a tiny box in the cellar where it belongs. I can see how Big Pharma would never let this therapy out in the open: for USD $0.40 per week I can now get a handle on anxiety without dealing with addiction, contraindications, and a never-ending ladder of tolerance and increased doses. LSD is a miracle molecule as far as I am concerned.

I have never tried md mushrooms, but from what I read the effect is basically identical, with perhaps a slightly different sensational seasoning. Growing some of my own is on my list of things to do. In any case, I highly recommend looking into it further.

This little experiment led to a serious fascination with psychedelics. I never tripped on my LSD supply because I never had 20 straight hours all to myself. But when I learned that DMT provides an experience inside of 30 minutes and I knew this was something I could investigate!

I have no idea if DMT has an effectiveness against anxiety (I don't wish to remove the LSD variable at this time). As to your question "will it be too much for a noobie". In my opinion, yes, it is too much. This molecule is literally a mind-exploding gateway to true reality as far as I am concerned. I've done it 7 times so far, and more time passes in between each journey because the lessons I need to absorb from them grow deeper. There is nothing recreational about this molecule. This is 100% about plumbing the depths of ultimate reality. In this case "too much" is not necessarily a deterrent. It's in a class all of its own.

You've already taken the first few steps of climbing this staircase. I urge you to continue! Good luck my fellow seeker.
 
There's certainly nothing saying you can't start with DMT. Although the active time is short, it can be quite intense, so if you decide to go with it you're going to need a scale capable of measuring milligrams and be very sure of your source/product. You may be correct in thinking that microdosing mushrooms might be a better way to start.

Having adverse reactions to cannabis is a little concerning, as psychedelics can take you to some of those same places but to an elevated level, especially feeling "outside yourself." At the same time, it is quite different than paranoia that I have occasionally experienced with cannabis. Unfortunately, there is only one way to know for sure, and it just depends on if you feel like going there or not. If you do, make sure to be in a safe, comfortable setting with someone you trust nearby. :thumb_up:
 
i sometimes wounder if i would consider DMT a good psychedelic starting drug and my result is always: maybe, if done the right way.

the fact that it does only last a short time makes it a very good candidate for your first psychedelic drug. If it turns out you do not like the feeling you just have to hold on for a few minutes not the 4 to 6 hours shrooms can take.
Also, if you have a scale you can dose quite accurately.

another option would be changa, as the onset is can be way smoother


my advice if you do not mind spending a bit of money is:
*read through the vapor genie threads here on the site (i admit i am biased, it is my favorite way of consuming dmt)
*get a vapor genie and if you really don't mind get the glass version.
*decide weather to use dmt or changa (i would vape both in the GVG)
*choose a small enough dose to start with - for me 10mg DMT do not get me anywhere near hyperspace but you can taste the feeling


i should add: as the reactions to any psychedelic drug varys a lot from person to person this might not be a good choice for you. spent time on this site, do your research and at some point make a decision
 
Thanks guys for the advice. I've been researching DMT for a while now. I'm currently reading Michael Pollan's new book on psychedelics. It's something I am VERY curious about....I'm just afraid. Part of me feels that if I couldn't handle weed, what makes me think I could handle DMT? But the last time I did weed was probably 15-16 years ago. My whole way of thinking about life is much different now. Maybe I should try weed again to see if it effects me differently? I also realize that DMT and weed are very different. In other words, if I had a bad reaction to weed doesn't mean that I'll have one to DMT.

Ugh, I don't know what to do. I feel that I would regret it on my death bed if I never try DMT or mushrooms at least once, lol.

So I have a question (this is one of the reasons I've been so hesitant to try it); Can DMT have any permanent adverse effects? I've read about HPPD from LSD, and people even having mental breakdowns from it. I haven't heard this about DMT however. I know it's physically safe, but can it do anything negative psychologically? I guess that's why I'm worried. I have this fear that I'm going to go on the trip and never come back (I know that isn't true, but it's scary to think about).
 
I also dislike weed, you're not alone DH888. The stuff makes me anxious and uncomfortable.

HPPD is uncommon and when it does occur is normally from abuse or from nasty research chemicals. I have never met or spoken with a person who experienced HPPD from "normal" psychedelic use. They probably exist, but the chance of dying on the way to work is probably higher. Do not necessarily believe what you have read on this topic. There's a lot of ignorance and disproportionate negative media out there. Also, a lot of people who thought they ate LSD actually ate NBOMe or one of it's family and now have persistent issues. Far more common. Young people with growing brains are particularly vulnerable to these dangerous chemicals.

The chance of real LSD, DMT or psilocybin having any lasting negative effects is minute in comparison to the chance of it having lasting positive effects in my opinion. There is risk, life has risk, but I wouldn't call these substances risky.

All that said, psychedelics are not a toy. Not that they can't be fun, but should be approached with the same caution you would any tool. They come with all the same caveats.

You don't have to spend a fortune to have an experience either.

I dunno if you should do it, you can answer that. Though plenty of other people try it as their first psychedelic and stories of regret are few and far between. Normal reactions range between "wow it's fantastic/amazing/beautiful I want to do it again" and "that was scary, never again". I've never seen any roadkill from anyone trying it with a safe set and setting.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say give it a go. I'd tried LSD and shrooms, but also dislike the length of the journey - especially the protracted come down. First time I tried LSD was terrifying, and shrooms are incredibly variable in potency (you have to normalise them by chopping up a whole bunch of mushrooms into small pieces and mixing it up to get a relatively consistent/predictable dosage). The only other psychedelics I want to try are mescaline and MDMA. Weed and DMT are not comparable (personally, I've gone off weed over the years). Long-term adverse affects of DMT? Well, my experience and opinion is that moderation is your friend.

