Make 10x caapi leaves with 5:1 caapi liqud extract and changa

[LetSoulsDevour]

Hi, I just ordered some changa making stuff from Maya Ethnobotanicals.
I ordered:

5 g Nymphaea caerulea - flower (3) cut - Blue Lotus
20 ml Banisteriopsis caapi - *Cielo* vine (1) liquid extract 5:1
50 g Turnera aphrodisiaca - leaves (2) cut - Damiana
50 g Banisteriopsis caapi - *White* leaves (4
25 g Diplopterys cabrerana - leaves (8) - Chaliponga

I was thinking about making 2 types of changa with both having mainly caapi because of its MAOI effect and then mix in blue lotus, damiana or chaliponga, I've not decided yet how I will do the mix. First and foremost, is there any mix in my leaves that you do not recommend for some reason? Please tell in that case.

The plan is to make 10x caapi leaves from from 5:1 Caapi vine liquid extract, the information on the liquid extract is this:
Liquid Ayahuasca 5:1 extract, made from *Cielo* vines from Peru. 50 kilos dried vine was used to produce 10 liters of this brew. 20 ml brew contains 100 gram vine. Brewed by a friend in the jungle near Iquitos, Peru according to our own recipe. 10% pure 98% alcohol was added to the brew to prevent fermentation.
Highly reccommended. We have a limited and infrequent supply of this brew.

So, 2ml of liqud equals 10g of vine, can I drop 2 ml of the vine extract into 25ml of Isopropyl Alcohol, mix it a little, and then have the caapi leaves into the solvent, mix it nicely and let it evap? Will the leaves suck up the vine extract and become 10x caapi leaves? If so, do you recommend making higher extracts of caapi leaves to have in your changa like 20x or 30x and what are the effects on that?

If the proposed 10x caapi leaves extract works, is it even possible to completely skip the step to make 10x caapi leaves and simply drop 2 ml of solvent into for instance 1g of spice:500mg blue lotus and 500mg chaliponga? Is the caapi liquid going to be sucked up by the other leaves and if so, what do you recommend, skip the 10x caapi leaves or not?

 

[LetSoulsDevour]

Bumping the topic in hope for some answers from you guys, and while I'm at it I have another question..
Is it ok to use heptane to make 10x extract of whatever leaf? It is pure heptane.

 

[LetSoulsDevour]

Ok so SWIM decided to try out the method suggested above. He took 10g of caapi leaves and grinded them a bit. Then he poured 150ml of IPA into the leaves
so that everything was covered with IPA. Then he swirled it around for 1-2 minutes. After that SWIM took 20ml of caapi vine liquid extract and poured it into
the solvent and swirled it around for a couple of minutes. 20ml of caapi liquid exract equals 100g of caapi vine. That means SWIM should have 10g of caapi leaves
where 1g of caapi leave will have 10g of caapi vine in it. Now he is just waiting for the IPA to evaporate so he can make his first changa!

Of course, there is no guarantee that this will work because SWIM have not found any info about if SWIY have tried this but he thought he will give it a
shot and hope for the best. But practicly, this should work he thinks.
Any comments or questions about the method or anything else is gladly welcomed.

 

[Dorge]

hmmmm im not sure on your logic here.
first off, evaping ayahausca that is in water is going to take a long time and give a harder product to smoke.
will this work the way you have done it? it might, try it. but its kinda convoluted. you need to work with non-water extracts. in my preference ethanol extracts of either vine or leaf. thats your base, thats what you work with.

 

[LetSoulsDevour]

hmmmm im not sure on your logic here.
first off, evaping ayahausca that is in water is going to take a long time and give a harder product to smoke.
will this work the way you have done it? it might, try it. but its kinda convoluted. you need to work with non-water extracts. in my preference ethanol extracts of either vine or leaf. thats your base, thats what you work with.

To be honest, SWIM was not sure either on how he reasoned, but something like this; since the brew/liquid is only 20ml, contains 10% of alcohol, then there is only a little amount of water in it. And he also thought that because he has the GVG it wouldn't be so harsh to smoke so he could stand it. Or is it going to be
a big difference in how harsh the smoke is? unfortunately where SWIM lives over 96% ethanol is only sold if you have medical prescription and since he does not have it that is not an option.. However, when he mixed the brew with the leaves and IPA he noticed how the leaves got dark green and almost brown so the extract must have been mixed up with the leaves. He just took a look on it right now and the solvent had evaporated ~1cm from a bowl of 15cm diameter since I last posted.

 

[Make Shift]

hmmmm im not sure on your logic here.
first off, evaping ayahausca that is in water is going to take a long time and give a harder product to smoke.
will this work the way you have done it? it might, try it. but its kinda convoluted. you need to work with non-water extracts. in my preference ethanol extracts of either vine or leaf. thats your base, thats what you work with.

As for changa, is it better to use enriched caapi leaves or by extracting the harmala alkaloids and then dissolving it in IPA/Ethyl Alcohol with spice and then adding 1 gram of leaves into the alcohol and letting it dry ?

And when it comes to enriching caapi, is it better to soak the caapi leaves in IPA/Ethyl Alcohol for a month and strain the alcohol over 1 gram of caapi leaf ( to get alkaloids extracted from 10 gram caapi onto 1 gram leaf ....or is boiling 10 gram caapi leaves in water followed by reducing that quantity and finally adding that water into 1 gram leaf ?