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Is there any way(s) of extending a dmt trip w/o harmalas?

Orbtr

Orbtr

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As the title states, can the dmt trip be extended any other way other than Harmalas/Rue? I have scoured the forums and can't find the angle I'm looking from. I.E- if you were to engage in tyramine rich foods beforehand, would that slow the breakdown of dmt- extending the trip? Or would you be unable to reach a level (of essentially maoi) that wouldn't be effective?
My understanding is, harmine, harmaline, THH all are a MAOI but with a 'little extra' psychoactive content. I'm simply wanting to extent the already plenty ride of dmt.
The raw products to make harmalas are as difficult to attain as raw D products, so I am wondering if an easy oral solution is out there that I missed....
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Quick answer is: Moclobemide is what you are looking for.

Here there be dragons...

Good morning people of the Nexus. Yesterday I attempted a pharma session, using moclobemide 300mg and freebase DMT at 50mg; this gave a light but enjoyable experience which left me feeling the need for pushing things a little further.Using bong hits of changa (caapi x11 with FB DMT in a 1 to 1...
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Orbtr said:
As the title states, can the dmt trip be extended any other way other than Harmalas/Rue? I have scoured the forums and can't find the angle I'm looking from. I.E- if you were to engage in tyramine rich foods beforehand, would that slow the breakdown of dmt- extending the trip? Or would you be unable to reach a level (of essentially maoi) that wouldn't be effective?
My understanding is, harmine, harmaline, THH all are a MAOI but with a 'little extra' psychoactive content. I'm simply wanting to extent the already plenty ride of dmt.
The raw products to make harmalas are as difficult to attain as raw D products, so I am wondering if an easy oral solution is out there that I missed....
Thanks for your thoughts.
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The preference would always be towards Banisteriopsis Caapi over Rue. The vine is the traditional teacher and represents a fairly potent MAOI, along with its range of other attributes.
 
Preference is always to also use something inhaled if relying on more obscure MAOI’s. Their role extends far more broadly than DMT, and orally consuming synthetic variants, or more obscure indirect MAOI’s has its risks.

The vine is a potent antagonist of a variety of compounds not typically associated with MAOI effects. It potentials stimulants to dangerous effectiveness for instance. There is a lack of real education around these considerations I feel
 
Plotty said:
The vine is a potent antagonist of a variety of compounds not typically associated with MAOI effects. It potentials stimulants to dangerous effectiveness for instance. There is a lack of real education around these considerations I feel
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We have at least a couple of sticky threads dedicated to this:

[Harmalas] MAOI Drug Interaction Disclaimer

WARNING: There are very dangerous interactions between any MAOIs (including harmalas) and many commonly used recreational drugs and medications, including SSRI medications (such as prozac) and stimulants (such as MDMA and other amphetamines) as well as many others. If you're taking SSRI's, do...
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Meds to Avoid on Aya

I found this today and wanted to share it with all of you lovely people. Here is the original link - http://ayahuascasafety.org/?page_id=13 And the article - Meds to avoid with Ayahuasca Is it really dangerous to combine some pharmaceutical drugs with Ayahuasca? YES. Unlike food...
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It's an important part of the Nexus harm-avoidance mission.
 
Varallo said:
Quick answer is: Moclobemide is what you are looking for.

Here there be dragons...

Good morning people of the Nexus. Yesterday I attempted a pharma session, using moclobemide 300mg and freebase DMT at 50mg; this gave a light but enjoyable experience which left me feeling the need for pushing things a little further.Using bong hits of changa (caapi x11 with FB DMT in a 1 to 1...
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Wow. Talk about a step too far... good read and good info. I think I'm looking for something about halfway there. 😆
I assume Moclobemide is yet another substance that is difficult to attain, much like the other harmala root ingredients.
 