With DMT, you can do your homework, make a pure product and start with low doses quite easily. Start with 3-5mg and see how you feel with the body load. Then work your way up over time. I went up incrementally over about 20 trips and in sequence separately experienced: nothing, body load, 2D visuals, 3D visuals, immersion, ego loss, entities, learning. Use a .001g scale to measure accurately and follow the cardinal rules of positive mindset and safe/peaceful environmental setting; and until you're comfortable also use a trusted trip sitter.
 
So, I'm wondering A) If I had bad reactions to weed, should someone like me even try psychedelics? and B) Since I've never done any psychedelics before, is it wise to start with DMT, or should I start with something like mushrooms?

Yes to both questions.
In fact, i would recommend vaped dmt freebase as a first psychedelic since it is short acting and, even in sub breakthrough doses, gives you a proper idea what a psychedelic can be like.

DMT was my first psychedelic and i don't regret it one bit.

Mushrooms are different in the low to midrange dose in my experience. They are close yet different. It is difficult to explain why, but ayahuasca for instance is much closer to vaping dmt than mushrooms in my experience.

I also had trouble with Cannabis before.
 
I cured a suicidal depression permanently by finding the experience of "anti-power forever" (I can't do it and I will never be able to) and experiencing that energy until it discharged from my being. Took about 3 months of 2 hours a day. Over the years, I have also done that on all the negative emotions such that I have none at all in my life now. DMT is overkill, but if you do use it and apply that experience discharge, it could clear it all out in a couple of sessions. AS a beginner you will need someone there to help you maintain your focus of your attention of the energy released by the DMT will send you off in other directions. I recommend you vape the first couple of times until you get a feel for the energy and then go oral so that you get at least 3 hours to work on the depression. The basic law is: EXPERIENCED EXPERIENCE DISAPPEARS. RESISTANCE CAUSES PERSISTENCE. When you experience something fully, that mass of energy discharges, like a battery discharges to a lightbulb.
 
I would maybe recommend to try LSD or shrooms first. However, even if you had tried LSD or shrooms, you couldn't still be perfectly prepared for DMT. Freebase DMT experience is so different from LSD and mushrooms.

If you want to try DMT as your first psychedelic, I would recommend you to start with small doses. And increase in small steps. Like 10mg first time, 20 mg second time, etc. It can be intense even without a breaktrough.
 
I feel I've given my 2 cents on this a few times and my answer is always yes but only in my personal experience.

I started with DMT having never touched anything but weed. It was all that was available. I had access to a milligram scale and I knew that I could just dose very low and build up to whatever I was comfortable with, knowing that I would only have to wait a matter of minutes until it was over.

DMT may be the most mentally or spiritually powerful psychedelic but it has the least physical toll on the user in my experience and it's easy to measure a low dose with the proper scale. Eyeball it at your peril. One could simply hit 5mg, later 10... later 15... call it a night. That weekend start with 10, later 15... then you might think screw it and do 25 and then hours later, 30.

You can absolutely walk before you run with DMT alone.
 
Love appears said:
For sake of everybodys health, DMT should never be eyeballed.


If you weigh it out enough you come to know what a dose is just eyeballing it. In particular, if you're not vaporizing it with near perfect efficiency, a few mg difference is irrelevant.
 
I would start with either small dose of LSD or mushrooms first.

Mushrooms might be ideal since the trip has relatively short duration.

The advantage of LSD in smaller dose (say 50-150 micrograms) is that you have more control hence can stay comfortable.
 
blue.magic said:
I would start with either small dose of LSD or mushrooms first.

Mushrooms might be ideal since the trip has relatively short duration.

The advantage of LSD in smaller dose (say 50-150 micrograms) is that you have more control hence can stay comfortable.

Low Dose LSD i found really unnerving to the point where i never touched it again.
 
Cinnamon said:
Love appears said:
For sake of everybodys health, DMT should never be eyeballed.


If you weigh it out enough you come to know what a dose is just eyeballing it. In particular, if you're not vaporizing it with near perfect efficiency, a few mg difference is irrelevant.

If all the DMT you're eyeballing is from the same batch and thus is the same purity, crystal size and density then the risks are smaller. This still takes experience and requires weighing it in the first place to get an idea as you mentioned. But if you can weigh it anyway then why even bother eyeballing it?

For every different batch the crystal size, purity and density changes. Sometimes just the shape of the crystals determine how they fit together in a pile, and the size of the air spaces between. The experiences of myself and countless members of the forum confirm that appearances can be deceiving.

I think it's best to recommend against eyeballing it in general. I feel that best reflects the values of the forum. If one insists I would say make enhanced leaf at the very least.

obliguhl said:
Low Dose LSD i found really unnerving to the point where i never touched it again.

Ditto mushrooms, sometimes.
 
obliguhl said:
blue.magic said:
I would start with either small dose of LSD or mushrooms first.

Mushrooms might be ideal since the trip has relatively short duration.

The advantage of LSD in smaller dose (say 50-150 micrograms) is that you have more control hence can stay comfortable.

Low Dose LSD i found really unnerving to the point where i never touched it again.
The low (not micro) doses of almost any psychedelic will do that for you. LSD may be a bit worse because of it's stimulating effects. It's that sorta half in/half out feeling that is pretty annoying. You cannot realy enjoy the full effects of it, yet you can't ignore it and get on with your everyday busines either.

DMT is not bad to start with. Given the fact that you have no experience with other psychedelics, except weed, you are probably less afraid than most of us here.
 
OP, I was in your shoes not too long ago. I never had any psychedelic other than weed (which is a stretch I know). Nonetheless, I started with DMT at sub breakthrough doses and it worked out fine.
Sidenote: if you are in a legal state - there are so many different strains of weed that you bound to find one which suits you well. On the other hand, alcohol is a serious drug with serious adverse health consequences.
 
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