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Salut à tous, pensez-vous que se sois faisable? Quel sera l’effet ?
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Jimjam mimosa hostilis + acacia accuminata q21q21 tek
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Hi, welcome.
Are you planning on doing a mixed extraction of Mimosa hostilis and Acacia acuminata? Our experienced acacia extractors, almost exclusively, appear to go for A/B extraction, with a defat in the acid phase.
I've not seen reports of a q21q21-style extraction being done using acacia other than A. confusa.
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Are you planning on doing a mixed extraction of Mimosa hostilis and Acacia acuminata? Our experienced acacia extractors, almost exclusively, appear to go for A/B extraction, with a defat in the acid phase.
I've not seen reports of a q21q21-style extraction being done using acacia other than A. confusa.
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[URL se dérouler="true"][/url]Bonjour, bienvenue.
Vous envisagez de faire une extraction mixte de Mimosa hostilis et d'Acacia acuminata ? Nos extracteurs d'acacia expérimentés semblent, presque exclusivement, opter pour une extraction A/B, avec un dégraissage en phase acide.
Je n'ai pas vu de rapports d'une extraction de style q21q21 effectuée en utilisant un acacia autre qu'A . confuse.
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Bonjour, bienvenue.
Vous envisagez de faire une extraction mixte de Mimosa hostilis et d'Acacia acuminata ? Nos extracteurs d'acacia expérimentés semblent, presque exclusivement, opter pour une extraction A/B, avec un dégraissage en phase acide.
Je n'ai pas vu de rapports d'une extraction de style q21q21 effectuée en utilisant un acacia autre qu'A . confusa.
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Bonjour et merci,Bonjour, bienvenue.
Vous envisagez de faire une extraction mixte de Mimosa hostilis et d'Acacia acuminata ? Nos extracteurs d'acacia expérimentés semblent, presque exclusivement, opter pour une extraction A/B, avec un dégraissage en phase acide.
Je n'ai pas vu de rapports d'une extraction de style q21q21 effectuée en utilisant un acacia autre qu'A . confusa.
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oui j'envisage une extraction combiner, jai deja realiser une extraction de cristal avec acacia accuminata avec la tek de q21q21 qui a donner 1,5g de cristal blanc et de la glue rouge doré
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Very nice! How much acuminata material did you use? This will be useful to know for the purposes of calculating a percentage yield.
How many pulls did this require? And what proportions of things like acid/vinegar, lime, water and naphtha (essence F?) did you use for the extraction? Did you defat the acidified plant material? Finally, what part of the the plant did you use - root bark, trunk bark, stem bark or phyllodes?
If it was bark that you've used, it may be wise to look into using the phyllodes ('leaves') since these can be harvested without so great a risk of harming the (acacia) tree.
I'm still not sure what point their would be to combining acuminata [bark?] with MHRB, maybe only if you had a tiny amount of one or the other left over. Keeping them separate would allow one to appreciate their individual nuances, perhaps.
How many pulls did this require? And what proportions of things like acid/vinegar, lime, water and naphtha (essence F?) did you use for the extraction? Did you defat the acidified plant material? Finally, what part of the the plant did you use - root bark, trunk bark, stem bark or phyllodes?
If it was bark that you've used, it may be wise to look into using the phyllodes ('leaves') since these can be harvested without so great a risk of harming the (acacia) tree.
I'm still not sure what point their would be to combining acuminata [bark?] with MHRB, maybe only if you had a tiny amount of one or the other left over. Keeping them separate would allow one to appreciate their individual nuances, perhaps.
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Alors tout d'abord je suis parti d'une base de 100g d'acacia accuminata /100ml de vinaigre / 100ml d'eau /150g de chaux /100ml essence C
J'ai effectuer 4 tirage selon les temps de q21q21 sur 1 semaine
Je n'ai pas effectuer de dégraissage
Il s'agit d'écorce de racine d'acacia accuminata qu'une amie m'a envoyer d'Australie, je connais deja l'intérêt des phyllodes etant donné que je cultive acacia confusa
Jai deja essayer les cristaux séparer et je trouve qu'il non pas le même effet, en combinant l'effet sera il augmenté ?
J'ai aussi remarquer que le jimjam me procure des effet beaucoup plus intense que les ccristaux alors avec les deux plantes mélanger l'effet n'en sera que plus puissant?
Interesting - and 1.5% is quite a respectable yield. It's very good to hear you've begun growing your own plants too. This makes me wonder what the alkaloid content of AC leaves might be - another thing to be looking up (the list is endless!)
How do the different extracts compare qualitatively? And have you been weighing your doses? The density of different crystals can vary widely, so in cases where doses are being estimated by eye, or even with the use of a measuring spoon, this variation could go some way towards explaining differences in subjective intensity. This would also apply in the case of jimjam/jungle spice goo - it's simply denser than fluffy white crystals, so despite it containing roughly 5% of 2-MTHBC this would remain the most parsimonious explanation. We still don't have much of an idea of the effects of this latter compound (another thing on my ToDo list…) but it would have to be remarkably active at sub-milligram quantities to be of much significance.
