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I was wondering the same thing this morning. I don't sell anything myself but I happend to buy it from reliable sources and am happy to find it when I come to it ( for sure DIY is more rewarding and won't encourage any illegal traffic) but I think sincerely from this part of the world where I'm living (european continent) at least, that spice being not a "toy" it is less likely it would be abused so much by all kind of mental shapes.
I don't think it's a potentially common drug. Not comforting enough for most poeple looking for euphoric and relaxed feelings..
I do live in town where I know nobody using that anyway, and in my relatives a handful of dudes tried it once in their whole life (apart those working with "la purga"(aya) in a healing setting). Is there a kind of fashion over the othere side of the atlantic?
 
I have to point out that being myself a very concerned person about the privilege of entheogenic XP, I understand spice as a sacrement and is better being off market and not a marchandise. Better a give and receive energy. Nevertheless, if you're able to buy it even sporadicly, you can't blame you're sellers !!! Unless they ripped you off or are giving a halo spice doesn't need around it but that's more the way they would do their business that the action of selling it.
(Iwouldn't like to be selling anykindof stuff, that's a bitof a heavyjob iMO)
 
A few quick reasons why YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER SELL DMT FOR ANY REASON

1) DMT containing plants are well known to the US, UK, most of europe, and elsewhere in the world's governements. The more exposure they get the more they will be regulated, banned, etc...by selling spice you are endangering all DMT extractors all over the world.

2) as DMT gain popularity amount the "youths" more and more youtube video's showing people smoking spice will pop up. Look at what happened to Salvia. It's banned in many US states because of those youtube videos. By selling spice kids who would normally not be able to extract it have access to it. Some people just should not have access to spice. I can easily imagine some kid going yay I got some of this wicked space crack, let's load up a pipe while we drive to my homie's crib yo! Yes, I can imagine some idiot blasting off while driving... I really can.

3) Most people on this forum have spent a lot of time and a lot of effort to learn how to extract their own spice. We think of this molecule as something sacred. Spice has influenced a lot of people in a very positive way, myself included. We feel it is sacreligious to sell spice for money.

4) It's illegal and you'll probably end up in a heap of trouble for selling a Sch 1 chem.

For further information on how other members feel here is an 11 page thread about selling DMT and why you should NOT.

 
You touch a very point !! Alcolon...
Brr, it is so hard when restrictions are touching plants!!!

I agree with that your big time argumentation (subject is closed for me).
 
Altho, even tho it will be more illegal then it already is....we can all still have access to it like any other substance....and the smart people (like you) will know the truth still and should not care what others think unless its yourself.
I actually care what other think about psychedelic because I get pissed the fuck off when the talk all this shit and they dont even understand the firts thing about it, so I would love to educate them about what psychedelics are really for.
 
I too care.

It hurts and angers me whenever I see a story online or in a newpaper about DMT. It's almost always called "a dangerous and highly addicitve substance just like LSD"..

People are so ignorant about psycadelics in general, and it is only becuase they have not had any positive exposure to them. At this point I truly think it is better to try and keep the bad propaganda OUT of the media than to try and show all of the good points.

It's about trying not to stir things up. If kids really started to get into DMT it won't be long before moms start calling senators, and the news has a special about the "new deadly drug attacking YOUR children" "Do it for the children! BAN ALL PLANTS KIDS CAN GET HIGH OFF OF!!!!!"

*Sigh* sorry, this topic gets me upset quickly.
 
acolon_5 said:
A few quick reasons why YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER SELL DMT FOR ANY REASON

1) DMT containing plants are well known to the US, UK, most of europe, and elsewhere in the world's governements. The more exposure they get the more they will be regulated, banned, etc...by selling spice you are endangering all DMT extractors all over the world.

2) as DMT gain popularity amount the "youths" more and more youtube video's showing people smoking spice will pop up. Look at what happened to Salvia. It's banned in many US states because of those youtube videos. By selling spice kids who would normally not be able to extract it have access to it. Some people just should not have access to spice. I can easily imagine some kid going yay I got some of this wicked space crack, let's load up a pipe while we drive to my homie's crib yo! Yes, I can imagine some idiot blasting off while driving... I really can.

3) Most people on this forum have spent a lot of time and a lot of effor to learn how to extract their own spice. We think of this molecule as something sacred. Spice has influenced a lot of people in a very positive way, myself included. We feel it is sacreligious to sell spice for money.

