Looking at Laser on wall while on DMT?!

[northape]

Even if you can perfectly read the ones and zeroes in a modern computer memory, it requires much much (much!) more context (both cultural and technical) about the architecture ( and architects ) of the computer system to even start working out whether those ones and zeroes encode instructions, or data, or are even just noise of uninitialised storage. I speak as one who has tried to reverse engineer code, it's not at all easy without one hell of a lot of outside knowlege.

When you are (allegedly) a product of whatever is running the simulation then gaining that context seems impossible to me, we just can't see outside to work out what any symbols might mean. This is where people go nuts trying to spot "glitches in the matrix" I guess.

A computer system is a simplification of reality. Nothing is black or white, so a binary understanding is extremely limited. Reality has grades and shades. It is analog, and our move toward binary is a big part of modern collapse. The problem with people is always their minds. We are sick; this society is sick. And here we are in this mental ward discussing one more grand idea. Until masses wake up and return to nature, there is no future on this planet. We plundered this jewel in 100 years and still talk about tech and our inventions like they have some value. They do not, and time will show it to those who do not see. End of preaching.

Peace

 

[fractals4life]

True, I'm thoroghly of the opinion that consciusness is not the result of anything we class as computation. My main point was about being unable to see outside the system.

Also I'm with you that the quantification of everything is one of the major sources of today's malaise. You can get rid of opinion and feeling if you quantify everything, because no one can argue about whether one number is bigger than another, and the actual derivation of the nice easy to rank metrics soon gets forgotten as they pile up on each other.

I sometimes feel that it's integers that are the problem in a way, when we try and use them in the real world we always run up against issues with values getting ratcheted on one direction or another because messy natural processes want to be real numbers, integers are purely mathematical constructs... anyway enough half baked personal philosophy, I have to go exchange service tokens for food ingredients

 

[Voidmatrix]

It's the interpretation of the phenomena that gets me (I am open to trying this experiment, however...)

The interpretation and conclusion that this effect shows the code of reality is quite the leap. One needs to investigate, and say, apply said code, that is, test it, to see if it's "the code of reality."

We want explanations for things so badly...

One love

 

[northape]

It's the interpretation of the phenomena that gets me (I am open to trying this experiment, however...)

The interpretation and conclusion that this effect shows the code of reality is quite the leap. One needs to investigate, and say, apply said code, that is, test it, to see if it's "the code of reality."

We want explanations for things so badly...

One love

Someone just watched The Matrix too many times, maybe. "Source code of reality" does sound grand.
Let's program some new features in then, like a clean environment and world peace.

 

[the_Architect]

I agree with many people here, in that even if the experiment is real, you cannot make quick assumptions about everything that happen in life being due to some code. The interpretation is too... click-bait.

I was actually going to erase the post but after some many repplies, I am considering publishing another post about a different experiment under DMT:

-Find the magnetic north in your house. Stick the finger in the bu__hole and move your tongue up to touch your palate (connecting tthe upper chakras to the spine), Put your finger inside and electric outlet while being barefoot with the floor wet.

 

[northape]

-Find the magnetic north in your house. Stick the finger in the bu__hole and move your tongue up to touch your palate (connecting tthe upper chakras to the spine), Put your finger inside and electric outlet while being barefoot with the floor wet.

That is a sure ticket into the astral planes. I already booked my flight many decades ago, so I will wait for my premium seat

 

[salientbeings]

I've had a couple of goes looking at a difused laser and I have seen different things... first time was something akin to meso american glyphs and the other it was more like aya patterning. But I see a lot of different pattens and glyphs type things when entering these spaces... on animals, nature and people. I once saw a load of Aztec style glyphs on someone's back... everything seems to have holographic layers of pattens and glyphs to me.

 

[northape]

I've had a couple of goes looking at a difused laser and I have seen different things... first time was something akin to meso american glyphs and the other it was more like aya patterning. But I see a lot of different pattens and glyphs type things when entering these spaces... on animals, nature and people. I once saw a load of Aztec style glyphs on someone's back... everything seems to have holographic layers of pattens and glyphs to me.

When you open your eyes, you see things, even more so under the influence of a psychedelic. That is how our visual center works, so I see absolutely nothing of interest there. Saying that working with lasers somehow opens a hidden code of the universe is just one man's delusion. Yes, we can welcome his mental parasites or be skeptical about it all. What you see in your sober state (or any state) is the code of this universe. Everything is just a symbolic representation of what is. You do not need to look for some hidden message, because it was never hidden. The truth shines right at us, but we turn away from it. Once again, it is much more interesting to investigate who looks through your eyes.

