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Low dose extended DMT - the VALUE is enormous- WOW

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CataractSurgeon

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In 3 sessions of about 18-22 mg IM DMT (with high dose harmine -my way which is IM - don’t do this )- this is just my observation not a recommendation for anyone -

I went from panic to being able to control the panic ego by simple observation and redirection to the positive - for example panic mind says - it’s gonna last forever - lol - observer mind says no it’s not long enough - etc etc - on and on

More intense it gets the panic mind can only raise its volume - same response - I don’t feel it’s loop anymore - I watch and redirect my mind to presence / observation/ awe

This has been having huge real life dividends for me as I better understand myself

I get a 20-30 min peak - and 1.5 to 2 hrs of trip mostly bliss - and great bliss off too with presence

I think maybe people get this from Aya but I can do this in 90 min and go back to life -

Next step higher dose and as things dissolve panic mind will scream louder but same stuff - it feels weird it looks weird it sounds weird my body is in trouble - etc

I know not to get drawn in and instead just think - it’s so cool - look at this feel that - wow -

There is great therapeutic value here for those who are exceedingly analytical (plenty of us )
 
CataractSurgeon said:
How much harmala and DMT in your dosing and do you get nausea ?
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I usually take 230mg harmalas from rue (so harmine + harmaline mostly) and 30 or 40mg DMT at the beginning, and then redose again with another 30 or 40mg. But this is oral, it goes through the liver etc. before reaching the brain, and it's absorbed slower. So it's likely that 70mg harmine IM is stronger at the peak than 230mg harmalas oral.
There is maybe some differences in metabolism. Oral harmalas should last longer, but in my case I can sleep after 6 hours or so, sometimes less (if for example I have caapi, that doesn't have harmaline).

About nausea, if it's pure DMT and harmalas I rarely get it. I sometimes get a lot of gas. There have been times with nausea, but it was more of an expression of my mental state than caused by the effect of the substances in my stomach.
 
Thanks - when do you redose DMT ? 70mg IM harmine 2 days in a row buzzed me hard and nearly zero sleep - ugh

30-40 is a mellow trip or does reality melt like 25 mg vape and 30mg IM (things go from a lovely ride to everything congealing into a new reality at about 25-30mg IM but ego still alive so quite challenging at 30 mg first time I freaked out -I think 50-60 is breakthrough on IM but I haven’t gotten there yet -
 
30-40 oral last much longer than the same dose vaporized (and, I assume, IM), and the peak is much less intense. It comes up slow, too. In general, reality doesn't melt with that dose. When redosing, the second time has been completely out of body in a couple of occasions, but it's usually not.
I usually redose when the first dose is coming down but is not fully down yet. This usually happens around 1.5h after the effects started.
 
I’m gonna try it !

IM with Harmine lasts about 20 min peak pretty intense the more dose the more heavy - 20 is one thing 30 is breakthroughs but with ego intact - which is a hard situation-

I was in a cartoon tower but stuck floating around and in terror the first time - I think I’ll be ok next time I’ve gone back up to 25 IM which is heavy enough and I’m learning all my minds fear tricks and how to redirect -

then comes down to like a shroom or Metocin type trip with all these waves that can be pretty strong at times - about 90 - 120 min total waves tail off - very sharp come up on 20 mg plus but time to work in there -

Obviously if I can get same thing oral I’ll do it as all the prep for IM is a pain - although less drug is used - no limit to that really 😀
 
CataractSurgeon said:
70mg IM Harmine HCL - feels fantastic but lasts way too long can’t sleep even 8 hrs later - too bad - easily 20 mg will be fine
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This seems like way too much. For me, 10mg of IM harmine was enough to strongly potentiate IM DMT. It's not surprising you'd experience unwanted side effects on a dose 7 times higher.

I'd try a bit less and see if it still gets you where you want to be.
 
If you try it, please report on what differences you see between both routes. Note that as you seem to be used to quite high doses, the doses I take (230mg harmalas, 40mg DMT) are likely to be less strong that you expect. Still, I'd advise to try a dose like that at first and then adjust the dose until you find the range you like.
 
Here&Now said:
This seems like way too much. For me, 10mg of IM harmine was enough to strongly potentiate IM DMT. It's not surprising you'd experience unwanted side effects on a dose 7 times higher.

I'd try a bit less and see if it still gets you where you want to be.
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Yea I tried 20 mg IM this am and it still gave me 80 min of waves on 23mg IM DMT (sub breakthrough ) where I’m training to avoid panic loops / hypochondria/ etc - making progress -

70 was waaaay too high - but it was stimulating as hell for the trip with lots of “victory” euphora -
20 harmine with 23 mg DMT IM after I felt th4 harmine - 15-30 min it hits hard

Was a much more sedated body heavy trip vs a stimulant trip

The stimulated trip is more “fun” but the insomnia isn’t worth it
 
CataractSurgeon said:
Yea I tried 20 mg IM this am and it still gave me 80 min of waves on 23mg IM DMT (sub breakthrough ) where I’m training to avoid panic loops / hypochondria/ etc - making progress -

70 was waaaay too high - but it was stimulating as hell for the trip with lots of “victory” euphora -
20 harmine with 23 mg DMT IM after I felt th4 harmine - 15-30 min it hits hard

Was a much more sedated body heavy trip vs a stimulant trip

The stimulated trip is more “fun” but the insomnia isn’t worth it
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I don't have a lot of experience to claim this as a certainty, but I think the inclusion of THH might give you the extra stimulatory/euphoric kick you're looking for, all while creating less total MAO inhibition. That aforementioned dose that I used also included 10mg of IM THH. So it was 10mg Harmine/THH and 10mg of DMT, and it was shockingly intense for such a low dose of IM DMT.
 
TransistorBass said:
Ahh, OK, so we are sticking pins in ourselves then. I'll a-void-matrix that then ;-)
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Really though, it's simply another way of delivering the psychedelic into your bloodstream, and there are some who consider it superior in that regard. I totally get the stigma around needles and drugs, mostly due to the association with heroin use and stuff like that, but it's really not as crazy as it sounds in the hands of a responsible psychonaut.
 
CataractSurgeon said:
In 3 sessions of about 18-22 mg IM DMT (with high dose harmine -my way which is IM - don’t do this )- this is just my observation not a recommendation for anyone -

I went from panic to being able to control the panic ego by simple observation and redirection to the positive - for example panic mind says - it’s gonna last forever - lol - observer mind says no it’s not long enough - etc etc - on and on

More intense it gets the panic mind can only raise its volume - same response - I don’t feel it’s loop anymore - I watch and redirect my mind to presence / observation/ awe

This has been having huge real life dividends for me as I better understand myself

I get a 20-30 min peak - and 1.5 to 2 hrs of trip mostly bliss - and great bliss off too with presence

I think maybe people get this from Aya but I can do this in 90 min and go back to life -

Next step higher dose and as things dissolve panic mind will scream louder but same stuff - it feels weird it looks weird it sounds weird my body is in trouble - etc

I know not to get drawn in and instead just think - it’s so cool - look at this feel that - wow -

There is great therapeutic value here for those who are exceedingly analytical (plenty of us )
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I made an account just to reply to you, but I have been doing IM and subQ for 7 years. I never thought about using the MAOI with it! I have been experimenting with vaporizing freebase harmala/harmaline before vaporizing DMT, as it smooths out and extends the experience, and vaporized MOAI is gentler on the body than oral. Plus, the needed dosage is smaller.

I have also done a 90m DMTx infusion for what that is worth... truly the best way, even if it is more work to get set up!
 
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