Looking around in Hyperspace.

[Qoniaq]

Hi all,

I have a question for the psychonauts here about how we see in the DMT space.

I've been trying to look around in this space, and I find it exceedingly difficult.

In the real world, if you turn your head to the left or right, what you're looking at changes. Likewise, if you keep your head still and move your eyes left or right, your field of view changes.

But in the DMT state, that doesn't seem to happen. Even if I physically move my eyes left and right, it doesn't change the center of the experience. The visual scene remains the same.

I'm wondering if anyone has found a way to actually look around in that space and control what they're looking at. I don't mean shifting your focus within the visual field, I mean something more like turning your head to the left or right and seeing a different part of the environment.

It's not something I've been able to do.

Also, has anyone ever been able to look at themselves in that space? Have you looked down and seen some sort of DMT body, astral body, or whatever you want to call it? I've never been able to do that either. It's almost as if I'm simply a point of awareness with no body attached.

I'd be really interested to hear whether this is a common experience or whether some of you can actually navigate and inspect the space in ways that I can't.

PLUR
Q

 

[somanaut]

I can confirm no ability to look around, the visual field of the mindscape seems to move on its own and without regard to 'my' agency. and I haven't encountered an astral body myself either. both of these experiences point to a missing self which is always a profound rediscovery!

 

[universecannon]

The problem might not be navigational, but ontological. To me these states seem to be more fundamental and profoundly strange than simply an other, navigable space.

@somanaut I agree (assuming I understand you correctly of course)

 

[Qoniaq]

Thanks for the feedback. Glad I am not alone!!. But I am still working on trying to do it. This morning's session almost produced a result. I did not manage to ''look around'' but I am starting to be more and more aware of the peripheral psychedelic vision. I could not 'turn and look' to my left, but I could 'allow' what was to my left and just at the edge of my vision to be not just noticed but 'seen' kinda like when you are with your wife and a stupid hot woman walks by. You do not stare directly at the other woman (that would be suicidal!), you keep your gaze firmly on the wife, but you can still 'see' the other woman! hahaha. Don't know if the image works, but it felt like that this morning. I am at least developing the ability to be aware of more details in the periphery, without yet being able to actually rotate attention.
If any one else has some info, please keep the comments coming. If you have a technique, a trick, a meditation that works for this, please share if you are comfotable doing that.
as I progress, it has become clear that the experience is somewhat interactive, but not user controlled. I want to work on the control layer, see how much we can generate, what we can affect, and what we cannot. There are a lot of psychedelic miles logged here, and i hope someone has managed to do this.

 

[Jamie01]

The only time I can do that is during lucid dreams/obe’s. I make a habit of looking around often. With tryptamines I get the visual drifting and I might be following it or not. I fly around and can zoom in on stuff often enough though.

 

[Jamie01]

On high doses of vaporized bufotenine I would get a lot of drifting visions of Andean styled people. They would be super animated but slowly drifting away out to my left or right or up or down. I would try to follow them but couldn’t and someone/thing else would drift into my visual field.

The closest I got was once I experienced surround vision like I had eyes all around my head.

 

[yatyas314]

I have not looked aorund its more like POV and things are happening fast, Sometimes I get drawn in from a female presence to come deeper and I follow her instructions.

 

[blig-blug]

I think the "field of vision" at high psychedelic states (or even not that high) is very different from our ocular field of vision. It seems much wider, and one is able to perceive everything that's happening in it at the same time, even when it's extremely intricate as it happens with DMT. It seems to move on its own, and often may have "layers" or "folds" in a way that doesn't really have a visual equivalent.

I see it as a different phenomenon that just happens to come through the mind's sense of sight, but otherwise unrelated to it. It also seems to come through the perception of the body, even when the body itself is not felt anymore, there's an equivalent of "bodily awareness" that seems to be transmitting some of the characteristics that are also being perceived visually.

 

[universecannon]

Good points yall

@blig-blug yes, kind of like a resonance tomography system, to me

There seems to be the ability in us somewhere to process visual information in a kind of all-at-once, rainman-style sorta way (I also get it from low doses or sober looking at trees/complex scenes of people etc but so far no luck guessing the number of leaves ). This kind of visual capacity is heavily correlated with the right hemisphere/savant stuff etc.

But I think that might be sort of just a step en route to a vastly more baffling resonance tomography ability that goes beyond just the visual system and is more akin to sonar or MRI, hence the synesthesiac aspect where it's all unified perceptual info instead of separate, dumbed down representations of reality. More like resonance coupling, but vastly enhanced visual clarity does seem to come along with it.

The only time I can do that is during lucid dreams/obe’s

That's been my experience as well

 

[northape]

Neo: As a child, how did you do that?
Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

 

[brettsta]

Hi all,

I have a question for the psychonauts here about how we see in the DMT space.

I've been trying to look around in this space, and I find it exceedingly difficult.

In the real world, if you turn your head to the left or right, what you're looking at changes. Likewise, if you keep your head still and move your eyes left or right, your field of view changes.

But in the DMT state, that doesn't seem to happen. Even if I physically move my eyes left and right, it doesn't change the center of the experience. The visual scene remains the same.

I'm wondering if anyone has found a way to actually look around in that space and control what they're looking at. I don't mean shifting your focus within the visual field, I mean something more like turning your head to the left or right and seeing a different part of the environment.

It's not something I've been able to do.

Also, has anyone ever been able to look at themselves in that space? Have you looked down and seen some sort of DMT body, astral body, or whatever you want to call it? I've never been able to do that either. It's almost as if I'm simply a point of awareness with no body attached.

I'd be really interested to hear whether this is a common experience or whether some of you can actually navigate and inspect the space in ways that I can't.

PLUR
Q

Great question I have thought about this a lot , maybe yes !
In my experience it depends where I end up in " hyperspace"
To simplify it down i could end up in what feels like underground? In the lair of the machine elves ,
or what feels like up in nothing ness , white or black

or I can be what appears like on ground level . ?

It's this ground level where I find I think I can look around ?? , its this place is where I find
places like the cosmic fairground or Fractal Palaces and gnomes and entities going about there lives.
I'm positive at times I've looked around from side to side ? and up ?

But I've never looked down at my legs , I assume I'm like a floating cartoon head .

The problem might not be navigational, but ontological. To me these states seem to be more fundamental and profoundly strange than simply an other, navigable space.

@somanaut I agree (assuming I understand you correctly of course)

Or it could be somewhere along the lines of what Universecannon said .

 

[Qoniaq]

The only time I can do that is during lucid dreams/obe’s. I make a habit of looking around often. With tryptamines I get the visual drifting and I might be following it or not. I fly around and can zoom in on stuff often enough though.

When you manage to do that, how are you shifting your focus? do you notice a somatic element, or is it purely attentional? Do you have a memory of using your eyes? turning your head? Just guiding attention in a particular direction? Whole body rotation?