LSD vs. Psylocibin: does it speak?

[InLaKesh]

For me LSD is mostly about surrenderin to the now.
In the beginning it amplifys my thought process and ego until i cant hold on and arrive in the now,
Especially with a nice puff of the green and the right music and dancing withe the right SET(yes, the intention is everything with acid) and Setting, even a small dose like 50 mic is quite powerfull spiritual to me (after over a decade of conditioning...)

bum

 

[explorer7]

For me LSD is mostly about surrenderin to the now.
In the beginning it amplifys my thought process and ego until i cant hold on and arrive in the now,
Especially with a nice puff of the green and the right music and dancing withe the right SET(yes, the intention is everything with acid) and Setting, even a small dose like 50 mic is quite powerfull spiritual to me (after over a decade of conditioning...)

bum

brother, thanks for the advice.
I will DEFINITELY be trying the small dose and report back !

 

[xram]

Could mescaline also be used in a more social setting (Ex/ festival)?

I took ~310 mg at a festival and had an excellent time after a brief period of come-up discomfort and purging in a port-a-john (if you prefer not to purge, you can put it in gel caps and have a few drops of lemon essential oil in some lemonade, which will almost completely take care of the nausea). I met some interesting people from the NRDC while waiting in line forever for food and had a nice discussion with them about capitalism, imperialism, and climate change (and, separately, 90s indy rock). I generally had no trouble at all interacting with folks - I find that at that dose range, it's similar to MDMA in terms of how it opens me up, but it's obviously more psychedelic. The CEVs during the Built to Spill set (combined with the fact that Doug Martsch is a genius) sent me somewhere far away.

 

[xram]

Now that SWIM thinks about it he had has an unopened pack of 250grams of freeze dried powdered skins of San Pedro/Wauchuma from California.
Is the active compound mescaline?

Yes. If you got decent skins they should have a mescaline content of around 1% dry weight - so a rough guess would be that you have about 2.5 grams worth of material. If you don't wish to go through the trouble of doing an extraction, you can make a tea with it. If you go that route, the trip will be a bit different from pure mescaline, and different in different ways depending on which cactus you have and the other alkaloids present in it. San Pedro tends to be a bit dreamier and more sedative than pure mescaline, while achuma/bridgesii (I am told) is more intense by weight. Peruvian Torch seems to be the closest to pure mescaline, IME.

 

[explorer7]

Now that SWIM thinks about it he had has an unopened pack of 250grams of freeze dried powdered skins of San Pedro/Wauchuma from California.
Is the active compound mescaline?

Yes. If you got decent skins they should have a mescaline content of around 1% dry weight - so a rough guess would be that you have about 2.5 grams worth of material. If you don't wish to go through the trouble of doing an extraction, you can make a tea with it. If you go that route, the trip will be a bit different from pure mescaline, and different in different ways depending on which cactus you have and the other alkaloids present in it. San Pedro tends to be a bit dreamier and more sedative than pure mescaline, while achuma/bridgesii (I am told) is more intense by weight. Peruvian Torch seems to be the closest to pure mescaline, IME.

X, man thanks for your advice.
I have no idea what the dosing for the powdered San Pedro is, thanks for that.

I think SWIM can find some pure mescaline ... do you suggest it over the San Pedro powder?

I read in nexus some people saying that pure mescaline or good quality is impossible to find and very rare.

 

[xram]

No problem. The dosing for pedro tea is a little bit difficult, as the potency varies fairly widely. I'd guess that a good individual starting dose, depending on your particular sensitivity to psychs, would be tea made from about 30-35 grams of dried material (so, hopefully, about 300-350mg of mescaline). However, that's just a guess. There's really no way to know how much mescaline you have in there for sure until you do an extraction. For me, it's worth the hassle of extracting to know how much I'm getting (also, gelcaps are more portable and much less gross than the tea). So if you have any chemistry prowess at all (it's not much harder than extracting DMT), my advice would be to read up a bit on teks and then make it yourself. It's rewarding. I can provide links if you're interested.

If you're thinking about taking some from another source, I'd make QUITE sure that it is really mescaline first (it's rare). Honestly, if you don't know the person who synthesized or extracted it, it is probably going to be a) fake or b) insanely expensive. It's just not a profitable drug to produce for sale. Note that lots of RCs (like DOB, which lasts for goddamn EVER) are sold as mescaline in the form of microdots or pressed pills. A proper dose of mescaline is significantly larger than would fit in an e-sized tablet, so if someone offers you something tiny like that labelled as mescaline, don't bite.

