LSD vs. Psylocibin: does it speak?

[explorer7]

Greetings,

Considering experimentation with LSD.
In different interviews Albert Hoffmann considered it part of the Mexican pantheon of entheogens.
Said that is was a semi-sythetic medicine, not fully synthetic.

Have done many journeys with sacred mushrooms.

With the mushroom medicine there is definitely a feeling of a Higher Intelligence guiding the process.
As McKenna would say, the mushroom speaks!
In every single journey I can feel guided by the sacred mushroom.

Do you think this also the case with LSD?
(specifically with regular to small doses, 100 micrograms.
I don't need much medicine to be fully open.)

Does it have that higher intelligence guiding it?

 

[kajex]

Hmm at a dose of that size, any voices I hear seem to be emanating from my own subconscious(although some might say the mushroom voice does as well). I like the metaphor that says LSD is a microscope for the mind- I rarely feel as if I am communicating with a higher consciousness, but the contents of my mind are amplified. But I've heard others say different things!

Methinks low dose LSD is a great tool if used with therapeutic intention. Good luck if you do decide to experiment! 'Tis a valuable brain food.

 

[explorer7]

K, will definitely be experimenting

Interesting, that you also don't get this ancient guiding energy from LSD.

Wondering if that is because of the medicine itself or because of our particular individual intention before the ceremony???

The one time I took LSD I got the classic buddhist insight that all is consciousness.
I could myself and everything around me made out of this 'pool" of consciousness.

The realization seem very simply, very obvious, and very matter of fact

In fact, I have not one hallucination with LSD.

I think intention is powerful focus point.

 

[X4kk]

I think intention is powerful focus point.

I agree with this %110. When using LSD for the purpose of introspection, I find it very helpful for the purpose of exploring old painful memories, destructive behaviour loops or habits and generally just looking at your inner self objectively without the filter of your ego.

In my personal experience I have found LSD trips to be less "guided", but not less useful because of it. I feel like I can dissect and examine my psyche much easier, although at times still emotionally difficult of course. For myself I would aim for a dose of 200-400ug for this purpose, although I suggest you to proceed with whatever you feel comfortable with. At those doses, I definitely do get OEVs but pay them no attention. As you've stated, intent plays a huge role.

Good luck!

 

[explorer7]

Guys, I know this is a weird question, but here goes

LSD is usually about 10 - 12 hour trip, possibly more. Correct?

WTF to do in all the time?

With Mushrooms, which I am most familiar with, the medicine is taking us on a Journey.
And its 4 -6 hours max
For me the 4 - 6 hours pass light a flash
And at the end i feel STRONG, HEALTH, man like reborn.

Does the LSD also take you on a journey like mushrooms?

Also, do you guys feel renewed or rejuvenated after an LSD trip?

This is definitely the case with Mushrooms, when used for a sacred journey, not for partying.

It is so amazingly rejuvenating! Feel like jumping in now

 

[benzyme]

I rarely have 8 - 12 hrs to devote to something like a psychedelic, but if I did, it would be mescaline.

The days of liberally partaking in LSD are behind me.
Psilocybin, however, will always have my respect and occasional time.

 

[explorer7]

Benz,

Can you share some insights, wisdom about mescaline?
Are you meaning synthetic or from cactus ... i assume you mean synthetic.

I've never tried it.
But now you got me curious.

Would you rate LSD as high as psilocybin in your experiences?

 

[brokenChild]

The universe is intelligent; everything speaks if you know how to listen

 

[xram]

I agree with Kajek and X4kk about LSD. Although I think it is a really great tool and deserves to be in the short list of truly powerful psychedelic medicines, and you should definitely give it a try for yourself (eventually at a slightly higher dose than 100 mics, it's pretty lucid and generally a little easier to control than mushrooms), I rarely feel "guided" in the way that you describe. However, I would say that it sometimes teaches me things that I need to learn - it's just that I feel that I am recognizing these things about myself with the aid of an altered headspace, rather than being "shown" something.

I would second benzyme's recommendation of mescaline, which has become my personal favorite tool. For me it has a more "spiritual" vibe, particularly when taken in "natural" settings. However, in moderate doses (300-500mg), it is just as lucid as acid, which makes it a very versatile substance.

