is this solvent ok? (Xylene) + 4-methylpentan-2-one

[glowing_annalog]

Hi.
I'm having troubles finding naphtha. I found a lighter fluid that works great but it's mutch more expensive than this Xylene.
I'm wondering if in case I need an alternative if this will work.
I know Xylene works but I don't know what that 4-methylpentan-2-one is.
Is it some additive? Is it clean xylene?



Thanks


Edited:just noticed the sticky on solvents. Sorry.... if possible move to right forum.

 

[Brennendes Wasser]

Well it looks like methyl isobutyl ketone is not thaaat healthy, but the same goes for Xylene. It seems as methyl isobutly ketone is partially miscible with water. Very low, but still if you throw it on water and then separate it + evaporate it then you will be left with a sludge instead of a crystaline product, as the methyl isobutyl ketone may hold up to 2 % water in it.

Also it has a high boiling point along with Xylene. I don't know how you nicely remove it from the DMT. Do you simiply boil it off? Then the water would not be a real problem. But it looks like methyl isobutyl ketone AND xylene gases are very unhealthy to inhale, so you highly need to do it in a way that you won't get anything in your lungs.

On the other hand I guess freezing your product out of the solvent is also impossible, the solubility of DMT should be very high.
It has an XLog3P of 1,3, Xylene of 3,1 and Naphtha should be around ~ 4. That means this solvent is much more polar than Naphtha and therefore will not drop the DMT when freezing. Also it will catch up muuuuch more waste stuff.

Why not just ordering some from Ebay from Germany or Netherlands?

THIS EXAMPLE is not the best Naphtha, but still very good.

Why is it not the best? It is lower boiling Naphtha than the regular one. This boils at 40-65 °C and the *Best* Naphtha for Extraction boils at 60 - 80 °C. The lower boiling will not dissolve so much DMT like the other one. You have to counter it by heating the Naphtha / DMT-Soup mixture to 40 °C before doing the separation. Dont heat only 1 of the 2, heat both to 40 °C!
But dont worry, with the 40-65°C Naphtha you will pull even purer Products! It pulls less of everything, so just do 3 pulls more and you are still left with very nice DMT Crystals.

If you can't find anything, definetly use the one from the Link instead of the solvent you posted the picture.

 

[glowing_annalog]

Thanks a lot.
I have NEWPORT lighter fluid. It works very well. But it's a bit expensive. And i can only find the 130ml bottles here where I live.
Iv been looking in every hardware and paint stores for something like VM & P naphtha but can't find it anywhere.
Most thinners I find here that have naphtha have more stuff. That xylene on the img is the solvent with less stuff inside I could find.
I'm sure I'll find something. If not I'm happy with the Newport lighter fluid. Was just hopping to find something cheaper.


Thanks a lot for that explanation.

 

[Brennendes Wasser]

Yes but what about the link I gave =)

Isn't this an option for you?

You could easily order it at Ebay. 5 L or even 10 L. This will be enough for aaaggges. And it's very cheap for it's price.

I explained it is not the *best* Naphtha, you will have to do maybe 50 % more pulls, but it will produce as nice crystals as the regular one or even better ones.

Also it is not a possible health hazard like xylene and/or methyl isobutyl ketone.

So just order it directly from this link =)



And yes V&MP Naphtha is only a special brand and this brand is only in the US (or I dont know where it was).

So also here in Germany I searched ages for the correct *Naphtha*, but nobody knew what Naphtha even is !!!!

There is always 1 special name for the gasoline mix with the boiling range of 40-65 or 60-80 °C and in Germany you can guy it as *Wundbenzin / Waschbenzin* which means *Wound gasoline / Washing gasoline*. In this case washing would be more translated to *cleaning gasoline*

This is what I gave you in the link. If you dont find something like this, just order from the link! It's already 95 % as close to the original Naphtha, so its the best you get if you dont get the 100 %.

