Kilo Extraction pictures

[blackdust]

Hello,

I have only ran 4 extractions before this one. I decided to run a whole kilo of powdered ACRB. Did 4 acid boils at 2 hours each. Reduced the boils to 3/4 gallon. Added in 1 lb of lye. Used about 300 ml of naptha for 5 pulls.

Here is pictures of the 36 hour room temp precipitation.

 

[null24]

Is the color off on those pics? It looks green. Kinda blurry too.

Doesn't look that that great of a yield for that much bark, ten grams or so, and you'd lose a lot to are-x. Do you have a weight?

 

[blackdust]

I will get some weights after a few days. I have the remaining naptha is the freezer to drop the rest of the suspended dmt. I know I did not do this extraction perfectly but this is the best I have had yet (or so looks so). I will vape some in the AM and let you know how the spice is.

I also saved my rootbark in case I messed up the extraction to much. I'm sure there is still dmt that can be extracted from the containers I have.

 

[DeeMenTalist]

Looks like harmala extract.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

That is s very strange looking extract. Looks like a manske on harmala alks.

I'll try not to speculate too much, but I'd say that there is something strange about that extract. Maybe cleaning it up would help.

 

[blackdust]

i have more pictures if that helps?

 

[NotTwo]

Great avatar, blackdust! Who's the painter?

My experience of doing anything with ACRB is red, red and more red - like a good burgundy

If you've crystalized at room temperature normally they will come out like little ferns, lots of little angular plates joined at the base. These look a bit more like needles in candyfloss, manske style. Did you sort of crush them all together?

I still have a small amount from my first ever ACRB extraction that have a definite red hue - probably poor extraction technique in those days. I'm sure I'd get them to turn out white now :d

 

[1ce]

Dat mess

Doesn't look right to me either. IME extraction goes from crimson read to black after adding base.

Your pictures look like nothing more than goop slopped up all over the place, I don't understand what you are trying to show :s

 

[blackdust]

Something went wrong indeed. The material was not very active.
I'm going to go ahead and run several more pulls from all the jugs and then re-x everything.

 

[Orion]

I would think a mini a/b would be more appropriate, I think a simple re-x wouldn't be thorough enough. Once you have your final yield weight you can say for sure if the extraction was a success, pictures can be quite deceiving.

 

[blackdust]

Hello Orion,

Could you please give me a step by step on how to do the mini A/B. Any other information to help me recover as much as possible would be more than helpful.

Thank you,
Blackdust

 

[Firemetal420]

It seems like you really need to stop and do more reading... make sure you know everything about what you are trying to accomplish before you attempt it. Safety is not something to take lightly and what you are showing here does not look safe in my opinion.

As for the mini ab, read through earthwalkers thread "acrb tek 100g newbie friendly" it is the thread directly below this at the moment and it will explain everything you need. Be safe, and good luck

 

[blackdust]

Hello Firemetal420,

Thank you for pointing me out to earthwalkers thread for reference on a mini A/B. I really thought before going into this extraction that I knew what I was doing. I have ran Lazy Man's STB method on MHRB before. I have also ran Cybs hybrid tek, twice before with ACRB.

What I am trying to figure out is what I did wrong. Here is how my extraction went:

4 separate, 2 hour boils with my powdered ACRB using a 3:1 ratio of water to white vinegar. I had a separate pan for collecting each acid boil (leaving behind the powdered ACRB). I then transferred the acid boils to the HDPE 5 vinegar bottle and proceeded to slowly add 1 lb of lye (done outside) and mixed. I then did 5 separate pulls of about 60 ml each. Each pull was shaken 7 times for 30 seconds and was allowed to sit for 5 min after each shaking. I then collected the saturated naphtha in a mason jar that was allowed to sit at room temp for 36 hours.

After the 36 hour room precipitation, the jar collected some brown goop along with crystals. I then shook the jar and filtered through a coffee filter and got the yellow/white/brown crystals. The filtered naphtha was then put into the freezer for 24 hours.

After the 24 hours in the freezer I then filtered the naphtha again and got all brown goo. The brown goo looks like the same goo that was original at the bottom of my room participation jar.

After this experience, I would agree that I need to do some more reading. I need to try and figure out what when wrong. I also need to figure out what I can still do with what I have.

 

[Firemetal420]

My recommendations would be to simply do research until you feel comfortable and then do more. Also hdpe is fine for use with a base but doesn't do as well for solvents.
Your extraction vessel is also very wide for doing pulls of that size and that will make pulling difficult. Two pieces of equipment that make my life easier are a 2000ml volumetric flask with a ground glass stopper and a glass syringe with 1/8" ptfe tubing. Of course wearing chemical resistant gloves and goggles (safety first!)