 

[benzyme]

LSD is more complex because of its structure, so it has varying degrees of affinity to different receptors; thus, it exerts some different psychosomatic effects.
psilocybin more closely mimics serotonin. that being said, psilocybin has given me more of a startle. my bad trips on mushrooms were way worse than on LSD. LSD made me feel grandiose at times, psilocybin always wrecked my ego.

the mescaline experience has a certain clarity about it, whereas LSD and, perhaps even more so, psilocybin, may obfuscate what you perceive as reality.

and I mean from the plant teachers.

 

[xram]

I completely agree with everything that benzyme just wrote (particularly about the bad mushroom trips being worse). For me, high doses of mushrooms can be euphoric but are also very confusing, obliterating me in a way that even DMT does not. I can't function in public on them the way that I can, if necessary, with mescaline.

Just to clarify, quickly, I do not believe that any substance is more linked to a "higher power" than another, as I don't believe in a "higher power." However, mescaline does seem to make me feel more deeply connected with the rest of the universe than many other substances. It often feels as if there are interesting synchronicities (we'll say, wouldn't it be cool if it rained now, then it rains out of nowhere twenty minutes later), and it's a feeling that lasts after the trip ends.

With regard to source: It is quite possible to get very pure mescaline from plants, no need for synthetic stuff (though I'm sure that's great too if you have access to it). I've managed pretty good results just washing crude mescaline HCl a few times with anhydrous acetone and IPA, but I've seen others get almost 100% pure crystals with the dual solvent recrystalization tek, which allows you to freeze precipitate mescaline sulfate much as you would DMT out of naptha (albeit with more hassle).

 

[X4kk]

I would say that it sometimes teaches me things that I need to learn - it's just that I feel that I am recognizing these things about myself with the aid of an altered headspace, rather than being "shown" something.

This. The message I was trying to convey, but with more eloquence.

As for the length of the trip. With a dose of that size I would suspect that you feel just a faint whisper of the trip by the 8 hour mark. If you take into the account the 1-2 hour come up (during which, you can read, or think, or meditate or whatever it is you like) then another hour or so to start hitting your peak. After 3 - 5 hours (most likely on the lower side of the spectrum due to dose). After you start getting into the come down you can reflect on what you've learned as your mind begins to get back to normal. Personally, I always find it very difficult to sleep after an LSD trip. So take that into account, and if able take it early in the day.

I don't know about rejuvenated but energy is usually not in short supply and if you've had a meaningful experience, certainly an afterglow.

The talk about Mescaline is very interesting! I am very curious, I live up north where there are no cacti... But my source recently mentioned he was going to try some. I think it will definitely need to be something I try as well. Could mescaline also be used in a more social setting (Ex/ festival)?

 

[thecrystalkid]

i personally found that lsd did not heal like natural psychedelics can.

 

[explorer7]

woah, now you guys got me interested in mescaline.
wasn't expecting that ;-)

Clarity is something i love in sacred journeys ... and one of the reasons I found Ayahuasca not my medicine, too much dizzy, drousy ... think because of the high harmaline contents. SWOM did a month long journey in Peru with Aya, and it was not in any way close to the insights he received at home with 2.2g of Mushrooms.
I definately respect he purging aspect - and don't find that part difficult.
But the overall drowsiness is not for me.

If I want a good cleanse I go for Kambo ... I HIGH recommend this medicine.
5 - 7 dots on either arm.

Now that SWIM thinks about it he had has an unopened pack of 250grams of freeze dried powdered skins of San Pedro/Wauchuma from California.
Is the active compound mescaline?

Never open the package just because SWIM started focusing on growing cubensis - South African, Ban Hua Thai, Palenque.

 

[explorer7]

The universe is intelligent; everything speaks if you know how to listen

Spot on brother!!

 

[explorer7]

LSD is more complex because of its structure, so it has varying degrees of affinity to different receptors; thus, it exerts some different psychosomatic effects.
psilocybin more closely mimics serotonin. that being said, psilocybin has given me more of a startle. my bad trips on mushrooms were way worse than on LSD. LSD made me feel grandiose at times, psilocybin always wrecked my ego.

the mescaline experience has a certain clarity about it, whereas LSD and, perhaps even more so, psilocybin, may obfuscate what you perceive as reality.

and I mean from the plant teachers.

benz, i definitely know what you mean by the startle! :shock:

Man when that cosmic field opens up in the dark of the room ... daaaaam is it awe inspiring.