Transform said:
Tyramine wouldn't help, tryptamines are metabolised by MAO-A, in contrast to MAO-B which acts on the phenethylamines like tyramine.
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Thank you. Guess I won't make a Charcuterie board for my next session... 😆
 
Transform said:
We have at least a couple of sticky threads dedicated to this:

[Harmalas] MAOI Drug Interaction Disclaimer

WARNING: There are very dangerous interactions between any MAOIs (including harmalas) and many commonly used recreational drugs and medications, including SSRI medications (such as prozac) and stimulants (such as MDMA and other amphetamines) as well as many others. If you're taking SSRI's, do...
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Meds to Avoid on Aya

I found this today and wanted to share it with all of you lovely people. Here is the original link - http://ayahuascasafety.org/?page_id=13 And the article - Meds to avoid with Ayahuasca Is it really dangerous to combine some pharmaceutical drugs with Ayahuasca? YES. Unlike food...
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It's an important part of the Nexus harm-avoidance mission.
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Good info, thankfully I'm not on any prescriptions, non-prescriptions or other recreational drugs.
 
Transform said:
Presumably you're using the term "root" to mean "source", but in case of confusion, it's the seeds which are more readily available.

I suspect you may find them when you're truly ready…
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Correct. Source. Not 'root'.
I have a tendency to want to run as soon as I learn to walk, so I will await the time (patiently) until such 'method' presents itself.
Thanks for your input.
 
Plotty said:
The preference would always be towards Banisteriopsis Caapi over Rue. The vine is the traditional teacher and represents a fairly potent MAOI, along with its range of other attributes.
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I like the idea of a synergistic affect. (Intentional use of affect rather than effect). Hopefully, when I'm ready, it will present itself to me.
Thank you.
 
Orbtr said:
Wow. Talk about a step too far... good read and good info. I think I'm looking for something about halfway there. 😆
I assume Moclobemide is yet another substance that is difficult to attain, much like the other harmala root ingredients.
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Well I don’t know if it’s difficult to obtain and it might be easier than you think, personally I’d rather take harmalas extracted from Rue but if the opportunity arises I would definitely try Moclobemide.
A long time ago I have played around with raw cacao and I feel that this was somewhat extending the experience, but to be fair I also think that there might have been a bit of self suggestion involved. It was at a time when there was not as much good information available and you would go about testing things out on hearsay. Anyway it might be worth a try, I remember that they were really tasty.
 
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I will have a look at that, as well as diving deeper into Moclobemide. In my 'older age' I don't really have the time commitment to a good lsd/mushroom trip, and dmt (which i find much more fascinating, and interesting) isn't quite long enough (as in, once I'm comfortable with the hair straight back aspect, I'm aware that the peak is over and I'm on the come down). Kind of reminds me of a super hyped roller-coaster that you wait in line much longer than the ride...😂).
 
Maybe try a sub ohm vape with some DMT citrate, in my opinion it’s one of the easiest methods of dosing and is relatively simple to keep dosing for as long as you want as long as you keep some sort of control over your body. Be careful though extended hyperspace travel can be taxing even if it’s all fun and light, take care to keep healthy breaks in between.
 
Varallo said:
Quick answer is: Moclobemide is what you are looking for.

Here there be dragons...

Good morning people of the Nexus. Yesterday I attempted a pharma session, using moclobemide 300mg and freebase DMT at 50mg; this gave a light but enjoyable experience which left me feeling the need for pushing things a little further.Using bong hits of changa (caapi x11 with FB DMT in a 1 to 1...
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But it seems to be very difficult to find. Any help would be deeply appreciated.
 
Varallo said:
Maybe try a sub ohm vape with some DMT citrate, in my opinion it’s one of the easiest methods of dosing and is relatively simple to keep dosing for as long as you want as long as you keep some sort of control over your body. Be careful though extended hyperspace travel can be taxing even if it’s all fun and light, take care to keep healthy breaks in between.
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I'd add to this that, in my limited expedience, DMT citrate seems to last a bit longer than DMT freebase.

The difference isn't very significant, though. I feel like citrate has a slower come up and also a longer plateau. Maybe the total lenght is 10% longer than usual. Can someone comment on this? Do you feel like DMT salts act a little slower than DMT freebase?

On a different note, I've only smoked DMT while on amphetamine once, but that one time was pretty long too. The trip was significantly longer, probably twice the normal lenght. This will undoubtedly alter the trip, though.
 
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