 

[jdmnynja]

I personally find LSD to link to mushrooms in that they both come from a fungus- LSD being ergot, but I don't find the trips similar at all. LSD has always been for me less visually stimulating as it is mentally and physically. I've always felt that LSD takes the blinders off, but makes me very immersed in what is going on and slightly confused. It makes the world lighter or darker, depending on the mood and setting. It's a very open substance I feel like, taking in everything for what it is and showing that to you without any inhibitions. Mushrooms I always feel taken aback. They're always very visual for me and sedating. They put me into a trance that guides me through my thoughts for hours at a time, almost dream like or sleeping. I can turn on music and lay back with my eyes closed comfortably for hours at a time on a heavy dose. I've learned that lighter doses or not taking them with preparation has proven to send me down a bad road every time. A good amount and a nice quite comfort zone for 4 to 6 hours has always done good. LSD has always been more of a social psychedelic for me. Mushrooms not so much. I can take LSD and still go about my day, just my day has a little bit of a twist. I still can make decisions, think, and do things- just maybe not the same as I normally would. For the better or worse at times, it opens me up to more options that my mind wouldn't have given me. I stay more creative and attune to things, generally happier as well with less problems. I've taken both a multitude of times and I would say that this is pretty much the result every time for me as far as the general feel of the two. I believe they don't have much of a relation into the field of spirituality though- I don't think LSD is a very (hyper-space) spiritual substance, where as Mushroom are generally very multi-versal and spiritual. LSD can get your mind opened up for the mushrooms, the mushrooms get your spirit ready to the universe that DMT will send you too.

 

[explorer7]

No problem. The dosing for pedro tea is a little bit difficult, as the potency varies fairly widely. I'd guess that a good individual starting dose, depending on your particular sensitivity to psychs, would be tea made from about 30-35 grams of dried material (so, hopefully, about 300-350mg of mescaline). However, that's just a guess. There's really no way to know how much mescaline you have in there for sure until you do an extraction. For me, it's worth the hassle of extracting to know how much I'm getting (also, gelcaps are more portable and much less gross than the tea). So if you have any chemistry prowess at all (it's not much harder than extracting DMT), my advice would be to read up a bit on teks and then make it yourself. It's rewarding. I can provide links if you're interested.

If you're thinking about taking some from another source, I'd make QUITE sure that it is really mescaline first (it's rare). Honestly, if you don't know the person who synthesized or extracted it, it is probably going to be a) fake or b) insanely expensive. It's just not a profitable drug to produce for sale. Note that lots of RCs (like DOB, which lasts for goddamn EVER) are sold as mescaline in the form of microdots or pressed pills. A proper dose of mescaline is significantly larger than would fit in an e-sized tablet, so if someone offers you something tiny like that labelled as mescaline, don't bite.

Brother, thanks for the advice!!
Man I have no chemistry prowess :/ so will have to go for the tea.
I heard of people eating the powder raw, say with a banana ... what do you think of that?

SWIM will definitely not be being tablets labelled as mescaline hehe!

 

[explorer7]

jdmnynja, thanks for the info.

mushrooms are definitely a cosmic boost!
and maaaaan, when they come on ... woooah! it is a mightly and strong forces!
bro, i can never relax with mushrooms ... it feels like an initiation each time

I haven't tried DMT, but don't think i will.
The ramp up I've heard is INSANELY fast, almost terrifying.

SWIM did 5meo-DMT once, and thought every cell of his physical body was going to explode and he'd never come back alive! SWIM was so fucking unprepared for that! SWIM has holding on for dear LIFE!
SWIM honestly though he was gonna be mentally and psychologically damaged for life.
And I hear smoke DMT is equally as fast in the ramp up.
Fuck it ... not for me

Anyone else experience this on 5meo? Fuuuuuuuuck was that crazy intense!

 

[Randomness]

Brother, thanks for the advice!!
Man I have no chemistry prowess :/ so will have to go for the tea.
I heard of people eating the powder raw, say with a banana ... what do you think of that?

SWIM will definitely not be being tablets labelled as mescaline hehe!

I have eaten the powder along with 3 g ground up rue seeds (it is not recommended to try this as could be dangerous) and I must say the taste was bad. I only had 33g of the cactus but even that seemed a lot. Reminded me of paracetamol a bit. Great trip but you gotta be prepared to munch a lot of powder. I would extract if I did it again as I would imagine the tea would taste pretty rough as well.