 

[1Starway7]

When you open your eyes, you see things, even more so under the influence of a psychedelic. That is how our visual center works, so I see absolutely nothing of interest there. Saying that working with lasers somehow opens a hidden code of the universe is just one man's delusion. Yes, we can welcome his mental parasites or be skeptical about it all. What you see in your sober state (or any state) is the code of this universe. Everything is just a symbolic representation of what is. You do not need to look for some hidden message, because it was never hidden. The truth shines right at us, but we turn away from it. Once again, it is much more interesting to investigate who looks through your eyes.

I would like to know if my video clip ....[of my room laser]...went through properly..?
click on.... black band..... in lower picture frame....then click.... save....upper left corner of screen.....then click...address...upper right corner of screen...

 

[Voidmatrix]

I would like to know if my video clip ....[of my room laser]...went through properly..?
click on.... black band..... in lower picture frame....then click.... save....upper left corner of screen.....then click...address...upper right corner of screen...

Um... excuse me sir... I NEED THAT LIGHT!

One love

 

[the_Architect]

I would like to know if my video clip ....[of my room laser]...went through properly..?
click on.... black band..... in lower picture frame....then click.... save....upper left corner of screen.....then click...address...upper right corner of screen...

Nice lights... I had one of those aurora borealis lights from amazon, nice stuff.

 

[Icon]

I've been a skeptic of this idea since it first went viral years ago. A few months ago it was convenient for me to point a laser at the wall while hitting DMT and there actually was something intriguing about it. I didn't see code, and I don't think the conclusions the original guy drew about the code he saw are logical. Nonetheless I will experiment with it again in the future. I think there is something about a laser that we do take for granted or can't quite appreciate. Idk what it is exactly, maybe just the illusion that a point in space is self-luminating, the only comparable thing might be a star in the sky. Maybe observing a "star" on the wall ten feet away breaks our depth perception or something that catalyzes hallucinations. To be fair, I didn't diffract the laser like the experiment suggests, but my theory has shifted from "Dude's just hallucinating it all" to "illusions escalate hallucinations" or something. I've previously applied that theory to datura too, which can offer all kinds of illusions that become hallucinations if you feed them.

I bought some silkstone this weekend and it has a visual effect similar to tigerseye, except like ripples in silk. It's really cool because the stone is cut, so the surface is 2-D, yet there's all this light-play that gives the illusion of depth. No matter how long I stare at it, rotate it, and verify the flatness with touch, it's impossible to un-see the illusion. I suspect something similar with the laser, especially on DMT when your perception is already altered.

And also the power of suggestion. It's not a good experiment if people get a preformed idea of what the laser is supposed to show them.

 

[Voidmatrix]

I think part of the interpretive issue is that very rarely does something have sufficient explanatory power to explain so much that happens in a psychedelic experience that lead to certain claims. We just don't know, all we know if what we experience.

One love

 

[1Starway7]

Um... excuse me sir... I NEED THAT LIGHT!

One love

Here is another less shakey clip of the lazer....with trafic going past my window at night...

 

[aizoaceous]

If you look at a spot of normal incoherent light (like from a flashlight or a candle flame) and defocus your eyes, then you'll see a larger and blurrier spot. If you look at a laser spot and defocus then you'll instead see a speckle pattern, due to constructive and destructive interference of the coherent light. If you move your head then the speckle pattern will move, opposite to the direction of movement of your head. If you can't voluntarily defocus your eyes, then a pair of reading glasses (or almost any other lens) will achieve the same effect. Laser speckle is a well-understood physical phenomenon, with many scientific and industrial applications.

I think the moving speckle pattern is particularly good at inspiring hallucination, in the same way that one might see visions in the clouds or in flames. For those who report seeing this, it would be interesting to know whether you perceive your eyes to defocus. Regardless of the exact mechanism, the actual result is pretty clearly just "lasers are trippy", which isn't novel but is certainly true.

And also the power of suggestion. It's not a good experiment if people get a preformed idea of what the laser is supposed to show them.

I also wonder to what extent drug effects are shaped by their societal expectations. Shulgin reports becoming unconscious after drinking orange juice containing crystals that he assumed to be a sedative prior to surgery, but that in fact were just sugar. Wade Davis has claimed (somewhat controversially) that Haitian priests created zombies with an initial but temporary drug effect, which then persists because the victim expects it to. A pattern of letter-like symbols is a pretty easy sell by comparison.

 

[blig-blug]

This brings to mind the Fire Kasina practice, a (relatively late) Theravada meditation technique described in the Visudhimagga consisting on fully focusing one's attention on a candlelight flame in the dark (LEDs and other sources are also used nowadays). In the non-fire Kasina practice, a colored disk is used instead. I've never tried it myself.

Here's more info about it: Fire Kasina

 

[burnt]

This cracked me up when I heard of it. There might be something to having a similar type visual with a very similar type of stimulus (laser light at specific wavelength) but thats probably about it.