Ketamine prior to space travel

[Hashketchum]

So last night I had the chance do a small amount of K prior to doing a small blast off.
Honestly it took away thise preflight jitters that I get the few minutes prior to hitting the dmt. It diddnt take away from the experience whatsoever, if anything it relaxed me so I could enjoy it more.
Gonna work on a experience report later today, but what is everyones opinion on this combo?

 

[Mindlusion]

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[Hashketchum]

And your opinion on it taking away from the experience?

 

[Infectedlsd]

If you can do sober, more power to you. Mxe helps me feel good. I always suddenly feel the "calling" after a dose of mxe. And have wonderful adventures.

 

[Mindlusion]

ND sums it up pretty well.

The thought of combining dissociative anesthetics and psychedelics seems counter-intuitive to me.

Psychedelics open you up, breaking down the walls between you and the rest of the Universe. DAs do the opposite, they close you off and remove you from reality. K can be very compelling, but I don't feel like there's anything 'real' there.
Same is true from PCP and DXM, imo.

Blessings
~ND

I lived for this combo, not just K and DMT, all sorts of dissociatives and tryptamines. And it was fun (at first). It took away the fear, allowed me to use it over and over and over and over again.

Sometimes when things seem too good to be true, its because they are.

It was fun in short term, but the experience was lacking something vital, it always felt so close but just out of grasp, it became an obsession to try to find it. In the long-term it eats away at your soul and leaves you empty.

 

[Hashketchum]

If you can do sober, more power to you. Mxe helps me feel good. I always suddenly feel the "calling" after a dose of mxe. And have wonderful adventures.

Ive dont it sober numerous times, I jist found it nice being more relaxed, I was really able to sit back and take in the entire experience.



Also mindlusion ill definitley keep that in mind. Ita not something that I plan on doing everytime before I blast off, but if Im already doing some K and its that time to blast off I certainly wouldnt stray away.

 

[Infectedlsd]

I don't know about mixing K in with various psychedelics. But mixing mxe and dmt. Purely because mxe's relaxing effect it opens me up to DMT's tremendous lifeforce. And that puts the fear and stimulation right back into full gear. There's no more relaxing after that.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Ha, I mistakenly assumed this would be a thread about actual space travel and psychedelics...

There was an online rumour (which turned out to be false) that NASA was researching cannabis for extended space travel.

I thought it was a good idea, I mean if your going to be stuck in a small space for an extended period of time, which also involves long periods of being unable to move, I could see cannabis consumption as being an aide to sanity...

It's sad that it was false, I think nasa could benefit from psychoactives in many ways, it's definantly a piece of the tool kit of humanity which NASA has, as far as I know, ignored.

As far as drug combinations, I feel they can be amazing (if done safely and responsibly), I also feel there should be some intention behind the combination, for example: 2-methyl-N,N-Dimethyletryptamine appears to be a tactile enhancing agent, but also appears to be fairly inactive otherwise*, so, perhaps this compound could be combined with something like 5,6-methylenedioxy-2-aminoindane or 3,4-methylenedioxy-pyrovalerone, in an attempt to enhance the tactile stimulation of these compounds (which have entactogenic properties, but still seem to fall short from the archetypal entactogens such as 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methyl-amphetamine)

*

(with 90 mg, orally) "The entire body was becoming activated (in a good way) but not much going on in the head. I am mentally clear but with the entire touch system a bit more activated than I would choose. This peaked at 3 hours, and was gone in another 3 hours. Everything is tactile."

Again, education is key, it's important to understand pharmacology, drug interactions, and any potential risks involved. I think intention is important as well.

I think 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methyl-phenethylamine may serve well as a potentiating agent for various psychedelic compounds. shulgin called the compound a "pharmacological tofu" in that it enhances other psychedelic compounds, without adding much of its own "flavor" to the experience...

As far as dissociative anesthetics, such as 2-(2-chlorophenyl)-2-(methylamino)-cyclohexanone (ketamine) or 1-(1-phenylcyclohexyl)piperidine (PCP), it's harder for me to speak about these compounds as I have very little experience with them, and only have interest in them from a research standpoint (I have no interest in actually consuming these compounds).



-eg

 

[syberdelic]

I actually might try this someday. I find that the anxiety from DMT is one of the worst qualities. I find standard anti-anxiety meds like Xanax in any reasonable dose puts me in a drunken stupor and wipes my memory. I can relax and still be lucid on Ketamine. Maybe this combination could help me get more out of the DMT experience.

 

[Infectedlsd]

@E-G, Very very interesting. I looked up some of those compounds and a whole world opened up. And I think something like 2-M-dmt and ketamine make for interesting research.

