It's getting about time to do another extraction. My first experiences were with a few different styles of A/B techs and I added and subtracted from each one to come up with a method that I'm comfortable with. I did 500g worth of 50g and 100g extractions. This time I was wondering if it was feasible or practical to extract all 500g of bark at once? If so what kind of containers should I use to fit that volume of materials if I just increase the ratio of mix-ins 1:1? I've spent many, many hours tumbling wine bottles and sitting in front of a hot plate I'd like to just be done with the batch in one shot.
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Yeah its def feasible. Though maybe you want to first increase to 300g instead of 500g. Its already plenty to work with but will make it a bit more manageable volume liquid to deal with, etc.
You can probably buy a large glass container in hardware store or chinese dollar stores and that should have decent volume. Its likely that the top will be of plastic, in that case I recommend stirring the layers with a (non varnished) wood or stainless steel object (dont forget the gloves and goggles), instead of closing the container with the lid of unknown chemical resistance and turning upside down or shaking or whatever.
Regarding the glass itself, just be careful and add lye slowly while mixing it in so as to avoid sudden temperature changes and glass breaking. Also avoid storing concentrated lye solutions in that glass, do the extraction and once you finish you can send glass to recycle. Reusing it can also be fine but in case its bad quality glass, it might be more at risk of being etched with prolonged lye exposure and eventually breaking.
Just keep ratios the same and you can calculate volumes/amounts easily, you should be fine.
Lastly, as you know, more DMT means more responsibility
I'm sure you already have this in mind but please never sell it and if you share it with others, only do it to people who are aware of what they are getting into as much as possible, link them to the Health and Safety section and the Nexus in general, etc Be well!
You can probably buy a large glass container in hardware store or chinese dollar stores and that should have decent volume. Its likely that the top will be of plastic, in that case I recommend stirring the layers with a (non varnished) wood or stainless steel object (dont forget the gloves and goggles), instead of closing the container with the lid of unknown chemical resistance and turning upside down or shaking or whatever.
Regarding the glass itself, just be careful and add lye slowly while mixing it in so as to avoid sudden temperature changes and glass breaking. Also avoid storing concentrated lye solutions in that glass, do the extraction and once you finish you can send glass to recycle. Reusing it can also be fine but in case its bad quality glass, it might be more at risk of being etched with prolonged lye exposure and eventually breaking.
Just keep ratios the same and you can calculate volumes/amounts easily, you should be fine.
Lastly, as you know, more DMT means more responsibility
I'm sure you already have this in mind but please never sell it and if you share it with others, only do it to people who are aware of what they are getting into as much as possible, link them to the Health and Safety section and the Nexus in general, etc Be well!
Entheogenerator
Homo discens
My advice would be to go the A/B route, and simply reduce the solution to a more manageable volume after the acid simmers.
When I first learned to extract, I was using STB teks and mason jars. This requires a pretty large volume of solution for a relatively small amount of bark (about 50g bark per 1q mason jar, IIRC). Switching to A/B allowed me to extract several hundred grams of rootbark in a singe 1L (or probably even smaller) vessel. I sure does save a lot of time and effort.
When I first learned to extract, I was using STB teks and mason jars. This requires a pretty large volume of solution for a relatively small amount of bark (about 50g bark per 1q mason jar, IIRC). Switching to A/B allowed me to extract several hundred grams of rootbark in a singe 1L (or probably even smaller) vessel. I sure does save a lot of time and effort.
For my first extraction, I did an A/B with a kilogram of powdered MHRB. I used a 10L crockpot for the acid boils. Then combined the boils and reduced to ~3L. I put that in a distilled water 5L PEHD bottle for the shaking. I did three 300 ml naphtha pulls (I should have tried another pull, see if anything was left...but I forgot).
Everything went well but the chemical reactions can be quite violent... use caution.
(I used the DMT handbook extraction guide)
Everything went well but the chemical reactions can be quite violent... use caution.
(I used the DMT handbook extraction guide)
DreaMTripper
Rising Star
You could also use ethanol in the solution to increase the lysing and overall efficiency of the extraction.
The reduction of liquid will also be quicker.
3 parts acidic water @ pH4 one part ethanol has been mentioned as a good ratio to use.
The reduction of liquid will also be quicker.
3 parts acidic water @ pH4 one part ethanol has been mentioned as a good ratio to use.
Why, . . . what is the intention behind wanting to do a large extraction? It seems like a big increase of risk to do large extractions to me. . . Larger amounts of acid, base, solvent, etc. Even with so called food safe, dry or hippie teks, that is still a lot of materials to be working with.
Finally, if anything goes catastrophically wrong, such as breaking your extraction vessel, . . . you have more bark on hand to try again.
Finally, if anything goes catastrophically wrong, such as breaking your extraction vessel, . . . you have more bark on hand to try again.