Definitely feel the mushroom medicine is a portal to the cosmos ... the journey feels cosmic.
SWIM consistently finds (specifically on cubensis)
Cosmic alien archetypes - serpentine
Cosmic portal archetypes
Cosmic spaceship archetypes
Other feels the same way?

Though whats interesting is that consistently I notice the last 40 - 30% of the journey becomes very personal.
With very specific insights and guidances.

Another i notice is that the mushroom medicine when faced, really builds COURAGE.
It's like going through an initiation especially when faced with the cosmic intensity and immensity, and just taking it!

Also, I recommend standing up.
I sit only the first 20 or so minutes for the ramp up.
Then I stand the whole way through ... man its take balls that's all i can say ;-)

Psilocybin has really dehypnotized SWIM from the cultural programming
And always brings a deep appreciation of LIFE!!!
Life is amazing

 

[Cazman043]

Hey man, i have done mushies and lsd a fair few times, and have attempted to align a theory that supports each ones experience. My personal view is that the LSD psychedelic trip is much influenced by technology/created by humans, and as a result, it creates a more futuristic feel to the trip. Its more euphoric and a lot less harsh in its teachings, it still has valuable lessons to be learnt from, but it feels like you have more control over the total outcome as it is more mind than influenced by something beyond you, i sometimes perceive LSD as something that feeds the ego, as you control it, and unless "you are you" then your ego can create a humble ego (personal experience). That being said, great drug, definitely has potential, but personally use it more as a spiritual reward. Mushrooms tend to focus on the roots of who you are as a person, your ego just gets torn apart by these somewhat dark, mysterious entities. It just doesn't sound like you, or feel like you, when your on mushies, until you discover the answer is to accept, and actually practice the idea, the mushroom trip can be very daunting, mysterious and even evil... but you always take away valuable lessons from the mushroom trip. I remember reading something on lolnexus where someone said "theres no good or bad trip, just experiences" its true, and in hardship we learn the most about ourselves, so putting yourself in a darker place in terms of the mushroom experience vs. LSD experience tends to make some sense.

If comparing acid to mushrooms, this is what i once read, and it supports the idea:
If you were in a space ship:
Acid - you are the pilot, and can take the ship to where you want to go
Mushrooms - you are the passenger and in for ride which cannot be controlled, and an unknown destination.

 

[Global]

All I'm going to say is that some quite colorful and brash characters can emerge from an LSD experience.

 

[explorer7]

All I'm going to say is that some quite colorful and brash characters can emerge from an LSD experience.

Global, brother now you got me curious ... ???

Intrigued!

SWIM is thinking of doing his dose at night, starting at 7pm, closed room.

Does this matter in terms of visions with LSD?

I've read on nexus many people don't get any visions on LSD ... is that the rule or the exception with the LSD medicine?

 

[explorer7]

Hey man, i have done mushies and lsd a fair few times, and have attempted to align a theory that supports each ones experience. My personal view is that the LSD psychedelic trip is much influenced by technology/created by humans, and as a result, it creates a more futuristic feel to the trip. Its more euphoric and a lot less harsh in its teachings, it still has valuable lessons to be learnt from, but it feels like you have more control over the total outcome as it is more mind than influenced by something beyond you, i sometimes perceive LSD as something that feeds the ego, as you control it, and unless "you are you" then your ego can create a humble ego (personal experience). That being said, great drug, definitely has potential, but personally use it more as a spiritual reward. Mushrooms tend to focus on the roots of who you are as a person, your ego just gets torn apart by these somewhat dark, mysterious entities. It just doesn't sound like you, or feel like you, when your on mushies, until you discover the answer is to accept, and actually practice the idea, the mushroom trip can be very daunting, mysterious and even evil... but you always take away valuable lessons from the mushroom trip. I remember reading something on lolnexus where someone said "theres no good or bad trip, just experiences" its true, and in hardship we learn the most about ourselves, so putting yourself in a darker place in terms of the mushroom experience vs. LSD experience tends to make some sense.

If comparing acid to mushrooms, this is what i once read, and it supports the idea:
If you were in a space ship:
Acid - you are the pilot, and can take the ship to where you want to go
Mushrooms - you are the passenger and in for ride which cannot be controlled, and an unknown destination.

Hey brother,

futuristic trip on LSD ... sounds interesting.
Do you see futuristic visions on it ... or it's more of an atmosphere, mood about it?