LSA Extraction Question... Milky white substance ?

[j-dead]

Okay so I've had two failed attempts on this so i want to make sure i get it right next time.

During this step of Kash's tek :

9. Quickly add 50 ml toluene or DCM to the solution and mix well for 15-20 minutes. After, seperate the layers with syringe and set aside the 50 ml of toluene or DCM in a glass.

During the second add of toluene, I get a white milky substance that gets pulled out with the solvent. Is this LSA or some impurities that are getting pulled out and isolated somehow?

Oddly enough, when I evapped the toluene, nothing substantially crystallized.

This has happened twice now and I was unsure if I should keep this. FYI, 50 g MG each time.

Thanks if anyone can lend insight.

 

[Kash]

This sounds odd. Explain your whole procedure.

 

[j-dead]

Hey Kash,

I actually did this a week ago and thinking about another attempt. I'm pretty sure I followed your exact procedure correctly. ( printed it off to work with )

During step 9, on the second add of Toluene, I shook it vigorously and eventually a white "milk" accumulated in the solvent layer. The first time I thought it was impurities so I siphoned it out of the solvent then proceeded to evap. The second time, I had saw online the same thing in a forum so I separated and it evaped into a tiny filmy mess.

I did have end up with some yellowy goo on the final evap that did have black light qualities but I mixed it water and ethanol and didnt have any noticeable effects.

I may have messed up somewhere but I would like to know if anyone has had that milky substance come out into the solvents before on step 9 and if i should toss.

Thanks.

p.s. unfortunately i forgot where that post was online or i'd link so you could see exactly what im talking about.

 

[Kash]

SWIM prefers to use HBWR himself becuase they are much more potent so he cant do more than speculate on the MG procedure. Would like to do testing with MG some day, but anyways...

So it formed a water layer, thin white layer, and top nonpolar layer? It just sounds like an emulsion imho. You can try testing the white layer, it would be interesting to hear if it is active, but I doubt it. I am unsure of why it only forms during the second pull.. are you mixing both pulls evenly/same duration? Anyway the final yellow goo product you got should be a mix of freebase ergolines that probably just werent concentrated enough to produce effects, or your seeds were bad. In the future pics would be great.

Even working with HBWR the freebase evap isnt 100% crystalline, it is a semi-crystal white residue. SWIM is working on a method to precip crystalline LSA tartrate though may be posted in the near future. :thumb_up:

 

[j-dead]

the thin white substance wasnt enough to create a layer. it sort of just lingered and moved about with movement of the jar i had it in. I remained in the nonpolar layer. if i can find that pic in a forum again i will post it.

Going to chock it up as bad seeds as i have never had good experiences with MG, hence trying to extract. Would have thought 50 grams would have pulled out enough for something.

Have some HBWR on the way so maybe it will be a better experience this time. Just didnt want to run into the same problem if someone has had this happen or knew what it was. Very peculiar that it happened twice at the same stage in the game. If i try again with MG and this happens, ill definitely post it.

just got a new 500ml sep funnel for this go round. 8) lol!

Great tek nevertheless and thanks Kash... :thumb_up:

 

[Kash]

Great, how many seeds did you order and which strain? It must be hawaiian strain, the others are inferior and usually pretty weak or inactive. Good way to test the seeds activity is to eat 1 or 2 seeds on an empty stomach and they will produce some definite noticable effects if they are good quality.

 

[j-dead]

i used pre-packaged MGs from a local store. dont plan on wasting time with that anymore. 200 hawaiian strain seeds are on the way and just picked up some peppermint oil today. i love the lsa headspace but the bodyload/nausea is ridiculous. thats why i find this tek so beneficial. i figure i could do more exploration if i wasnt confined to being a magnet to the end of my bed focused on my stomach in knots. however, i guess i can expect a completely different beast if the LSH conversion is true and thats what ends up being consumed.

thanks for the tip. ill try a couple and see it i get jipped or not. save time with wasting materials on bunk seeds, right?

ideally, crunching the numbers to create a high concentrated solution to put on a gummy/blot for administration is where i would like to be at the end of this tek. well see where that leads...

i know that the LSH conversion is still considered theory but is there any harm in adding the peppermint oil at the end of extraction for purposes of blotting? Any particular reasoning being the 20 mins before administering? Something to do with LSH converting back to LSA? So in theory best practice would be to mix the peppermint oil with your high potency LSA solution before dropping on to blotters, break-up between friends and head into the forest shortly after?

i believe it was a post by 69ron saying that he knew someone that knew what he was doing and mixed the aldehydes with LSA for a certain duration as part of the extraction at the end.

ill report back as i plan on experimenting with this in the future.

 

[dg]

agree w/kash sounds like a simple emulsion.
next time try filtering the cloudy nps
you'd be surprised how much a cotton ball in a funnel can clean up a solution's emulsions

 

[Kash]

Nope no harm in adding peppermint oil. I believe the ideal activity level of LSA to be about 2-7mg, so you would have to consume multiple blotters to get effects, but it should work. That is only speculation though, SWIM has never tried. It may oxidize out of solution or may not, not sure the stability of LSA salts.