 

[explorer7]

Random, thanks for the advice!

fuuuuuuck, now i gotta learn chemistry :d

if the San P is anything like the aya i had in Peru, fuckin-a that will be hard to swallow !

 

[SpartanII]

Both are great potential teachers/healers, but I prefer LSD over mushrooms.

With mushrooms I tend to experience more fear and get caught in "thought loops".

Dose for dose, LSD seems more controllable and gentler on my psyche. Introspection is easier and I've learned a lot about my mind/body relationships and social interaction.

I also feel emotionally rejuvenated as the LSD trip wears off, where on mushrooms I feel like my mind has been put through a blender.

 

[xram]

I'm with SpartanII. One of the most unnerving things about the "bad" mushroom trip I had (besides my friends' speech sounding like rocks grating together) was the infinite thought loops I got stuck in. That's not to malign mushrooms - some of the most insane visuals even happened on that same trip before it went south. And the bizarreness / insanity of mushrooms can also be hilarious. Still, I've not done mushrooms in a long time, since I just prefer LSD and mescaline these days and haven't felt the need to reintroduce mushrooms into the rotation. I'm sure that I'll feel called to return to them at some point, though.

The first time I tried San Pedro I ate the powder, but it's very difficult to get that much down (it tastes horrible, much worse than mushrooms and, I hear, maybe worse than aya). The tea takes a little while to prepare, but you can reduce it down enough that you can hold your nose, knock it back in a few gulps, and then chase it with something else.

 

[explorer7]

X, bro what did you mean by reducing the tea?

I imagine boiling some hot water, and plunging in the grams of San P in there, and then drinking the whole thing.

Do you think that'll work?

 

[xram]

Reducing just means making it more concentrated by evaporating off some of the volume. I'll run you through the basic process, though you may want to do a quick search for a particular tek.

Let's say you want to make two moderate doses to test the waters with a friend. You could then take 70 grams of your material and put it in a pot with about 700ml of water (this can vary) and a dash of lemon juice. You bring the water to a boil, then turn it down so that it's simmering and let it do so for 2-3 hours (if too much water boils off in this process, you can add some more). You then pour the liquid (which will constitute your tea) off into a separate vessel, and repeat at least 2 more times. Once the last simmer is complete, use a cheese cloth and squeeze out the liquid from the cactus pulp to make sure you get all the goodies. You can then discard the actual cactus flesh, and will be left with your active tea. This tea can then itself be boiled down to get it to a more drinkable amount.

Hope that helps. I've only done the tea method twice, so perhaps others will be able to chime in with their suggestions.

 

[explorer7]

X,

this is brilliant, thanks man.
did you get good journey's with the tea version?

 

[xram]

Yes, it was definitely active and enjoyable. The main reasons I generally prefer the extract are that I know exactly how much I'm getting, and I don't have to deal with the taste of the tea. I also enjoy the pride in craftsmanship I feel when I can finally collect the extract.

However, people have likely been using the tea method for millennia, and you get the full "spirit" of the plant that way, so it's a very good option. You will have more nausea this way as well compared to the extract, but I've actually come to appreciate the purge, and feel that my trips without it sometimes lack something intangible (I feel a little "heavier" throughout). But, if you want to try and settle your stomach, ginger-peppermint tea and lemon essential oil help with seratonogenic nausea.

If your material turns out to not be very strong, you and your friend will just have a mild but good time, and you'll still have plenty of cactus left to try again and up the dose. Enjoy, and let us know how it goes.

 

[explorer7]

will have to do the tea tek!

and will report!

Before that SWIM will report of LSD journey ... seems like the eagle may land with good quality L ;-)

 

[Cazman043]

If comparing acid to mushrooms, this is what i once read, and it supports the idea:
If you were in a space ship:
Acid - you are the pilot, and can take the ship to where you want to go
Mushrooms - you are the passenger and in for ride which cannot be controlled, and an unknown destination.[/quote]


Hey brother,

futuristic trip on LSD ... sounds interesting.
Do you see futuristic visions on it ... or it's more of an atmosphere, mood about it?
[/quote]

Both... the futuristic vibe tends to be a lot more evident on LSD, as well as entering a more "space like" atmosphere... I find mushrooms to induce me in a more natural vibe, more to the roots and foundations of earth/ego rather than beyond it. LSD can take me beyond the ego, looking past it so that i only see the positive in me... so it tends to be for me, more euphoric than mushrooms, but less to learn when observing the ego itself.

 

[sleepypelican]

All I'm going to say is that some quite colorful and brash characters can emerge from an LSD experience.

so true...i'm one of em