Seeking Advice: 18yo from China, 10+ Sessions with ACRB (Capsules) but Zero Visuals

[MinorElegy]

Hi everyone, I’m an 18-year-old seeker from China. I’ve had about 10 experiences with Acacia confusa (ACRB) now, but I’m struggling with a complete lack of visuals. I’m hoping to get some insight from the community.

My Experience & Dosage:

• Method: Oral intake via capsules (Pharmahuasca style), using Syrian Rue as my MAOI.
• Dosage: 8 sessions with 2g of ACRB powder, and 2 sessions with 0.6g of resin (roughly equivalent to 4g of bark).
• The Result: Every time, my mind is flooded with intense thoughts and abstract ideas, but I get zero actual visuals. It’s entirely cognitive. Even with an eye mask and music, it feels like everything is happening "in my head" rather than "in front of my eyes."

The One Exception:I’ve only had a tiny glimpse of visuals once—a very small, bright yellow geometric pattern that lasted for about a second. However, I got startled by it, and it vanished instantly. Since then, no matter what I try, I can't get that visual element back.

Source & Extraction:I’ve sourced my bark from two different vendors, so I don't think it's a quality issue. I have successfully performed chemical extractions before, but the problem is Route of Administration (ROA). In China, it's very difficult to find proper smoking gear, and I find setting up complex e-mesh rigs too troublesome, which is why I've stuck to the capsule method.

My Questions:

1. Pre-trip Prep: Are there specific preparations (diet, fasting, or meditation) that could help "unlock" or stabilize visuals for oral intake?
2. Mental Block: Could the fact that I got "scared" that one time be creating a subconscious block? How do I move past this?
3. Age & Chemistry: Could my age (18) or personal brain chemistry be a factor in why the experience is purely cognitive and not visual?
4. Visuals vs. Imagination: To clarify, I do not have Aphantasia. I can easily imagine images in my mind when I close my eyes. But during the trip, it remains as "internal imagination" rather than the "vivid externalized visuals" commonly described. Is this common?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

 

[blig-blug]

Hi @Remy080124 , welcome to the Nexus!

What is your dose of Syrian rue? It may not be enough. Also, are you taking it at the same time as ACRB, or before?

You can always take a second DMT dose once your first dose is coming down. That second dose should have much stronger effects.

I would recommend fasting for at least a few hours before. I usually fast for 48 hours, but 24 should be more than enough.

For smoking, you can also look into making vape juice, or into changa.

Also, it's entirely possible to just not get many visual effects. But it's better to make sure that all other variables are correct before assuming that.

 

[MinorElegy]

Hi @Remy080124 , welcome to the Nexus!

What is your dose of Syrian rue? It may not be enough. Also, are you taking it at the same time as ACRB, or before?

You can always take a second DMT dose once your first dose is coming down. That second dose should have much stronger effects.

I would recommend fasting for at least a few hours before. I usually fast for 48 hours, but 24 should be more than enough.

For smoking, you can also look into making vape juice, or into changa.

Also, it's entirely possible to just not get many visual effects. But it's better to make sure that all other variables are correct before assuming that.

1. My Syrian Rue dosage is the same as my bark powder (2g). I take the DMT capsule 40 minutes after taking the Syrian Rue.
2. Thank you so much for the advice! I will definitely give the "second dose" method a try.
3. Usually, I have dinner the night before, skip breakfast, and then take the Syrian Rue at 10 AM. I will try a longer fast next time to see if it improves the results.
4. I’ll look into Changa. The main issue is that even basic vaping gear is heavily restricted and hard to buy in China now, so I really need to find a more accessible way to smoke it.

 

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My Syrian Rue dosage is the same as my bark powder (2g).

I would try to increase it to 3g, at least. 2g may not be enough.
I don't have personal experience with ACRB, so others (paging @northape , @dithyramb ) will advise you better about it. But still, the ACRB dose may be low too, given that it's less potent than MHRB, and 2g MHRB would not be too high of a dose.

If you are going to experiment with higher doses, experiment first raising the Syrian rue dose, and only later the ACRB dose. Increasing both at once runs the risk of getting an overwhelming experience.

Usually, I have dinner the night before, skip breakfast, and then take the Syrian Rue at 10 AM

That should be enough time, but yes, maybe experiment with a longer fast to see if it helps. It depends a lot on people. Some people actually need to eat some food when taking pharma for it to hit more reliably. But it seems that you are getting an effect, just not a very strong effect (unless it's not visual but very strong still).

