Tripp_ORG
Rising Star
100%
-
Members of the previous forum can retrieve their temporary password here, (login and check your PM).
Low dose extended DMT - the VALUE is enormous- WOW
- Thread starter CataractSurgeon
- Start date
-
- Tags
- dmt
Here&Now
Titanium Teammate
Very cool to see a fellow subQ user in the wild. I feel like most people haven't even thought to try it since talk about IM is so prevalent.
Did you create a DIY setup, or did you actually participate in the trials? Would love to hear more about your experience.
1Starway7
Established member
this appears like an oral trip...did you experiance any naseua?
Tripp_ORG
Rising Star
Looks like my original reply isn't going to be allowed because I mentioned that I'd rather discuss my DMTx experience via other... more encrypted messaging platforms.
I wish I remembered everything else I said, as I put a lot of time into that reply... maybe an admin would be able to give me a copy of the original reply for me to edit...
CataractSurgeon
Established member
CataractSurgeon
Established member
Where do I see this reply you made. Im interested in the subQ option and timing - could be a great base to vape off of as I can vape inside the space on my pen also and having a subQ base would possibly really make it that much faster to vape up past my liminal state which is no fun and get towards breakout and then re-break over and over with vape if the subQ is helping hold it all up
CataractSurgeon
Established member
What’s the dose range for various levels on SubQ? Same as IM or higher?
What part of the body- not into fatty sub cut skin I assume where it might just sit there and get degraded?
I was concerned that bodes MAO would just eat it up before it could get into blood- I guess not. Using this as a base and then vaping up with a cart sounds amazing and could also sequential breakthroughs that much easier -
Does vaped MAOI give the mind fuck of oral harmala or IM harmine? - body scan crap - time loops etc etc- like AYA and Pharma Aya it can be very tiring vs plain DMT -
Unfortunately I injured my neck (unrelated to DMT) and ripped the inside of my right vertebral artery to my brain - fortunately Im ok no stroke - except being on blood thinners and a month s far of nasty headaches and banned from anything that spikes blood pressure such as DMT - skydiving - etc - should be good to go in a couple months of healing - and looking forward to no headache and some mescaline and DMT trips - personally Im done with pharmaaya and shrooms -
Tripp_ORG
Rising Star
I’m afraid my original reply is forever lost in the cosmos of automatically banned replies
♂ I'm somewhat fatigued, so forgive my rambles, but I do have some time and will try to do my best to summarize the parts I remember… You probably know most of what I will say if you are a surgeon (or even halfway interested in surgery, like your name suggests), but I'll try to include these extra bits to help all who read this safely understand what I'm saying.
I think my reply started with mentioning that I wanted to double check if your IMs were actually IMs or if you, like myself, would sometimes use the terms interchangeably to avoid having to dive into the finer details.
So my first DMT injection was with an insulin syringe (i think 26g and 10mm long) in the vastus lateralis. I thought this was IM, but later learned that it was most likely subQ depending on the actual length of the insulin needle and the thickness of my subQ (fat/adipose) layer. A typical IM there would need a 1” needle for someone with my weight and BMI.
Then I purchased the autoject II pen when I learned that a slight twist of the syringe could increase the sting due to tearing of the inner skin/muscle. Here I had to buy certain brand needles to fit the pen and the longest ones I could find were BDs (30g, so minimal sting, and 1/2” long)
From here, I could easily do deltoid which is very likely to just barely be IM with my body. Left deltoid with 0.88-1.1mg/kg is great for 3-5 minute onset, 40m duration, and a gentle breakthrough.
If I go glutes, I can manage 1.0-1.3mg/kg for a 5-7m onset and 40-45m duration.
Most IM needles are going to be a lower gauge, so they sting more. The subQ, I think, is a great way to have a similar (if not better) experience and the sting is usually minimal. The worst stinging that can happen randomly (I assume from hitting small nerve endings) is always over before the DMT effects happen. This was not the case before the autoject II when accidental twisting would occur. It was this longer 10m sting (still a mild sting, but lingering) that could distract me from the experience.
When I was younger and dumber, I tried testosterone IM injections (gluteus, Maximus , with a much larger needle) and this is not something I would want to have to do to experience DMT.
