beatenwarrior
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LSA/LSH blew my mind. Better than LSD
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Wow, very interesting report. Thanks for sharing it.
I had a few LSA experienced back in the day and found it to be kind of heavy on the 'mind blown / time is an illusion' sort of thinking with out a lot of other psychedelic effects. Seeing your report and some other comments on the Nexus about LSH makes me realize I didn't fully explore the possibilities there.
Getting off topic, but I'll just mention that a smaller dose of hbwr seeds with a lesser extraction process combined with mushrooms produced probably the most enjoyable mushroom experience I ever had. Recommended for anyone not really crazy about shrooms.
I had a few LSA experienced back in the day and found it to be kind of heavy on the 'mind blown / time is an illusion' sort of thinking with out a lot of other psychedelic effects. Seeing your report and some other comments on the Nexus about LSH makes me realize I didn't fully explore the possibilities there.
Getting off topic, but I'll just mention that a smaller dose of hbwr seeds with a lesser extraction process combined with mushrooms produced probably the most enjoyable mushroom experience I ever had. Recommended for anyone not really crazy about shrooms.
beatenwarrior
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Rrryan said:
No problem dude
. I've noticed there really isn't a heck of information out there about LSA/LSH so I wanted to shed some light on my experience with it. I currently completed a more pure extraction involving distilling vodka into 95% everclear type vodka myself and then using the vodka as a polar solvent to extract from the crude LSA seed acetone extract. THe point of this was to hopefully eliminate the nausea the crude extract caused. The nausea was so uncomfortable I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Now I Just need to find someone who wants to try the pure extract I made! Lol, I have no interest in trying it. I just want to share my experience with everyone. I feel it can help a lot of people open up their minds and expand their consciousness to help them in life. Unfortunately most of my friends are too afraid to try my concoction 
Parshvik Chintan
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i think the 'better than LSD' in this case has to do with dosage.
5 seeds is a common dose, so 25 seeds per person is quite a large dose, i would be shocked if an equivalent dose of LSD wasn't equally potent.
also i am sure benzyme will be in the thread soon enough to shatter the LSH myth
Awesome experience, however
5 seeds is a common dose, so 25 seeds per person is quite a large dose, i would be shocked if an equivalent dose of LSD wasn't equally potent.
also i am sure benzyme will be in the thread soon enough to shatter the LSH myth
Awesome experience, however
beatenwarrior
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Parshvik Chintan said:i think the 'better than LSD' in this case has to do with dosage.
5 seeds is a common dose, so 25 seeds per person is quite a large dose, i would be shocked if an equivalent dose of LSD wasn't equally potent.
also i am sure benzyme will be in the thread soon enough to shatter the LSH myth
Awesome experience, however
I can see how dose size had a lot to do with it. I have no experience with very large LSD doses so I don't doubt a very similar trip could be achieved. The thing I think that I wanted to point out the most was the visuals. I've heard LSA/LSH has very mild visuals compared to LSD. From what I experienced the visuals were far more intense than those on LSD. I also have to mention dosage aside, I was able to Moderator Edit: No Buy/Sell Talk. In the end this was a LEGAL (I live in a country where LSA is legal) substitute for LSD. Considering the potency I'd prefer this any day over LSD. I'll experiment in the future with more pure extracts and at a lower dose to see if the effects rival those of LSD. At this point I have no doubt that 10-15 seeds worth of pure extract would create astounding visuals as well and considering the legality be much more worth it personally speaking.
expandaneum
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Just a small reminder
And maybe ad your seed supplier to the seed sub forum no need to pm
Which cation? Na2+?
j/k.
the peppermint oil probably didn't convert anything, HBRW contains LSH anyway.
beatenwarrior
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To user "Gone-and-back"
You PMed me the other day, but since I'm a new user it won't let me reply to your pm. Here's what I just wrote you but can't send via PM (also, how long am I stuck being a new user)
Moderator Edit: No Buy/Sell Talk
I'd suggest doing the crude extract I explained in my post, but then add two steps. The next step would be using 50ml of grain alcohol (high proof like everclear) and mixing the crude seed extract into it, then putting it in the freezer for 8+ hours.
Next you would filter out the solids using a coffee filter, and then pour the the alcohol which will have absorbed all the LSA onto a flat bottom dish, put infront of fan and let evaporate. Scrape up the oily stuff you are left with, mix that with 10ml of the same alcohol put into a small vial and dose via that way.