I’ll look into Changa. The main issue is that even basic vaping gear is heavily restricted and hard to buy in China now, so I really need to find a more accessible way to smoke it.

Changa is just smoked in a normal pipe, or as if it were a cigarette. So it could be a good way.

I personally have found pharmahuasca very valuable, so I encourage you to keep experimenting with it. When I started taking pharma/ayahuasca, at the beginning of this year, I was having similar issues. What I did was to increase doses slowly, getting to know each dosage level.

 

[blig-blug]

Also, a note on this:

But during the trip, it remains as "internal imagination" rather than the "vivid externalized visuals" commonly described. Is this common?

Yes, it's common. You can get both that and visuals, or only one or the other. If you feel like you have to do some kind of effort to see those internal images better, it's a sign that the dose is low. With higher doses, that effect becomes very effortless and immersive, and it doesn't feel like imagination anymore.

 

[MinorElegy]

I would try to increase it to 3g, at least. 2g may not be enough.
I don't have personal experience with ACRB, so others (paging @northape , @dithyramb ) will advise you better about it. But still, the ACRB dose may be low too, given that it's less potent than MHRB, and 2g MHRB would not be too high of a dose.

If you are going to experiment with higher doses, experiment first raising the Syrian rue dose, and only later the ACRB dose. Increasing both at once runs the risk of getting an overwhelming experience.


That should be enough time, but yes, maybe experiment with a longer fast to see if it helps. It depends a lot on people. Some people actually need to eat some food when taking pharma for it to hit more reliably. But it seems that you are getting an effect, just not a very strong effect (unless it's not visual but very strong still).


Changa is just smoked in a normal pipe, or as if it were a cigarette. So it could be a good way.

I personally have found pharmahuasca very valuable, so I encourage you to keep experimenting with it. When I started taking pharma/ayahuasca, at the beginning of this year, I was having similar issues. What I did was to increase doses slowly, getting to know each dosage level.

thanks a lot!

 

[northape]

• Method: Oral intake via capsules (Pharmahuasca style), using Syrian Rue as my MAOI.

Do you use capsules for rue too?

• Dosage: 8 sessions with 2g of ACRB powder, and 2 sessions with 0.6g of resin (roughly equivalent to 4g of bark).

It depends on how much rue you ingested and what kind of ACRB you use. Two grams of rue could do it if you have some potent seeds that you harvested and tested yourself. Otherwise, 3–4g would give you a better result. Bark powder slows digestion, as do capsules. Just make rue tea and acacia tea for your experiments. It will be easier on the body and will provide a more seamless journey.

• The Result: Every time, my mind is flooded with intense thoughts and abstract ideas, but I get zero actual visuals. It’s entirely cognitive. Even with an eye mask and music, it feels like everything is happening "in my head" rather than "in front of my eyes."

So something is working. Visuals are overrated and it should not be your aim. But I get you, and your desire to see stuff.

1. Pre-trip Prep: Are there specific preparations (diet, fasting, or meditation) that could help "unlock" or stabilize visuals for oral intake?

All of them will help. Meditation is a good skill that will help you navigate your experience and get the most out of it. Fasting and a clean diet will purify you and allow you to go deeper.

1. Mental Block: Could the fact that I got "scared" that one time be creating a subconscious block? How do I move past this?

Not likely at all. You need a really horrendous experience for that kind of block.

1. Age & Chemistry: Could my age (18) or personal brain chemistry be a factor in why the experience is purely cognitive and not visual?

Not likely. Yes, your brain is still developing until like 28, but it's mostly frontal parts. People start to drink in Amazon at 8 and see lots of stuff.

1. Visuals vs. Imagination: To clarify, I do not have Aphantasia. I can easily imagine images in my mind when I close my eyes. But during the trip, it remains as "internal imagination" rather than the "vivid externalized visuals" commonly described. Is this common?

So, it's a matter of right preparation and plants. Barks are the least visual of them all, especially Acacia. You're working with a plant, so the ratio of DMT to NMT will differ.

Chaliponga, Chacruna, mushrooms, or vaped DMT would give you visions more readily. I was getting lots of visuals from Acacia in the beginning, but many years later I see almost nothing. It opened other doors, but certainly not visual ones. I think that barks actually dull visions long-term.

To summarize:

1. Skip capsules and cook a tea for each plant (30ml water at pH6 per 1g of dry material, boil hard, filter, reduce to a drinking amount).
2. Use 3–4g of rue seeds per dose.
3. Make a tea of 5g of acacia and drink half 30 minutes after the rue; redose if needed.
4. Try to work with rue by itself to learn its effects and the proper dose for yourself.