Another factor to consider is the possible NMT (mono-methyltryptamine) content of the acacia, along with maybe some other trace components. Our friends @acacian and @nen888 may well be able to provide additional insight on that front - as would sending a sample for analysis, for example by @Kykeon Analytics. In contrast, MHRB fluff tends to have a clean DMT profile.
There's nothing stopping you, of course, from investigating the effects of the various combinations of products you have at your disposal, but it removes control of a set of variables if you make an extract from mixed plant sources. I'd therefore advise keeping the MHRB and the acacia material separate from each other for the purposes of extraction.
One more thing - while I've enjoyed testing my French comprehension and fully appreciate the francophone perspective, it may help improve engagement with your thread from other people if you conceded to providing a English translation of your posts! We typically request that conversations on this forum are carried out in English (it also helps with search indexing).
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So first of all I started with a base of 100g of acacia accuminata / 100ml of vinegar / 100ml of water / 150g of lime / 100ml essence C
I carried out 4 draws according to the times of q21q21 over 1 week
I did not degrease
This is acacia accuminata root bark that a friend sent me from Australia, I already know the interest of phyllodes since I grow acacia confusa
I have already tried the crystals separately and I find that they do not have the same effect, by combining will the effect be increased?
I also noticed that jimjam gives me much more intense effects than the crystals so with the two plants mixed the effect will only be more powerful?
I carried out 4 draws according to the times of q21q21 over 1 week
I did not degrease
This is acacia accuminata root bark that a friend sent me from Australia, I already know the interest of phyllodes since I grow acacia confusa
I have already tried the crystals separately and I find that they do not have the same effect, by combining will the effect be increased?
I also noticed that jimjam gives me much more intense effects than the crystals so with the two plants mixed the effect will only be more powerful?
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I use a 0.000 scale for dosing
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At first glance, the Acacia Accuminata crystal is twice as large as that of Mimosa Hostilis. I plan to do the Jimjam Combine extraction on 09/17, I will post to show the result
OK, great - glad to hear it. (I'm missing the French now, maybe I should translate your replies back again 
) Measuring your doses eliminates one important variable
Do you notice a significant difference in the bulkiness or density of the different samples, or in their rates of vaporisation? And what type of device do you use to administer your material?
Are you certain that you clear the dosed amount each time, such that no left over material from a previous dose might subsequently boost the amount of the next one?
I'm just trying to think of ways in which the subjective intensity of the experience may be affected. If there's anything more you can add about how you came to notice that certain material was stronger than others it may help us get toward a better understanding of what's going on. Were there any notable qualitative differences?
I wonder how the different samples would compare if you were to make them into separate standardised solutions of e-juice. And don't forget about NMT content in the acacia, along with the possibility of getting ymu material analysed.
) Measuring your doses eliminates one important variable Do you notice a significant difference in the bulkiness or density of the different samples, or in their rates of vaporisation? And what type of device do you use to administer your material?
Are you certain that you clear the dosed amount each time, such that no left over material from a previous dose might subsequently boost the amount of the next one?
I'm just trying to think of ways in which the subjective intensity of the experience may be affected. If there's anything more you can add about how you came to notice that certain material was stronger than others it may help us get toward a better understanding of what's going on. Were there any notable qualitative differences?
I wonder how the different samples would compare if you were to make them into separate standardised solutions of e-juice. And don't forget about NMT content in the acacia, along with the possibility of getting ymu material analysed.
Oh, we posted at the same time
One more thing, did you use xylene to obtain the jimjam?
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As I said, the acacia crystal seems 2 times more important than the mimosa. I have a yocan orbit that I clean each time I use it. I also have a crack pipe with iron pellets and a ceramic stone. Vaporizing with the yocan orbit almost no longer gives me any effect despite the total vaporization of the product. I'm going to do something again with the different crystals and jimjam at my disposal with a crack pipe
I have already consumed 25 drops of jimjam at 5mg/drop, I saw my wife explode into a cube, the walls flowed with color, an intense body charge and the feeling that my body had burst into billions of individual cells and I remained in front of an enormous sacred geometry without a hole
I have already consumed 25 drops of jimjam at 5mg/drop, I saw my wife explode into a cube, the walls flowed with color, an intense body charge and the feeling that my body had burst into billions of individual cells and I remained in front of an enormous sacred geometry without a hole
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I could post some pictures of the final product of my extractions
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Oh that is interesting. But which product did you start with at first?
Also, how frequently have you been dosing? There's a phenomenon known as 'lockout' where over-frequent use leads to diminished or even zero effects.
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