I have no intention of selling it. At first I was just going to let my friends try it but have since changed my mind. I've only let two friends with moderate psychedelic experience try it and one loved it. The other doesn't know if he'll ever try it again. The main reason I want to do a larger extraction is just time. I lost count of the hours I've spent tumbling bottles and drawing naptha.
Im interested in doing an a/b. I never have but I think I'm familiar enough with the process and end goal to switch over from stb. The one thing I'm unclear about is the straining. Can in just use a mesh strainer? I wouldn't imagine it being a big deal if a few small particles got into the reduced boil.
Im interested in doing an a/b. I never have but I think I'm familiar enough with the process and end goal to switch over from stb. The one thing I'm unclear about is the straining. Can in just use a mesh strainer? I wouldn't imagine it being a big deal if a few small particles got into the reduced boil.
DreaMTripper
Rising Star
An old T-shirt is a good way using rubber gloves to squeeze it through.
darklordsson
Rising Star
Most i would do at once from recent exp is 250g. 500 is jus too much at once, if 500's the magic numb your looking at divide it by two, it is easyier to work with and yeh, u screw up u have another 250 grams to play with. I wouldnt do large scail till i can juggle all them chems with my eyes closed like a well trained bar tender. But for now 250 is my sweet spot for ext.
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Peace
Entheogenerator
Homo discens
This is what I have always done. Small particles are not a big deal but I still like to let the sediment settle, pour off the aqueous solution, and add the particles back into my next acidic simmer.DreaMTripper said:
I'm feeling adventurous so I am going to try an A/B method. I'm also interested in trying to make changa. Feeling adventurous, I'm going to base my decision off the opinions of people in this thread, should I try making changa or just keep my crystalline goo?
Entheogenerator
Homo discens
If you do end up with goo, enhanced leaf/changa makes it much easier to store. But personally, I just kept the results from the one time that I ended up with a gooey DMT/NMT mixture in a container with a wide opening. It really just boils down to personal preference.luminance said:
As someone who has tried Freebase after exclusively using Changa, I can say I will never personally use freebase Deem again. I strongly recommend you try it at least once. It's super easy just use acetone and B. Caapi in a small teacup or something. I also add blue lotus for an uplifting experience every time.
Entheogenerator
Homo discens
I agree, try it at least once and figure out what your own preference is. I know of many members who tried changa once and never looked back. Personally I would rather vape purified harmalas and DMT alone than smoke changa, as I prefer to avoid inhaling the smoke of burning plant matter.
Just do some experimenting and figure out what best suits your needs.
Just do some experimenting and figure out what best suits your needs.
steppa said:As someone who has tried Changa after exclusively using Freebase, I can say I will probably never personally use freebase Deem again.
Steppa, can you tell me exactly why? What was it for you, specifically, about changa that made you want to leave FB behind?
Thx ;P
Earthwalker
Rising Star
Adjhart said:steppa said:As someone who has tried Changa after exclusively using Freebase, I can say I will probably never personally use freebase Deem again.
Steppa, can you tell me exactly why? What was it for you, specifically, about changa that made you want to leave FB behind?
Thx ;P
I can personally attestify to changa even enhanced leaf is the best invention since sliced bread , no 1 last 10-25 mins , easy to handle , smoke it outta a bong or joint , do you're self a favor and give it a whirl !!
darklordsson
Rising Star
I concoure...
Changa is the bomba, had my most revolutinized trip off changa it was intense, an only one hit to break through, plus u can control the ratio of dmt to leaf, its not bad, its good :thumb_up:
Changa is the bomba, had my most revolutinized trip off changa it was intense, an only one hit to break through, plus u can control the ratio of dmt to leaf, its not bad, its good :thumb_up:
Adjhart said:
Good morning. =)
Although I'm not an experienced changa user, I found changa to have some advantages opposed to freebase.
1. It's much more convinient to use imho. No need to work on vaping techniques. Just light the Joint/Bonga and smoke as usual. It's much easier to find your sweet spot in dosage.
2. The come up is slower. No matter how often I vaped FB, the come up was always some kind of "suprising". It was always like...I took a hit, held in in, waited a few seconds to check...how was this hit? Was it enough? How it comes? ....ah...oh, no..not enogh. Ok, next hit. How was this? Enough? Hm...no...next one. Oh f******ck, that one was huuuuuge! I hope I can handle thi...gone.
I have to admit, that I haven't tried changa in the bonga yet. But with joints, I can just smoke and toke by toke, I just slip in. It's not like a punch a the face, BAM you're there, it builds up more slowly, over minutes so I have some time to acclimate myself to the feelings, which really comforts me. Also you can easyly share it with another one. Sit there together smoking, without having to handle any fancy devices, which may even have a learning curve.
3. The trip itself. It's slower, even a bit warmer for me. The harmine also adds another layer to the visions. There are fomrs and shapse which haven't been there with FB only. Also for me it feels more mystic. Whithout ever having tried it I think it must feel a bit like a "mini-ayahuasca".
You can read my first-time-changa-trip-report here
I hope this helps. :thumb_up:
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