Acacia is more about emotions and heart-opening, but you should see at least something. Aya and its analogs are all about caapi or rue, and it is the force behind the experience. Visuals are there to allow you to get the message more easily and penetrate deeper. Do not focus just on them, and everything will come your way. Keep going. Slow and steady wins the race.

 

[MinorElegy]

Do you use capsules for rue too?

It depends on how much rue you ingested and what kind of ACRB you use. Two grams of rue could do it if you have some potent seeds that you harvested and tested yourself. Otherwise, 3–4g would give you a better result. Bark powder slows digestion, as do capsules. Just make rue tea and acacia tea for your experiments. It will be easier on the body and will provide a more seamless journey.

So something is working. Visuals are overrated and it should not be your aim. But I get you, and your desire to see stuff.

All of them will help. Meditation is a good skill that will help you navigate your experience and get the most out of it. Fasting and a clean diet will purify you and allow you to go deeper.

Not likely at all. You need a really horrendous experience for that kind of block.

Not likely. Yes, your brain is still developing until like 28, but it's mostly frontal parts. People start to drink in Amazon at 8 and see lots of stuff.

So, it's a matter of right preparation and plants. Barks are the least visual of them all, especially Acacia. You're working with a plant, so the ratio of DMT to NMT will differ.

Chaliponga, Chacruna, mushrooms, or vaped DMT would give you visions more readily. I was getting lots of visuals from Acacia in the beginning, but many years later I see almost nothing. It opened other doors, but certainly not visual ones. I think that barks actually dull visions long-term.

To summarize:

1. Skip capsules and cook a tea for each plant (30ml water at pH6 per 1g of dry material, boil hard, filter, reduce to a drinking amount).
2. Use 3–4g of rue seeds per dose.
3. Make a tea of 5g of acacia and drink half 30 minutes after the rue; redose if needed.
4. Try to work with rue by itself to learn its effects and the proper dose for yourself.

Acacia is more about emotions and heart-opening, but you should see at least something. Aya and its analogs are all about caapi or rue, and it is the force behind the experience. Visuals are there to allow you to get the message more easily and penetrate deeper. Do not focus just on them, and everything will come your way. Keep going. Slow and steady wins the race.

Hi @northape, thank you so much for the detailed breakdown!

To answer your question: Yes, I was using capsules for the Syrian Rue as well. I now realize that capsules and raw bark powder were likely slowing down my digestion too much for the DMT to hit a visual threshold.

I have an update: I just purchased a Dry Herb Vaporizer (ANIX Taurus) to try a different ROA, as I currently have some Resin extract left. I tried to upload a photo of the device, but for some reason, the link wouldn't load. I plan to use the "Sandwich Method" inside the ceramic chamber—layering the resin between dried mint leaves to prevent leakage and ensure even heating.

I have two quick questions regarding this new plan:

1. Since you mentioned Acacia is more about emotions/heart-opening, do you think vaporizing the resin will provide a more immediate "visual punch" compared to the slow-release nature of capsules?
2. I’m planning to set the device to 180°C. For ACRB resin, does this temperature sound right to you, or should I go higher?

I will also keep your tea recipe in mind for my next oral session. I really appreciate your perspective—it helps me manage my expectations and focus more on the internal journey. Slow and steady wins the race!

 

[northape]

To answer your question: Yes, I was using capsules for the Syrian Rue as well. I now realize that capsules and raw bark powder were likely slowing down my digestion too much for the DMT to hit a visual threshold.

Most likely it was the case.

I tried to upload a photo of the device, but for some reason, the link wouldn't load.

I plan to use the "Sandwich Method" inside the ceramic chamber—layering the resin between dried mint leaves to prevent leakage and ensure even heating.

I am not very experienced with changa, but I think you can dissolve your resin in isopropanol or acetone and infuse your dry herbs.

1. Since you mentioned Acacia is more about emotions/heart-opening, do you think vaporizing the resin will provide a more immediate "visual punch" compared to the slow-release nature of capsules?

Yes.

1. I’m planning to set the device to 180°C. For ACRB resin, does this temperature sound right to you, or should I go higher?

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[MinorElegy]

Most likely it was the case.

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I am not very experienced with changa, but I think you can dissolve your resin in isopropanol or acetone and infuse your dry herbs.

Yes.

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