4) It's illegal and you'll probably end up in a heap of trouble for selling a Sch 1 chem.

For further information on how other members feel here is an 11 page thread about selling DMT and why you should NOT.

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Agree 110%

Lets keep this magic on the low key, eh?. I'd be really really upset if I couldn't experience this in the future... Plus it'd cost me a fucking fortune constantly jetting back and forward to South America to jet off into hyperspace. I actually would though if it came down to it lol, thats how special it is :)
 
swims never sold spice to anyone, it just feels more rewarding just giving it to them.. Opening people up to these things and watching them have the experience and their reaction is more worth it than money i think.

I completely understand where your coming from Acolon, and I mostly agree.. But just to take the other side, i've heard some shamans sometimes sell or trade their brew which they consider sacred for goods or money, and to relative strangers. If my friends cat had a heafty amount of spice and his close well intentioned cat friends wanted to explore it more in depth as he tries to (since they could not extract it themselves)-and were intelligent users of psychedelics and completely knowledgeable and responsible individuals, then I'm sure they'd strike up some sort of reasonable exchange. Either some cats would help pay for the previous or future extraction, buy the next few bags of mother mary, exchange other psychs, or perhaps trade a small amount of money if need be. I don't see this type of selling as disrespecting the spices sacredness. Each cat may very well consider it sacred, and my friends cat may really want to share with other responsible cats for mutual love and growth that comes from its exploration, but cannot due to money issues.

A situation like this would of course only take place where dmt is legal! :)
 
UniverseCannon said:
But just to take the other side, i've heard some shamans sometimes sell or trade their brew which they consider sacred for goods or money, and to relative strangers. If my friends cat had a heafty amount of spice and his close well intentioned cat friends wanted to explore it more in depth as he tries to (since they could not extract it themselves)-and were intelligent users of psychedelics and completely knowledgeable and responsible individuals, then I'm sure they'd strike up some sort of reasonable exchange.
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What you are speaking about is the service they provide to heal using their sacred brew. It is not very different from paying a doctor to prescibe some antibotics. This is much different from standing next to the guy selling methamphetamines selling some crystal DMT. Being a currandero is they job, they have dedicated all of their life to learning about healing though plants. They SHOULD be compensated for the knowledge and materials. It's their livelyhood, AND it is 100% legal to do (or overlooked as a silly native tradition). Either way, we're talking about apples and oranges here.

As for exchanges, trades, and gifts between friends, this again is not at all what I am talking about. My issue lies with those people that gear up for a big event/festival with prepackaged baggies of their best/worst spice. I'm talking about people that are selling DMT for profit. Not a friend that asks for $20 so he can get some more mimosa, no I'm not even talking about that guy. I frequently trade spice with 2 CLOSE friends. One makes didgeridoos and over the life of our friendship we've given each other many many gifts and trades. The chance of me getting caught doing that is slim to none. I also know that my spice won't end up in the hands of underage kids. If I go and sell my spice to a friends' friend, someone I don't know, this is a problem. they could get caught and rat me out, they could re-sell it to ANYONE, they might not even be able to handle the spice and have a very bad experience.

I guess what I'm really trying to get across to everyone is that there are so many reasons why you shouldn't sell spice. Legal reasons, safety reasons, moral and spiritual reasons, and protection of our plants.

Teach someone to extract instead. It is a much better gift than the spice itself. One can get an ounce of mimosa for very little money. A quick trip to the hardware store + grocery store will get you everything else a person needs to extract. Teaching someone to extract is a more personal and rewarding thing to do than even gifting spice. If someone doesn't have the time or interest to extract spice, to me, they are not ready to experience spice. That's kind of a guidline I go by.
 
From my short time at the Nexus I have found that most users are extremely worried and scared of DMT being put in the media eye and possibly being compared to hard drugs such as crack. Most users do not want to see the reputation of DMT ruined, as this is exactly what happened to LSD.

acolon_5 said:
DMT containing plants are well known to the US, UK, most of europe, and elsewhere in the world's governements. The more exposure they get the more they will be regulated, banned, etc...by selling spice you are endangering all DMT extractors all over the world.
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I have agreed 100% with everything you have posted so far acolon_5. However I fail to see how governments could even attempt to ban all DMT containing plants. The list of them are endless: _DMT Containing Plants_. Most people have easy access to a high yielding DMT plant (whether brought or harvested locally), such as MHRB. If the government banned MHRB, extractors and suppliers would be very quick to move to another DMT containing plant. There will always be an alternative. Another reason is that many DMT containing plants are native to the country, so the banning of all of these plants would involve the destruction of lots of plant species in a country. This is something that not a lot of countries would be willing to do.