So if you used 100 seeds it makes it SUPER easy to dose. 1 ml of your final solution would be 10 seeds worth.
I'm still waiting on my new seeds to come in, but I'll let you know how the purer extraction goes if you like
You PMed me the other day, but since I'm a new user it won't let me reply to your pm. Here's what I just wrote you but can't send via PM (also, how long am I stuck being a new user
)Moderator Edit: No Buy/Sell Talk
I'd suggest doing the crude extract I explained in my post, but then add two steps. The next step would be using 50ml of grain alcohol (high proof like everclear) and mixing the crude seed extract into it, then putting it in the freezer for 8+ hours.
Next you would filter out the solids using a coffee filter, and then pour the the alcohol which will have absorbed all the LSA onto a flat bottom dish, put infront of fan and let evaporate. Scrape up the oily stuff you are left with, mix that with 10ml of the same alcohol put into a small vial and dose via that way.
So if you used 100 seeds it makes it SUPER easy to dose. 1 ml of your final solution would be 10 seeds worth.
I'm still waiting on my new seeds to come in, but I'll let you know how the purer extraction goes if you like
cubeananda
Interdependent Researcher
Delete this please 
Woodrose seeds are known to be strong..
But 50 woodrose seeds split into two portons? that seems like a large dose?
Just [speaking for myself] I would prefere a less scary and painfull way to acheive this mind state...
Salvia Divinorum is one...LSD 25 is another...mescaline...DMT.....
This could also be acheived with [Datura seeds] but ..[why go through hell]..
just to experiance a little heaven?
Your a very brave explorer ..:thumb_up:
But 50 woodrose seeds split into two portons? that seems like a large dose?
Just [speaking for myself] I would prefere a less scary and painfull way to acheive this mind state...
Salvia Divinorum is one...LSD 25 is another...mescaline...DMT.....
This could also be acheived with [Datura seeds] but ..[why go through hell]..
just to experiance a little heaven?
Your a very brave explorer ..:thumb_up:
Gone-and-Back
Esteemed member
If you can, you should make a post in the seed sub forum like was previously stated. We dont need price, or anything like that since that is not allowed on here. However, mentioning what supplier you got the seeds from and that they are reliable and a good product, is allowed. As long as its in the proper sub forum. Please, read the attitude page.
Also, I already have a process for this extraction. I just wanted to know where you got the seeds, since they seem of very good quality. Again, NO PRICE TALK. Just make a thread regarding the supplier in the seed sub forum. I am sure people would like to get their hands on these quality of seeds.
Also, I already have a process for this extraction. I just wanted to know where you got the seeds, since they seem of very good quality. Again, NO PRICE TALK. Just make a thread regarding the supplier in the seed sub forum. I am sure people would like to get their hands on these quality of seeds.
passnthru2
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I have done large amounts of LSD, I worked at Shell Research Development in '71, I had a friend that worked at Sandoz.. yea that Sandoz. when you take a lot of acid you get 3D 'Patterns' in the air you can walk around them look at the other side, and florescent vines grow everywhere.. the big difference is that everything melts. that is weird, the walls melt, furniture, tables.. you can hold something metal and shake it like a wet rag. look at your hand and it's melting. but it never pools or runs. move to fast and everything strobes multiple images that catch up. it makes playing pool really difficult, the stick will go turn into a piece of rope... don't try this in a biker bar. you hold the stick on the table to shoot and it goes rope and slides off the table, and is hanging down off your right hand the other end laying limp on the floor.. the balls go flat and move like mercury, you can hardly see thru the geometric patterns and the florescent vines are growing everywhere like animated snakes. we also did this at the Masonic Auditorium in San Francisco when the London Philharmonic Orchestra played there. front row center first balcony. the queens sister was there, the governor, generals, admirals. everyone else had a Tux on.. we had down coats and climbing boots on. you could see the music flowing by you in tune to the rhythm, different notes were different colors. Window Pane acid did a lot of melting, but we didn't know at first it was like 8 doses a square, and ours had a couple stuck together when we first tried it. SF was 90 miles away, every week end we tripped to Fillmore West or Winterland or the mountains for about 6-8 years. actually LSD sounds sorta tame compared to DMT. LSD was very electric, but Smooth, it flowed. time was still present. doesn't go with food, taste is blah.
