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Jorkest's D-Limonene & Fumaric Acid Approach

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SWIM is checking in after a couple months haha. So SWIM never tried his iso extraction with an MAOI like he said he was going to. He decided to try a hit when he was a little drunk. Body sensation came on very quickly. SWIM thought he got a few good hits so he sat back. Almost no visuals at all but there were a bunch of nonsensical thoughts running through his head....weird stuff. SWIM looked at the pipe after wards and there was still a bunch left. This got SWIM thinking that perhaps the body sensation came on stronger than normal and he just didn't smoke enough to breakthrough.

Bout a week later SWIM tried again. This time through his big hookah that he made and hitting it through both the big hoses. This is the way that he usually smokes =) This time SWIM broke through and had a little adventure. Visuals were different though. They seemed to be less pronounced but somewhat more realistic than energy like, never the less he had a good time.

SWIM was a little bit disappointed compared with stuff he's made from naphtha. He was thinking that perhaps next time he will try acetone instead. SWIM was thinking that perhaps you have to smoke a lot more of this stuff to get the same amount of NN that you would smoke with naphtha extracted stuff. Obviously that's why the yield is so good is cause you're getting other actives. Someone should try to smoke 200mg of this stuff and let us know how it goes.
 
logos2012 said:
SWIM was a little bit disappointed compared with stuff he's made from naphtha. He was thinking that perhaps next time he will try acetone instead. SWIM was thinking that perhaps you have to smoke a lot more of this stuff to get the same amount of NN that you would smoke with naphtha extracted stuff. Obviously that's why the yield is so good is cause you're getting other actives. Someone should try to smoke 200mg of this stuff and let us know how it goes.
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That sounds like the opposite of what most people have found, with regards to the amount needed.
200mg? Good luck trying to inhale all of that...


Maybe it was the alcohol...maybe you smoked less that you thought...maybe your vaporizing was less than correct due to the alcohol...I don't know why.
But most people have needed less J-Spice than they would with pure N,N-DMT.

You may want to try that again...sober...before going for a big increase in dosage.


WS
 
If one mixed fumarates into some water and added ammonia and evapped would he be left with freebase spice, n-oxide and jungle ? or freebase spice, n-oxide, jungle and reacted ex-fumaric acid ?
perhaps if the second case is true then would it help to convert the spice to a salt form where the acid is a gas - like hcl, that way no solid residues remain.(as the base and acid are both gasses)
 
Are hcl and ammonia a gas when they react with themseles though?

Edit: Ammonia + Hcl gives ammonium chloride which is a salt... I think this may crash out of the solution before it is evapped so you can filter out the precipitates then.
 
SWIM just did an extraction on 50g bark...let it sit with the d-limo for about 8 hours...then pulled and added about 20ml of FASW...shook for an hour or two...separated and then evapped for 500mg spice fumarate...pretty excited seeing as how it was the first pull with little time to let the bark soak...

hes gonna leave it as a salt for pharma...so no converting...this will be the first time hes tried it this way..so hes pretty excited
 
performed this tek 3 times this week, on both chacruna and mimosa, I think the tek may need to be updated for chacruna, because things don't quite work the same, at least it didnt when they did it, the main thing is the number of fasw pulls was much higher, used around 300ml on just 150ml of limo (was cloudy yellow), there was a huge amount of stuff in there, overall there was over 2g of off white fumarate from 60g, hardly any of which could be freebased perhaps because it's mostly oxidised I'm not sure... the problem was that it hard to know when to stop pulling because of the fumaric, SWIM reckon's it was something like 500mg of fumarate per 100ml of fasw... also to get more accurate measurements I would want to clean off fumarate contaminants...

The mimosa extraction was different, this time the limo was a clear yellow tint, the full pulls evaporated to a solid clear layer (almost looked like there was nothing there) that scrapped up into an orange wax, it did dry out, freebased into a yellowish honey oil that quickly hardened when scrapped around a few times, this was cool because SWIM didn't expect it to dry out.... on the next pull through, it looked more like orange crystals rather than a clear waxy layer... got 1.3g of fb from 60g of mimosa but haven't tried it out yet.
 
Jorkest said:
hes gonna leave it as a salt for pharma...so no converting...this will be the first time hes tried it this way..so hes pretty excited
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That's stuff's awesome for pharmahuasca. If you like the mimosa experience that is :) which I do!

I'd be interested to try this orally without a RIMA aswell to see it it works like a cold mimosa tea. Definately will try that next time I have some available, but I imagine the dose would have to be fairly high.
 
oh boy....what a weekend

SWIM and some friends went out to a very secluded place...the three of them ate a mushroom chocolate a piece...tripped nicely for a few hours...then a another friend went out and found them..he had been smoking the spice..and he handed his rather resinated bowl to SWIM...who proceeded to smoked multiple tokes from the gooey pipe..

anyway...there was no body rush...just visuals started slowly forming in the air around him...unfolding and flowing around....one of the most pleasant experiences...then probably an hour later...the four of them went up to the cabin..and proceeded to take some pharma

doses were given out..between 150-200mg harmala alkies..and between 40-65mg dmt fumarate...added to orange juice and taken at one go..

visuals started..beautiful flowing playdough like Jimjam..very gooey...and the thought process..the head space...was absolutely amazing...it felt like the mind was cleared out of all extra thoughts..and only one thought would occur at a time...it felt like there was tons of space for his mind to use..absolutely beautiful...the one thing was that there was a quick heavy peak that then subsided after about an hour..perhaps more MAOI's were needed...or perhaps take the MAOI's 5-15 minutes before the dmt..

they finished off the night with a nitrous cracker and a few dozen charges....haha then they passed out for the night

the next day...a fire was made...wood gathered...because there was to be a little party that night..once people arrived acid was taken..and beer and wine brought out...then another four dozen charges of nitrous..which was passed around between 8 people that were there...much debauchery

anyway...

in the end...SWIM cant wait for the next time he takes this wonderful extract...its so organic feeling...less of an drug electrocution that pure dmt crystals produce...the visuals were way more fun...and the thought process was awesome..

anyway...SWIM kinda doubts that he will be freebasing much of this stuff...because its just sooo damn good as pharma!
 