Me personally I am most worried by the reputation that DMT might attain. There are a few of my friends that know of my DMT use and are fine with it. However I do not believe they will maintain this opinion if they were to watch a news article portraying DMT to be dangerous and hazardous drug. I do not want my use of DMT to come into question. :cry:

It's very interesting to see people opinions upon this topic.
 
acolon_5 said:
UniverseCannon said:
But just to take the other side, i've heard some shamans sometimes sell or trade their brew which they consider sacred for goods or money, and to relative strangers. If my friends cat had a heafty amount of spice and his close well intentioned cat friends wanted to explore it more in depth as he tries to (since they could not extract it themselves)-and were intelligent users of psychedelics and completely knowledgeable and responsible individuals, then I'm sure they'd strike up some sort of reasonable exchange.
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What you are speaking about is the service they provide to heal using their sacred brew. It is not very different from paying a doctor to prescibe some antibotics. This is much different from standing next to the guy selling methamphetamines selling some crystal DMT. Being a currandero is they job, they have dedicated all of their life to learning about healing though plants. They SHOULD be compensated for the knowledge and materials. It's their livelyhood, AND it is 100% legal to do (or overlooked as a silly native tradition). Either way, we're talking about apples and oranges here.

As for exchanges, trades, and gifts between friends, this again is not at all what I am talking about. My issue lies with those people that gear up for a big event/festival with prepackaged baggies of their best/worst spice. I'm talking about people that are selling DMT for profit. Not a friend that asks for $20 so he can get some more mimosa, no I'm not even talking about that guy. I frequently trade spice with 2 CLOSE friends. One makes didgeridoos and over the life of our friendship we've given each other many many gifts and trades. The chance of me getting caught doing that is slim to none. I also know that my spice won't end up in the hands of underage kids. If I go and sell my spice to a friends' friend, someone I don't know, this is a problem. they could get caught and rat me out, they could re-sell it to ANYONE, they might not even be able to handle the spice and have a very bad experience.

I guess what I'm really trying to get across to everyone is that there are so many reasons why you shouldn't sell spice. Legal reasons, safety reasons, moral and spiritual reasons, and protection of our plants.

Teach someone to extract instead. It is a much better gift than the spice itself. One can get an ounce of mimosa for very little money. A quick trip to the hardware store + grocery store will get you everything else a person needs to extract. Teaching someone to extract is a more personal and rewarding thing to do than even gifting spice. If someone doesn't have the time or interest to extract spice, to me, they are not ready to experience spice. That's kind of a guidline I go by.
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Yea i know how shamanism works (at least that aspect..navigating the tryptamine dimensions is another story :shock:) i was just stating that example to show the difference between purely selling it for profit and for the mutual benefit between two intelligent psychonauts. I completely agree with what your saying.

I don't think its always true that people without the time to extract spice are not ready to experience it. I know many who can handle and use dmt experiences for personal growth well but because of school, lack of money (and a good freezer 😉) they cannot extract it themselves..i was one of them until recently

Recently I was actually going to point a distant friend in the direction of a good tek since he'd tried it somewhere once, had experience with shrooms.. seemed genuine.. and wanted to make some. I later learned he didn't really know much about these things or what he was getting into so i pointed to a few good books instead.
 
State of the Mind said:
From my short time at the Nexus I have found that most users are extremely worried and scared of DMT being put in the media eye and possibly being compared to hard drugs such as crack. Most users do not want to see the reputation of DMT ruined, as this is exactly what happened to LSD.

acolon_5 said:
DMT containing plants are well known to the US, UK, most of europe, and elsewhere in the world's governements. The more exposure they get the more they will be regulated, banned, etc...by selling spice you are endangering all DMT extractors all over the world.
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I have agreed 100% with everything you have posted so far acolon_5. However I fail to see how governments could even attempt to ban all DMT containing plants. The list of them are endless: _DMT Containing Plants_. Most people have easy access to a high yielding DMT plant (whether brought or harvested locally), such as MHRB. If the government banned MHRB, extractors and suppliers would be very quick to move to another DMT containing plant. There will always be an alternative. Another reason is that many DMT containing plants are native to the country, so the banning of all of these plants would involve the destruction of lots of plant species in a country. This is something that not a lot of countries would be willing to do.

