Lets turn this around, How would you treat a ........

[yamma1]

A few days ago, I loaded up my newly converted VG, See Here with my enhanced leaf, ( mullien) Now I don't want this to become a trip report as this isn't the intention of the post, But I need to explain this first,

As I inhale the vapour, And as it starts to take effect, I sense the " oh no, this isn't a good one " I close my eyes and lay back, within the beautiful colours and fractuals, there is a flicker of something, a kind of imperfection within the visuals. a sense of something else being there. Im sure you know about this, it has malicious intentions, I just sit there, I open my eyes and await for the trip to pass, I didn't take any more hits from VG when this happens. The visuals are distorted, I feel as if someone or something has purposely interrupted my trip, and this got me thinking.

How would you treat a inter / outer dimensional being appearing within your reality? now, Im sure most here would be with open hands and love, with the want and need to respect, teach and learn from this being.

But Im sure there are people in the world, who would not treat these beings with the respect or love, to be more malicious and childish like to this new arrival.

I feel that this DMT realm has exactly this, It has the good, with love, a good heart ( so to speak) But it also has the bad, the evil, And these can intercept the trip and make it more of a nightmare than euphoric. I believe it also has the young, like childish almost that just feel the need to disrupt the trip.

I know the bad trips are all part of the learning, and are part of the DMT experience, Im just glad I didn't get this on my first trip, then I may not have returned.

Anyway, I'm sure you understand the point here.

Thanks for reading



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[cubeananda]

I dont want to definitively advise you one way or the other, but IME

Take it as a sign to integrate for awhile... look for other types of emotional food in this world and give well in what ways you can. Respond to existence for awhile before approaching DMT again.

This is what I would do in such a situation anyway.

 

[yamma1]

Thanks, I understand what you are saying, I have been back since that one and all is fine.

Also, its rarely I get these interrupted trips. but I'm not saying that I didn't cause them either. we do not know really what DMT does to us.



I was just trying to see it from another view, as if I were being visited rather than being the visitor.

I wasn't meant to sound like I was having a go at any particular entity, Or I'm struggling with the use of DMT, Just meant it in a way that these entities possibly are unique like us, with there own behaviours. individual characteristics.

Just got me wondering also if they can interact or even be aware of us even before we use DMT. and DMT is only our way to reach these places.

 

[Guyomech]

Best thing is not to react with panic. And if you find yourself needing to resist, try doing it rationally, without fear. Once that irrational fear kicks in you have lost control.

Many DMT users feel that these beings are a way of looking at different parts of ourselves, and that the sense of "other dimensions" is a result of seeing our own realities from such drastically different perspectives. From this angle, these kind of uncomfortable entity encounters can be seen as difficult face-to-face encounters with normally subliminal aspects of ourselves. Whatever the case may be, though, treating these experiences with thoughtful respect is a good way to approach them more rationally and with less fear.

 

[Pandora]

^^^ best post I've seen all month. I fully agree and really like how well you stated this Guyomech.

 

[yamma1]

Thanks Guyomech,

This makes perfect sense.

 

[Guyomech]

Thank you Pan! My most recent journey (about a month back) was a king-sized struggle, where I think I was just lucky that the fear stayed at bay. Sometimes it's like you've opened a trapdoor to a hole deeper than the universe, and the vertigo can be beyond belief. But what an experience.

 

[○]

The experience has all the various archetypes (entities), whether it be the trickster, the hero, the child, the mother/father. All facets of the one persona.

None of this can definitively hurt you. You always reassemble, you always come back. Take the lessons, from whatever form presents itself, whether it's good or bad. Try to look at whatever may happen, impartially.

Ultimately, it's WE that react, WE that interpret the various forms this experience can spin out as 'good' or 'bad'.


On a sidenote, aside from the christian doctrine, the terms 'heaven' or 'hell' - they're the same place - the rest is up to you. (this opinion reflects pretty much everything up top)

 

[null24]

give well in what ways you can.

And receive graciously.