Another thing I would recommend is to do 100 - 200g extractions which seem to get much better yields ime and from what I've read. Plus if you break up your kilo into 6 or more extractions and mess one up then it's not such a big loss and you can then troubleshoot the problem.

The Tek I have had the most AMAZING results with is Cyb's tek which Earthwalker added the mini ab for use with ACRB. The nice thing with that is you don't have to do any acid boils which are a pain and you are already using powdered bark so it would be convenient

 

[blackdust]

Hello Firemetal420,

Thank you for helping! I am doing much reading and will update this thread with more pictures in a few days after I do some more work/reading.

I believe that using the powdered bark and doing heated pulls caused my issue. As mentioned above, a mini A/B is a good way to solve my problem.

My Solvent is Brown/Dark, what to do ?

It happens for some people that after mixing the solvent with the mimosa solution, the naphtha picks up a lot of color and when the layers are separated, there is no emulsion but the naphtha is very dark, brown/burgundy. The exact reasons for this are still unknown, but it seems to happen mostly with STB extractions, powdered bark and heated pulls. It may be that there are microscopic suspended particles of the mimosa/black liquid which for some reason refuse to settle, but nobody yet knows for sure.

Considering this is not an emulsion issue (if so, it can be solved as stated here), this issue can be solved by:

1- Wait a few hours and see if the color settles and the solvent layer gets clearer.

2- Separate the pull as you would normally, and do a sodium carbonate wash (explanation also here in the FAQ). If the wash isnt sufficient to get the dark away, then :

3- Do a 'mini A/B' (mixing the separated dark solvent with vinegar 3x, separating the vinegar and discarding the solvent. Then basify the vinegar by adding lye, and pull with fresh solvent)
FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

I would like to thank everybody for pointing out that the product does not look right and for pointing me in the direction for correcting the issue.

Thank you,
Blackdust

 

[NotTwo]

Hey and my question from before blackdust

Love your avatar. Who painted it?

 

[blackdust]

Hello NotTwo,

I am not sure who painted the picture. I found this photo over 6 years ago and first used it on my Shroomery account. I'm pretty good at growing shrooms. :lol: If you want any advice for growing cubes than I can be of help.

Blackdust

 

[FLeP]

I've gotten brown goop from ACRB. This was the result of using a low quality naphtha. Even after a mini-A/B I was left with fairly active brown groop. I believe it was due to xylene content in my naphtha.

 

[NotTwo]

I'm pretty good at growing shrooms. :lol: If you want any advice for growing cubes than I can be of help.

Might take you up on that one day. They look really impressive :d

 

[mitosis]

Important note, the low yields from ACRB versus MHRB are significantly higher in fatty or waxy content, so expect this to be a much more difficult material to obtain a large quantity of pure product from, requiring recrystallization procedures. (Not that you shouldn't recrystallize and purify all your extracts to begin with)

In your case,
I'd dissolve the above pictured substance in a half-pint of warm solvent and vacuum filter through buchner funnel and paper, first saturating the filter paper with just enough warm naptha for it to stick flush against the funnel and create a seal (always do this with a bit of fresh solvent of whatever you are about to filter) and rinse the paper with fresh warm solvent afterward

For the future,
I noticed you said you used less than half a liter of non-polar solvent and didn't mention heating it.
I'd use closer to 750mL naptha or approximately 1/5th the total volume of both solvents (757mL of 3785.41mL = 1 gallon). when doing pulls, first soak your entire extraction vessel in steaming hot water for at least 30min to an hour, mixing vessel contents and replacing hot water periodically as needed. Siphon off the organic layer while it is still warm only - if the vessel must be removed from hot water bath for layer separation do so quickly as the solubility of alkaloids in the organic solvent lowers as the temperature drops so try to allow very little time to cool before it is separated.

Also when recrystallizing, precipitate the fat...
You can also create a supersaturated solution of the extract in a minimal amount of solvent in a very small vessel and run very hot water on the outside of the vessel and shake to dissolve the freebase in the small volume of solvent. Run cold water on the outside of the vessel this should cause a dark goo to settle at the bottom corner of vessel that you can pipette away from the solution before reheating and beginning crystal formation. This can be done repeatedly until no more good results as the volume of solvent decreases with evaporation.
!!This dark goo is still very active because it is mixed with alkaloids and should be saved for further separation !!