I did so too for a second. Aren't we disappointed?

Ha, I mistakenly assumed this would be a thread about actual space travel and psychedelics...

Maybe I could try humor you. And treat this thread as such just for a second. I think that Ketamine is one of those drugs that you have to stay away from heavy machinery. And I think a spacecraft fits the mark for heavy machinery. so I don't think Ketamine would be particularly very useful in use of space travel. Maybe unless you are already mid-crash into a blackhole and you want to kind of ease the pain of finding out if einstein's relativity theory really does stretch you're body across all space and time. Okay, maybe I took this one a little too far. Let's get back on topic.

 

[Infectedlsd]

I actually might try this someday. I find that the anxiety from DMT is one of the worst qualities. I find standard anti-anxiety meds like Xanax in any reasonable dose puts me in a drunken stupor and wipes my memory. I can relax and still be lucid on Ketamine. Maybe this combination could help me get more out of the DMT experience.

In my life. What I think dissociates do. I have used Ketamine once or twice. A lot of mxe. And quite some 3-meo-pcp in low doses.
They seem to shut off all distracting thoughts and intentions that are anxiety-provoking. I think proper "vispassana-like meditation" and basically shutting down internal dialoge to let in the real intentions is good enough to initiate the same or very similar single-pointedness and silent energy and a proper pre-flight mindset. I have rarely used ketamine with actual intention to heal. Not that I particularly liked it at all but it is simply too seductive simply to steer away from it's sedating allure. But in the hands of a good doctor. I bet it is a very powerful agent.

 

[Legarto Rey]

IUPAC nomenclature of organic compounds is real nifty. How it aids colloquial dialogue re psychedelic experiences by the average schmo, not so obvious.

Peace

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

I actually might try this someday. I find that the anxiety from DMT is one of the worst qualities. I find standard anti-anxiety meds like Xanax in any reasonable dose puts me in a drunken stupor and wipes my memory. I can relax and still be lucid on Ketamine. Maybe this combination could help me get more out of the DMT experience.

I feel the fear is essential.

...This is explained in detail in the below thread.

the fear legitimizes the flash - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

"The fear legitimizes the flash"

-eg

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

IUPAC nomenclature of organic compounds is real nifty. How it aids colloquial dialogue re psychedelic experiences by the average schmo, not so obvious.

Peace

I know it seems pretentious, but that's how I refer to all of my molecules, I can't stand codes or "street" names.

I can actually see the structure of the molecule when I say it's name, for example:

"Phenethylamine"
Phen = benzene ring (ph-)
Ethyl = two carbon side chain (ch2-ch2)
Amine = amine grouping at the end of the two carbon ethyl side chain (NH2)

So, when I say "phenethylamine" I can picture the benzene ring with the ethylamine side chain (Ph-ch2-ch2-NH2)

Then when you say 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methyl-phenethylamine I can picture the methoxy groupings at carbon atoms 2 and 5, as well as the methyl grouping at carbon 4.

So I would rather say "2,5-dimethoxy-4-methyl-phenethylamine" (which describes the physical molecule) instead of "2C-D" which is cryptic.

(Though I guess you could say that since "2C" stands for "two carbon" referring to the ethyl side chain and the following letter describes the substitution at position 4, (so it's a "B" for bromine, a "C" for chlorine, and so on...) that the code does describe the molecule, but this is a rare case, most molecules receives names like "RU-28306"
...and even in the cased of 2C-D the "D" is referring to "DOM", which is the amphetamine homologue of 2C-D, so it's the "two carbon DOM homologue" or 2C-D", rather than calling the compound "2C-M" to refer to the methyl grouping at 4...so I dislike codes. )


Regardless, I prefer the nomenclature which describes the physical molecule.

-eg

 

[Hashketchum]

I actually might try this someday. I find that the anxiety from DMT is one of the worst qualities. I find standard anti-anxiety meds like Xanax in any reasonable dose puts me in a drunken stupor and wipes my memory. I can relax and still be lucid on Ketamine. Maybe this combination could help me get more out of the DMT experience.

I feel the fear is essential.

...This is explained in detail in the below thread.

the fear legitimizes the flash - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

"The fear legitimizes the flash"

-eg

So after two more attempts with small amounts of ketamine prior to lift off and I have to agree with you. I was still able to acheive a breakthrough but I also felt a loss of that magic feeling I usually get, soretive signifying Ive been ripped from my reality to another. Thebexperience was still enjoyable, but I dont think that Ill be intentionally using it prior to a blast off anymore.