some of our friends called us once to come and drive then home, they couldn't negotiate the 12 foot waves coming down the road at them. we took it a lot hiking in the high Sierra [above 6-8000] we were 70 miles from Yosemite. you could function pretty good on it after some experience. LSD is pretty recreational, very visual, I never had many revelations on it, except for the Rotating spheres. the only time I ever got spooked on it was if we smoked a lot of weed and drank some alcohol with it you could go into a very quiet clear space where you didn't feel stoned at all. what spooked us was that we were very aware how really messed up we were, but it never lasted long.
some of our friends called us once to come and drive then home, they couldn't negotiate the 12 foot waves coming down the road at them. we took it a lot hiking in the high Sierra [above 6-8000] we were 70 miles from Yosemite. you could function pretty good on it after some experience. LSD is pretty recreational, very visual, I never had many revelations on it, except for the Rotating spheres. the only time I ever got spooked on it was if we smoked a lot of weed and drank some alcohol with it you could go into a very quiet clear space where you didn't feel stoned at all. what spooked us was that we were very aware how really messed up we were, but it never lasted long.
Triskelionfractal
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So everyrhing i say is easily not true and possibly never happened.. I was taught secret by a very wise "head" back in the mountains where i was experimenting. At this time i had never even read about anything online or book our community was very entheogen based for a while there hehe.. Anyway i will share a birds personal recipe for the most mind expanding cleanest nausea freee recipe that honestly still surprises me til this day. (Best with HWBR although all of my original tea was "heavenly blue" 
. So first step ditch the coating... Do some research if you dont know what om referring to. Grind or crush mortar and pestle (preferred) put in glass and mix with juice of a fresh lime proportionally 1 lime=8-10hwbr. Use half at first soak for 12 hrs in refridgerator(important!!) then pour off into small glass jar or bottle with lid. Repeat with secon half of lime for another 8 hrs.. Combine everything into glass bottle and alternate shaking and cooling for last two hrs. Prepare duringsoaking= we want to brew or obtain some form of fresh andature peppermint tea. I dont suggest oil because companys are using older mint leaves and the key chemical component is "acetylametelahyde??" Excuse my lack of crossreferencing this is a personal recipe with external input. I purchase a tea from local health food that is 70% organicfrsh peppermint leaf, 27% lemon and lime juice and 3% honey. I cannot stress the importance of fresh peppermint leaf involved. Strain the seed mush out of lime juice and discard seed. Im 90% positive through volunteer test bioessaying that this mush is purely agitatw ones stomach and have no effect at this point. Combine 3:1 peppermint tea:LimeSA juice. This is Key!!!!! A bird was told and shown a reference by hoffman himself that this analogue is indeed possible to create. BUT it is unstable and rapidly converts back to simpler molecules. So after combining gently swirl ad then let stand for 10 minutes then drink within following 5 minutes. Be happy to hear review! Also curious on alternate use of brandy as i was told was common back in 70s when white family doin there thing. Peace!
. So first step ditch the coating... Do some research if you dont know what om referring to. Grind or crush mortar and pestle (preferred) put in glass and mix with juice of a fresh lime proportionally 1 lime=8-10hwbr. Use half at first soak for 12 hrs in refridgerator(important!!) then pour off into small glass jar or bottle with lid. Repeat with secon half of lime for another 8 hrs.. Combine everything into glass bottle and alternate shaking and cooling for last two hrs. Prepare duringsoaking= we want to brew or obtain some form of fresh andature peppermint tea. I dont suggest oil because companys are using older mint leaves and the key chemical component is "acetylametelahyde??" Excuse my lack of crossreferencing this is a personal recipe with external input. I purchase a tea from local health food that is 70% organicfrsh peppermint leaf, 27% lemon and lime juice and 3% honey. I cannot stress the importance of fresh peppermint leaf involved. Strain the seed mush out of lime juice and discard seed. Im 90% positive through volunteer test bioessaying that this mush is purely agitatw ones stomach and have no effect at this point. Combine 3:1 peppermint tea:LimeSA juice. This is Key!!!!! A bird was told and shown a reference by hoffman himself that this analogue is indeed possible to create. BUT it is unstable and rapidly converts back to simpler molecules. So after combining gently swirl ad then let stand for 10 minutes then drink within following 5 minutes. Be happy to hear review! Also curious on alternate use of brandy as i was told was common back in 70s when white family doin there thing. Peace!
locojuiceman
Rising Star
I've had some pretty terrifying but nonetheless insightful experiences on HBRW's myself. The One called '69Ron' is who I got the inspiration to try a different 'recipe' from, aside of just chewing up Rue and Seeds with water and swallowing.