Jorkest said:
that sounds wonderful..

none of SWIM's friends trust him anymore...haha well they trust him..but they all know too well the power of DMT..so nobody ever wants to try out something new:(

SWIM always feels obligated to try out stuff from techniques he comes up with..so hes gotten use to throwing caution to the wind and testing it out...but...it makes him sad that nobody else wants to experience it...its like making a beautiful sculpture that nobody wants to look at....
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I know what you mean Jorkest. None of SWIMs friends want to try DMT anymore either; they've tried it. But IMHO only just scratching the surface of what is possible in that state.
 
interesting notes from a recent extraction, SWIM split 100g of mhrb and performs 2 separate extractions using this tek, done exactly the same with 1 variation, 1 used boiled limonene with no heat bath, the other used room temp limo in a heat bath.... yeilds were similar, but what was was interesting was the color of the fumarates, the bolied limo yielded a bright orange fumarate, the other extracted a bright golden fumarate... still have to freebase and bioassay, any ideas on the color change? to throw a spanner in the works, another batch done with mhrb from a different crop yielded a brownish/dark orange fumarate... so yeah, all 3 have completely different colors, but 2 extracts were from the same mhrb.
 
Hello, quick question, and i dont mean to disrupt your convo by getting off topic : )

However im in a bit of a debacle. SWIM just got to a location to start workin on some stuff and realized that SWIM forgot to bring distilled water. SWIM was wondering for the FASW phase of this extraction proecess will it be alright to use regular water from the tap or bottled water?

Im wondering if the mineral residue of the drinking when the FASW is evaporated will be too much to be in the mix. Anyone ever smoked minerals hehe?
 
Nime said:
Hello, quick question, and i dont mean to disrupt your convo by getting off topic : )

However im in a bit of a debacle. SWIM just got to a location to start workin on some stuff and realized that SWIM forgot to bring distilled water. SWIM was wondering for the FASW phase of this extraction proecess will it be alright to use regular water from the tap or bottled water?

Im wondering if the mineral residue of the drinking when the FASW is evaporated will be too much to be in the mix. Anyone ever smoked minerals hehe?
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I've always used tap water and it's been just fine. I've got some very pure fumerate crystals using tap water at every step in this extraction.
 
Jorkest said:
lbeing789 said:
Jorkest said:
how did you use boiling d-limo?
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not boiling, hot lets say, just heated on stove.
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ok i see...SWIM hasnt tried using hot limo for extractions yet
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SWIM tried it out because he noticed the same thing with Naptha pulls (that alot of others have too), when you using hot naptha more yellow is pulled, if you use room temp it comes out more white.

Edit: you know what, I got that the wrong way around, the heat bath pulls more yellow, not the hot naptha.
 
SWIM has done many A/B extractions, including 1 limonene approach, but decided to attempt this method using the recommended STB technique.

The bark being used is over 2 years old from Shaman's Hut, a source that stopped carrying bark long ago.

In the previous A/B extract The Herbal Percolator was used for the acidic extraction. After basification + addition of limonene no emulsions formed on any of the 4 pulls.

Using Jorkest's method the first limonene pull went beautifully. The vessel was a gallon jug filled halfway up. The vessel was swirled for 5 minutes for mixing.

For the second pull the vessel was heated on a heat bath. The limonene was also heated on a heatbath. The second pull was mixed more vigorously. The vessel was rolled around fast and toppled swiftly for mixing.

The second pull, using hot limonene, did not separate. After 6 hours of a barely noticeable seperation, 40g Lye was added to force emulsion breaking. This was left to sit overnight.

Still no separation. The vessel was heated on the water bath and 200ml fresh hot limonene was added to the mixture.

After 6+ hours, still no separation. A thin purple-filled 1/8th inch limonene layer can be seen, as apposed to the half inch that was added.

Possible reasons for failure:

1. Old bark

2. Extra oily bark (possibly related to age) that preforms better with an acid extraction

3. Reaction to hot limonene being used in a STB; binding with too many oils and homogenizing into the mix.

4. Reaction to mixing technique; perhaps using only an aggressive swirl creates less emulsion.

5. Reaction to hot vessel being used.

6. Reaction to doing a STB extraction then letting the bark sit for over 24-48 hours in a basic solution. Perhaps this provided access to more oils thus inhibiting the second pull while the first was fine.

Solution: On a new batch, The Herbal Percolator will be used for an acidic extraction then after basification SWIM will continue as Jorkest describes. The vessel will be rolled + swirled gently to avoid emulsions.
 
has this fasw tek been successfully done with sodium carbonate alone as base?
swim is out of KOH, which he would normally use.
 
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