 

[glowing_annalog]

I'm in Africa every time I order something and I don't pay for the tracking code i don't get my order delivered. Only got it onece cuz it was an envelope with spore prints.
If it's a box first il need to pay traking second they don't deliver at home I have to go to the post office and get it my self cuz I have to open it in front of the guys from customs.
And since I already have to order the rootbark I don't whant them to get used to my face.

But il find something here or in a neighbor coutry Around here. I'm sure southafrica has it.
And a bottle of Newport can do a lot. It's 130ml I do one pull wile it's freezing I can do another and for the tird pull i reuse the naphtha from the first.

Thanks.

 

[Brennendes Wasser]

Oh well the description of that one bottle is spanish, so I thought you could easily order throughout europe.

Ok then it's not that easy - but yes: You can reuse your Naphtha if you freeze precipitate it and then use it again. With the instructions of *Backwashing* with a solution of Sodium Carbonate or something similar you could even use your Naphtha forever.


But just keep this in mind:

Regular Naphtha will still hold ~ 130 mg of Spice at - 20 °C in the Freezer.

This means if you dont reduce your Naphtha, then for like 300 ml you will "loose" ~ 400 mg of Spice that will not drop out of solution. Normally one would simply reduce the volume of 300 ml to get it down to not loose that much.

BUT now if do it, you will need to buy much more new Naphtha. So I would advice do it like this:


Do not ever reduce your Naphtha (with reduce, I mean evaporate a big part of it), but just place it in the freezer directly.

THEN you will still have some hundrets of mg possibly in solution. But if you reuse this Naphtha, then you will stick it again into the next batch. And then upon freeze precipitating, the Naphtha is *already saturated* from the last extraction at - 20 °C.

This means this time and ALL NEXT TIMES you will not loose anything. Now one may say: Ok but when I use Naphtha again, that has already a few hundert mg's of Spice in it, doesn't this then reduce the maximum capacity of Spice which my Naphtha can hold, for the next extraction?

This is not the case, as hot Naphtha can hold dozens of grams per L, therefore even if there is a little Spice left in your Naphtha and you throw it on a completely new batch, it will not hinder your new extraction in any detectable amount! :thumb_up:

So basically 5 bottles of that 130 ml Naphtha may be enough until forever.

 

[glowing_annalog]

Ahhh hhehe thanks a lot for that.
I was gonna ask that in another post.

My naphtha is completely transparent and after the pulls it becomes yellow.
I wanted to ask why it dosent go back to clear after the freezing.
I thought it was impurities that got stuck there but now I know it is the magic.
Gonna save that naphta like gold.

Thanks

 

[Brennendes Wasser]

Well in my opinion the yellow stuff is something besides DMT that you normally would not want inside your Product.

So with Magic you mean that those are other active ingredients ? =)

Well at least I am more convinced that the only real active component in MHRB is DMT, so I always try to get the least amount possible of that yellow thing into my crystals and therefore dispose any yellow stuff ...

But to the original part:

Yes the Naphtha takes up more than just DMT of course and the yellow stuff is something besides DMT - but does not precipitate at -20 °C and still stays in solution.

You can use this Naphtha still like you would use new Naphtha - the solubility of DMT in hot Naphtha is reaaaallly high, so it does not really disturb a new extraction, if solvent with these yellow other components is used.

Still you could get the solvent mostly back to transparent clear by this method, or maybe not that efficient but more easily with just washing it with sodium carbonate solution.

If you think that this is indeed an active component, you could evaporate a little bit and what is left could be consumed - to get an idea if it indeed is magic or just unwanted stuff =D

 

[glowing_annalog]

I was talking about the naphtha not the the dmt pulled.
After the first pull my naphtha got yellowish. I was thinking that that was the dmt.
(Don't know why) I was thinking it was the dmt inside the naphtha that made it yellow.
So just by freeze precipitation the yellow dosent disappear?
It isn't the extra dmt stuck on the naphtha that makes it yellowish?

Always learning...

This is my first and tird pull from MHRB
I didn't take a pic from second. The tird I did a re x



roll two dice

Very little yellow final product I think..