[[More various aldehyde field tests - Standardized:Nature's Herb Forum-More various aldehyde field tests - Standardized ]]
Drink a little Sherry for some aldehyde
15 minutes later swallow some cinnamon [[ I just chewed a few cinnamon sticks .. it works ]] for some cinnamonaldehyde [Sp?]
Then pop the seeds between the gum and cheek, no need to swallow [[ I think the sherry/alcohol preps the gums and makes them able to absorb better, I'm not sure ]]
I've had it hit me ten minutes later like a freight train. I literally dropped to my knee's and begged for my life. I was told that I didn't "Thank 'The Creator' for the seeds and that I just think I can go and trip on them like it's all for the fun,games and what not "
Well, after I finally and successfully begged not to be takenaway [Die?] I'm finally calmed down into a very heavy trip, very euphoric and colorful. I never had LSD compare. LSD is in it's own rank and class I think, seeing as it doesn't occur naturally in the wild.
I then got some of the best 'Philosophy' that I wrote down, which came to me so fast I could barely keep up writing it down...
That trip made me respect HBRW's a lot more than previously.
SO, yeah, HBRW's and ANY Psychedelics shouldn't be taken lightly, that is for sure
[[More various aldehyde field tests - Standardized:Nature's Herb Forum-More various aldehyde field tests - Standardized ]]
Drink a little Sherry for some aldehyde
15 minutes later swallow some cinnamon [[ I just chewed a few cinnamon sticks .. it works ]] for some cinnamonaldehyde [Sp?]
Then pop the seeds between the gum and cheek, no need to swallow [[ I think the sherry/alcohol preps the gums and makes them able to absorb better, I'm not sure ]]
I've had it hit me ten minutes later like a freight train. I literally dropped to my knee's and begged for my life. I was told that I didn't "Thank 'The Creator' for the seeds and that I just think I can go and trip on them like it's all for the fun,games and what not "
Well, after I finally and successfully begged not to be takenaway [Die?] I'm finally calmed down into a very heavy trip, very euphoric and colorful. I never had LSD compare. LSD is in it's own rank and class I think, seeing as it doesn't occur naturally in the wild.
I then got some of the best 'Philosophy' that I wrote down, which came to me so fast I could barely keep up writing it down...
That trip made me respect HBRW's a lot more than previously.
SO, yeah, HBRW's and ANY Psychedelics shouldn't be taken lightly, that is for sure
locojuiceman
Rising Star
Okay just a little. I don't want to 'Derail' the topic off into 'philosophical land' but here a just one thing that was 'Inspired' [[ Inspired comes from 'In Spirit' just so you know ]]
"UNDERSTAND that We DON'T Understand .... Just when We THOUGHT we understood 'Gravity', Man found a way to BEAT IT with Planes and Rockets. " Everything Is Possible for those Who Believe" Mark 9:23 ~ If not so, then BELIEVE that You DON'T BELIEVE and DO Something about it !! " I DO Believe but Help Me Overcome My Disbelief !! " Mark 9:24 Therefore " BELIEF" is more Important than "Understanding". As long as We Believe, then MIRACLES are possible"
So, there you go...some psychedelic inspired writing.
Now back to the topic at hand ha haa!
Peace!
"UNDERSTAND that We DON'T Understand .... Just when We THOUGHT we understood 'Gravity', Man found a way to BEAT IT with Planes and Rockets. " Everything Is Possible for those Who Believe" Mark 9:23 ~ If not so, then BELIEVE that You DON'T BELIEVE and DO Something about it !! " I DO Believe but Help Me Overcome My Disbelief !! " Mark 9:24 Therefore " BELIEF" is more Important than "Understanding". As long as We Believe, then MIRACLES are possible"
So, there you go...some psychedelic inspired writing.
Now back to the topic at hand ha haa!
Peace!
me too. it was church when I was a kid..
then I learned chemistry. I favored it over magic and myths.
then I learned chemistry. I favored it over magic and myths.
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