 

[Pandora]

Sometimes it's like you've opened a trapdoor to a hole deeper than the universe, and the vertigo can be beyond belief. But what an experience.

Hehe, welcome to my world/box, .

 

[Felnik]

As I'm learning myself these kind of experiences have so much to
do with what we choose to believe. Many times for myself
there is a certain unmindful state that seems to manifest
apparently negative types of energy states . Yesterday for example
I realized I was pushing to hard for some sort of breakthrough in a very
unmindful way. The result was the distinct and familiar feeling of a
sneaky calculating parasitic entity injecting itself into my system
And lodging in my spine.
My experience with this in the past hinges on what I choose to
believe. Previous and numerous experience tells me nothing negative ever really manifests
On this reality plane after one of these experiences no matter how weird it gets.
Lately I 'be been trying to approach this from a more grounded observational perspective .

 

[Global]

Best thing is not to react with panic. And if you find yourself needing to resist, try doing it rationally, without fear. Once that irrational fear kicks in you have lost control.

Many DMT users feel that these beings are a way of looking at different parts of ourselves, and that the sense of "other dimensions" is a result of seeing our own realities from such drastically different perspectives. From this angle, these kind of uncomfortable entity encounters can be seen as difficult face-to-face encounters with normally subliminal aspects of ourselves. Whatever the case may be, though, treating these experiences with thoughtful respect is a good way to approach them more rationally and with less fear.

I think I'm going to have to be a little bit of the naysayer here. This would be all good and well under the assumption that it's true, and it's a reassuring kind of mindset to have, and is probably psychologically beneficial, but it's but one possibility, and one that I don't personally heavily subscribe to.

Our OP here is one of the first that I've seen to have described the particular hyperspacial nuisances that I have routinely dealt with.

I close my eyes and lay back, within the beautiful colours and fractuals, there is a flicker of something, a kind of imperfection within the visuals. a sense of something else being there. Im sure you know about this, it has malicious intentions, I just sit there, I open my eyes and await for the trip to pass, I didn't take any more hits from VG when this happens. The visuals are distorted, I feel as if someone or something has purposely interrupted my trip, and this got me thinking.

On numerous occasions I have run into these imperfections. They are like blemishes, glitches or knots that can easily interrupt the course of the experience. The other entities aren't too fond of them either, and will do what they can to dispose of these glitches.

I have approached these things from the gamut of perspectives. When they first started cropping up, I thought little more of them than odd imperfections in the seas of beauty, color and precision. At this point, I regarded them as harmless or as having little to no effect on anything. It was a pretty genuinely neutral stance to have.

At some point I began to notice that they were interrupting and derailing my experiences. Everything would be going just swimmingly, and then all of a sudden they would show up, and when they did, that would usually mark a premature ending to the experience...which began to become a bit frustrating. I would be having a sublime experience, and would want to see it through and see what comes next, or how it ends, and then I would notice the blemish out of the corner of the scene which would bring its way forward. At this point, they began growing a bit pesky.

I would try and communicate with them, but it seemed even less effective than trying to communicate with more conventional entities. They respond little to much of any thought you try to send their way, and they emit a broken sequence of audio code that is an indecipherable broken loop.

I sought to become more enthusiastic with their appearances. I would try and greet them with warmth, love, and steadfast courage...and you know what? They couldn't care less. It was just more invitation to them to allow them to come and do what they do best - approaching you. They want to get as close to you as possible in the same way a tic does. You think the tic that's biting you thinks much of how you feel about it? You could love it, you could despise it, you could be indifferent or even unaware of it, but that doesn't stop it from doing what it's been biologically programmed to do.

So what exactly do these things do once they've successfully approached you? I'll tell you what they do to me. They just want to touch you, and they leave you with a tangible gift. I find the DMT experience to be very energy-oriented. Positive interactions tend to lead to the natural abounding flow of energy of what feels like pure magnetism. Such interactions lead to euphoria or the flow of positive emotions. Interacting with these imperfections however leads to them depositing this warm, fuzzy, sticky energy (it sticks to your skin - I can even rub it between my fingers). It can create anxiety, but more specifically a blockage of emotions.