I have never thought about vaping DMT on top of subQ, but it’s an interesting idea. I’m sure if it’s done right it could prolong the experience in more gentle waves, but the subQ would be 0.53mg/kg or so, as a 0.88-1.1mg/kg would nullify any ability to manage a vape pen after the 5-6m mark.
I don’t think DMT gets degraded significantly by fatty subQ layers. There is MAO there, but it should be overwhelmed and then the DMT will diffuse into the blood. The DMT should be in all pharmacokinetic compartments within these first five or so minutes, and from my experience, it doesn’t seem like there’s much degradation. I suspect even an IV bolus or infusion will transport the DMT to the fat within 5-10 minutes. Plus, I’m unsure if there’s more MAO in the adipose tissue of the subQ or in the brain…
You bring up good points. We need more research. Or maybe I/we need to start searching for the right papers!
0.3mg/kg of vaped harmalas can make me feel elevated. Maybe a little drowsy but not much. It is nothing like the body load from eating it, though I am currently experimenting with doses in the 0.08-0.23mg/kg range with the goal to find the dose that results in no noticable changes (until the DMT is administered).
I will soon try 0.152mg/kg vaped and then 0.46mg/kg subQ.
Glad you are alive and looking forward towards recovery! I too have lost interest with those oral forms of less efficacious entheogens and blends. 4-aco-DMT or purified psilocybin are still on the table for me. The oral ROA does have benefits related to social events, etc. Low dose pharmayahuasca might be something I'd do at a psychedelic wedding or other social gathering, but nothing large enough to be anywhere near nausea and purging.
Lastly, with your self proclaimed interest in surgery (by means of a username) I might have also mentioned my intentions to recieve a Port-a-Cath surgery one day. I feel called upon (by what I call, The Universal Creator) to get this surgery and to do DMTx breakthroughs every 1-3 months (many of them while alone, as this is where I have the best conversations with The Creator). I also feel called to microdose the DMT once a week or so while I sleep. Something so small that it doesnt wake me up. I suspect that I will live a better and longer life this way and am currently navigating the complex legal aspects of getting a surgery for religious purposes. I have a lawyer and a local PCP on board but she isnt quite sure who or how to refer me to the interventional radiologists (who are typically the cheapest route for the surgery), nor is she sure who to refer me to for regular heparin presecriptions etc, because all of this is out of her standard "wheelhouse".
Cheers,
Tripp
CataractSurgeon
Established member
Wow. Yes I am a real surgeon and in fact I have done over 10,000 cases and recently passed it all on to my associate so I work office only now and have no ego about it. Happy!
I have only done real IM with 1 inch needle only in glut or thigh or deltoid (hurts like hell with DMT citrate - the others dont). I have never done such a dose like 1mg/kg only up to 0.4mg.kg under harmine which landed me in liminal strobe very uncomfortable place almost panicked as it was first time I had experienced strobing and later what I realized is crazy fractal feedback which is a cortical looping thing under harmine plus DMT not DMT only. After that I was nervous to go to that dose and will never do it under harmine again (IM harmineHCL 50-70 mg alone is really fantastic though) -
Im still a bit nervous to do 1mg/mg IM or SQ wow - that would blow me in there for sure. The lower dose SQ idea though and then vape on it gives me control I think - vape pen (my own strong) extends my liminal too long and I fell like Im running through a creepy forest to get to the destination.
So SQ is same dose but longer lasting basically?
I have only done real IM with 1 inch needle only in glut or thigh or deltoid (hurts like hell with DMT citrate - the others dont). I have never done such a dose like 1mg/kg only up to 0.4mg.kg under harmine which landed me in liminal strobe very uncomfortable place almost panicked as it was first time I had experienced strobing and later what I realized is crazy fractal feedback which is a cortical looping thing under harmine plus DMT not DMT only. After that I was nervous to go to that dose and will never do it under harmine again (IM harmineHCL 50-70 mg alone is really fantastic though) -
Im still a bit nervous to do 1mg/mg IM or SQ wow - that would blow me in there for sure. The lower dose SQ idea though and then vape on it gives me control I think - vape pen (my own strong) extends my liminal too long and I fell like Im running through a creepy forest to get to the destination.
So SQ is same dose but longer lasting basically?