TEK Lime vodka and malic acid extraction

[modern]

So seems very hard to believe but very easy to verify.

Mescaline malate seems to be insoluble in 40% ethanol solution. I did only a back test using unwashed hcl salts and didn’t measure perfectly so would need more tests.

Cyanific posted his extraction and based on older obscure and unverified posts I suspected it was malate. Mescaline Crystals from Water, Vinegar and Ethanol

So the technique would just be mix lime and water into cactus so completely freebased and alkaline. You can use a tar or even the powder.
Add enough vodka or ethanol of higher grade to pull the freebase mescaline.
Filter so the alcohol is particulate free
Add enough malic acid that it is acidic. The solubility is around 50g/L but does take a while to dissolve.
Allow it to sit for a few days and the mescaline malate should precipitate.
Freezer or fridge rest doesn’t seem to be needed.

You can wash with water or with alcohol to remove any excess malic acid.

Lots needs to be tested. Idk how effective this is… how to precipitate it all. Or if it’ll even work with plant material since only tested with hcl extract.

I first tested with 96 ethanol and saw better precipitation adding some water.

CALM tek just to make a easy Acronym.
Cactus Alcohol Lime Malic acid

 

[Transform]

Only just noticed this - great stuff! Hope things are working well for you, I love your experiments

 

[modern]

I need to repeat these experiments... I hope to experiment more in the future repeating my CO2 bubbling being the first attempt using more starting material.

"The first precipitate was NOT mescaline but likely calcium malate."

Mescaline Crystals from Water, Vinegar and Ethanol

can you not run a quick tlc plate to confirm what is precipitating

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I still favor using oxalic acid for salting and also want to experiment more with the 'carbonate' formed from H2O2 + oxalate salt. I still believe that salt to be stronger with better absorption.

Hopefully others can test this for faster results but slowly I'll be repeating these extractions since I'm doing my best to go further way from solvents with strong smells like ethyl acetate and xylene.

From post I made in the other thread the likely mescaline malate didn't precipitate and solubility is around 100mg/ml and I think it is actually higher closer to 1g/ml which I think is similar to HCL?

 

[Transform]

The first precipitate was NOT mescaline but likely calcium malate

That's very much what I would have expected, unfortunately!

 

[Ruffles]

I can attest that mescaline malate is highly insoluble in water. 100 mg is incredibly difficult to dissolve in 2 mL of water even with high heat.

Dear modern, we will absolutely test your CIEthLO tek proposal when the cereus gods provide us their flesh.

Points:
- Straightforward CIELO or with what adaptations would you suggest?
- Wouldn't anhydrous ethanol or isopropanol pull more freebase mesc? It would pull some water from the cacti flesh anyways. I still see water as undesired.

 

[doubledog]

Ethanol still dissolves substantial amount of other unwanted material and that changes solubility quite significantly. Calcium salts will be part of the precipitate. I also doubt that solubility of mescaline malate is so low.

 

[blig-blug]

Isn't mescaline malate supposed to be the main form of mescaline in cacti? If that's known to be the case, shouldn't one expect it to be moderately soluble? Of course, if it's not, it's not.

 

[Ruffles]

Moderately soluble in water perhaps, less than mesc fumarate which isn't a lot either. It was a big surprise to me.

 

[doubledog]

I can say for sure that 40% ethanol is effective as a solvent for extraction of cactus. Otherwise hydroethanolic extraction would not work.

Using anhydrous ethanol with CIELO paste works, but resulting solution also contains water, calcium, chlorophyl, other material and has quite high volume.
Imo solubility of mescaline salt in this complex solution is not so low to precipitates effectively.

It would be great to find out some way, but I expect it to be not very easy, except we could find some acid with very suitable properties

 

[Ruffles]

So, basified cacti mass straight into anhydrous or wet ethanol? Which would pull more magic more selectively?