So now what to do about them? As I said before, I wouldn't just let go when it comes to these specific imperfection entities. It gets you no where. The best outcome here seems to be that you could be rescued by other entities, but you're taking a gamble that they will show up and pull through for you. Since the vibrations of sound have a direct impact on hyperspace IME, it becomes one of the most reliable tools you have at your disposal. I have found throat singing to be incredibly effective. It's very visceral nature leads the entire body to vibrate, and it's simply something that these imperfections can't seem to defend against as you alter the "broken signal" that has them looking and behaving the way they do. I have used this technique successfully on many occasions. I come out unscathed (i.e. no traces of sticky energy on the body) and they can be transformed and unraveled into more whimsical, positive geometries. In post #9 of my topic Unraveling Negative Entities, I show an illustration I made depicting this alchemical process.

 

[yamma1]

Global, Thanks, You get EXACTLY what I was meaning,

Up and till now when I feel this Imperfection, I stop hitting the VG, maybe I should still go with it. and take the experience for what it is. I have been kind of turning my back on the trip when this happens. maybe I shouldn't, whether they care or not

Thanks.

 

[Felnik]

I agreed with global on the singing part for sure
I've employed this on many occasions with good results.
I've also had trips that can start off feeling weird glitchy and negative
that with some persistence can turn out amazing and beautiful.
I've experienced scouting type entities that show up initially . These can feel
Indifferent , intense and scary. In the past I've stopped at this point but lately
I have continued forward only to discover some of the most amazing states
to date .
It's a mix of leap of faith, past experience , knowing when to push and when not to.
grounding inner strength and some tools , like chanting etc . At your disposal
In case it gets weird .
I'm not a fan of passivity in this at all . These things seem parasitic
in nature at times and completely indifferent with a job to do . This fact
Seems inescapable at times .

 

[yamma1]

I've also had trips that can start off feeling weird glitchy and negative
that with some persistence can turn out amazing and beautiful.
I've experienced scouting type entities that show up initially . These can feel
Indifferent , intense and scary. In the past I've stopped at this point but lately
I have continued forward only to discover some of the most amazing states
to date .

This is promising for me to read. Thanks, Its this kind of experience that assures me its worth that leap of faith.

 

[Global]

Yes, as Felnik notes, negative experiences can really be turned on their heads. These glitches in particular are bound and knotted up by a lot of energy. If you can get that all to release (which the chanting is very effective at) so that it's unbounded, you can really get things to start working gloriously in your favor. In these cases you're akin to the poi dancer playing with fire...just don't get burned!

 

[Global]

There was only one occasion that I can recall where I was shown the glitchy geometry, but it wasn't perceived as threatening because of the nature of the experience. It still confounds me to this day as to what these things are.

There's a mansion in hyperspace that I go to a lot. It has a variety of rooms, and they're always the same, in the same place. Sometimes they're inhabited, sometimes not. There is a vaulted living room with one or two red couches as depicted here. So one time I find myself there, and there are a host of "the usual" entities present, but they're laying inert and lifeless on the floor. All was silent, and then suddenly one of them, a serpent-dragon-like abstraction began emitting his signature audio code, and it brought everything to life. The instant the sequence started playing, the entities rose up, and it was like the gravity was sucked out of the room, as I floated up in a sea of magnetism (all within the confines of the vaulted dome). This one serpent-dragon was the focal point of my attention. As I was bobbing weightlessly in front of him, he began folding himself again...and again...and again. He folded himself so many times until this once colorful entity was a giant, knotted up glitch. Just as easily as he folded himself, he would unfold himself back perfectly. I think he cycled several times between the two states.

This is the really puzzling part, and the anomaly to the whole story because he is not a threatening entity, nor did he interact negatively with me, and he actually "voluntarily" displayed the transformation. The glitch state seems to be something that any of the entities may be capable of doing, but what the purpose of the state is or whether normal glitches behave as they do "voluntarily" is unknown.