Me personally I am most worried by the reputation that DMT might attain. There are a few of my friends that know of my DMT use and are fine with it. However I do not believe they will maintain this opinion if they were to watch a news article portraying DMT to be dangerous and hazardous drug. I do not want my use of DMT to come into question. :cry:

It's very interesting to see people opinions upon this topic.
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Mimosa would be the first to go I fear....and many of the plants that contain DMT have a very dirty alkaloid profile new teks will have to be developed to remove toxic alkaloids. Others have such a small quantity that massive amounts of plant material will be needed...others like the Illinois Bundleflower may be a good alternative, but again, with much smaller yields.

Yes, it will still be possible to get our beloved DMT if mimosa was banned for import into the US, it will just cause many aheadache! I personally am planning on planting quite a bit of bundleflower so that I can harvest my own plants, but even if I planted them right this instant I'm still going to be waiting 1-3 years before alkaloid levels are high enough to even bother extracting.

But what if they ban Chacruna and Chaliponga? Then those of us that ahear to the old ways of brewing aya will be in trouble. And what if Caapi was bunched up with all those banned plants...it could easily happen, it's illegal in France, and quasi-illegal in Cananda....what then?

Selling spice exposes it to the media and poliece, putting it more and more on their radar.

As for extraction or nothing, yeah, that was a very generic statment. There ARE people who can handle spice but don't have the interest in extracting it. sure. I guess what I was trying to say is that people who invest a bit of time and effort into the Spice are showing me that they are responsible enough to handle the Spice.
 
There are innumerable reasons not to sell DMT. Here is just one:

If you sell it, you'll call attention to yourself, thereby increasing the odds that the authorities will catch you. If you get caught making it, you'll go to jail for years, since it would be considered manufacturing DMT - even if your making less than 1 gram.
 
But what if they ban Chacruna and Chaliponga? Then those of us that ahear to the old ways of brewing aya will be in trouble. And what if Caapi was bunched up with all those banned plants.
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wasn't there a high court ruling several years ago, involving the native american church or another organization in new mexico. the authorities took their christmas sarament (ayahuasca tea) but the judge ruled in their favor, and returned it?? so ayahuasca (even though it contains a sch 1 drug), is legal. i think this is when 'they' realized that that if they banned caapi and chachruna, they would have to ban half of the entire ecosystem for traces of dmt. because as the dea sees it like cannabis "any ammount of detectable thc is illegal" this is thier stance on hemp, and it remains illegal to grow.

selling something like spice is just bad juju. but i am not afraid that the authorities will start banning mimosa. i mean, wouldnt there sprout up a trade in acacia with australia? there are just too many species with higher levels. that being said, nobody smokes tree bark, and this is the difference with salvia. salvia is potent 'as is' no extraction required...easy prey.
 
Mimosa going away scares the hell out of me...I have tried various times to extract from wild phalaris picked at all different times and locations locally and never got something I was fully satisfied with..chaliponga is ok but mimosa I like more..chacruna is soo damn$$..

I got some baby bundleflowers going now just in case...

And yes caapi is sort of a grey area in canada now..you can still get easily through vendors and a couple shops in my area sell it..and I know that people are running ceremonies here..but still..not sure but I think it's harmine they scheduled..one of them anyway.
 
I have had this arguement with a few people I met in my area who thinks it's so dope becasue they could make all this money from selling DMT...people are stupid though and dont think. I have met dealers at raves selling spice and when I got to talking to them about it, they had never even broken through..one guy had only tried it once becasue he didnt want to waste his "product" that he was sopposed to sell for his chemist..honestly I have never met anyone that sold DMT that I respected as a real psychonaut..Tha last person I knew baout selling DMT was my friends roommate and she was doing it to support her meth habit..she was always trying to sell me her DMT for $300 a gram..every time I had to remind her that I extract my own gram for like $10..it's annoying.

It friggin pisses me off soo much. Why would you want to make something like that about profit anyway?..
 
personally, I believe that spice requires dedication, and buying it on a whim makes it less personal, and too easy. Making it yourself brings you a better feeling, you know you can trust it's purity, and requires more work, which shows you are dedicated and prepared for any mental consequences that may occur. Not selling it, by extension, shows that you promote these or whatever other ideals you have related to it. I would not sell spice, but I would make it to share with close friends who I felt were adequate psychonauts. I have to say though, if they were not "qualified" to try the spice, I'd always be delighted to lead them into their trip to hyperspace.
 
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